Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Magnetic Curses]

 

They now have 11 OL. They don't need 11 OL. They have Marshall and Jeffrey, and then Bennett and TBD at WR. They have Bennett and the rotating circus of failure at TE. So like I said, when Bennett or Jeffrey break again, who picks up the slack and helps out Marshall?

 

I don't see how a couple OG/OT project-ish guys is helping Cutler.

 

I don't really have an issue with going for quantity at OL and then seeing who they can coach up and picking the best 5. It has to improve the line.

 

If your issue is who the 4th and 5th WR are, fine, I guess. I'm not all that worried that they won't be able to find somebody to stick there.

 

TE could use some more depth, for sure.

 

I look at it like this: if you have multiple weapons on offense who are able to make plays, your line doesn't have to hold the defense at bay for 6 seconds per play. I guess they're looking at it as though they can just toss as many guys into the mix as possible and find 8 good ones, but even if they field an above average line, you still need playmakers.

 

They're essentially going into 2013 with the same cast of playmakers that wasn't good enough last year.

 

Martellus Bennett is a huuuuuge upgrade over Droppy Mcgee in both blocking and receiving. He gives us more of the middle of the field. And healthy Alshon is a huuuuge upgrade over injured Alshon, because we can't assume injuries to any player.

 

Marshall, Jeffery, E. Bennett, M. Bennett, and Forte is a pretty nice cast of pass-catchers. If cutler can't work with them, it's not going to work for him ever. And you guys know how much I love Jay.

Edited April 27, 2013 by Stannis

[cubbyvirus00]

The meatballs in this thread are way too spicy for me. Gives me heartburn.

 

Give me a break with this nonsense. People are well within their rights to look at a draft where they reached on their 1st pick, did alright with the 2nd and 3rd and then drafted more redundancy with their 4th. It's pretty unexciting and underwhelming. They don't need 11 OL. They could use another WR for when Bennett or Jeffrey break and we trot out a pile of crap alongside a triple covered Marshall.

 

That anyone on NSBB thinks they know enough about scouting football players to actually get as worked up as some of the folks in here (see: cubbyvirus) have is nonsense. But thanks for being entertaining.

 

Whatever, CT. Scouting is pretty unexact, and you don't have to work for an NFL team to have an opinion. If that's your stance, we may as well close up 4/5th of the threads here.

 

It is pretty unexact, and I have no qualms with someone having an opinion, even stupid ones. What does amuse/trouble me is people acting like they honestly believe they could do a better job. That's just funny.

 

If that honestly troubles you then you're not busy enough. I don't think anyone here truly believes that they can be a GM without working up the ladder, however we can come to form an opinion about the job that they do. There's at least 5-10 credible draft sites out there along with anonymous scouts out giving them and team reporters information. If nobody has Kyle Long being drafted in the first round, you can form an educated opinion about that rather easily and it would hardly be 'troubling.'

[Guest]

 

Martellus Bennett is a huuuuuge upgrade over Droppy Mcgee in both blocking and receiving. He gives us more of the middle of the field. And healthy Alshon is a huuuuge upgrade over injured Alshon, because we can't assume injuries to any player.

 

Marshall, Jeffery, E. Bennett, M. Bennett is a pretty nice cast of pass-catchers.

Don't forget Forte. His ability to catch the ball opens up a lot of options.

[Guest]

You didn't address the last question, though. They've thrown a lot of bodies at the problem, but have they managed to construct a better than average line?

 

My bad. I think they definitely upgraded LT, RT and whatever position Slauson will play. If Garza sticks at center, that's a downgrade due to decline in age. The other G position is the biggest question but they have a few bodies with potential.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

Martellus Bennett is a huuuuuge upgrade over Droppy Mcgee in both blocking and receiving. He gives us more of the middle of the field. And healthy Alshon is a huuuuge upgrade over injured Alshon, because we can't assume injuries to any player.

 

Marshall, Jeffery, E. Bennett, M. Bennett is a pretty nice cast of pass-catchers.

Don't forget Forte. His ability to catch the ball opens up a lot of options.

 

yeah, I edited.

[USSoccer]

 

They now have 11 OL. They don't need 11 OL. They have Marshall and Jeffrey, and then Bennett and TBD at WR. They have Bennett and the rotating circus of failure at TE. So like I said, when Bennett or Jeffrey break again, who picks up the slack and helps out Marshall?

 

I don't see how a couple OG/OT project-ish guys is helping Cutler.

 

I don't really have an issue with going for quantity at OL and then seeing who they can coach up and picking the best 5. It has to improve the line.

 

If your issue is who the 4th and 5th WR are, fine, I guess. I'm not all that worried that they won't be able to find somebody to stick there.

 

TE could use some more depth, for sure.

 

I look at it like this: if you have multiple weapons on offense who are able to make plays, your line doesn't have to hold the defense at bay for 6 seconds per play. I guess they're looking at it as though they can just toss as many guys into the mix as possible and find 8 good ones, but even if they field an above average line, you still need playmakers.

 

They're essentially going into 2013 with the same cast of playmakers that wasn't good enough last year.

 

Martellus Bennett is a huuuuuge upgrade over Droppy Mcgee in both blocking and receiving. He gives us more of the middle of the field. And healthy Alshon is a huuuuge upgrade over injured Alshon, because we can't assume injuries to any player.

 

Marshall, Jeffery, E. Bennett, M. Bennett, and Forte is a pretty nice cast of pass-catchers. If cutler can't work with them, it's not going to work for him ever. And you guys know how much I love Jay.

 

I get what you and David are saying. I'd just as soon have an extra WR there over the extra lineman. We'll see what happens.

[Guest]

The meatballs in this thread are way too spicy for me. Gives me heartburn.

 

Give me a break with this nonsense. People are well within their rights to look at a draft where they reached on their 1st pick, did alright with the 2nd and 3rd and then drafted more redundancy with their 4th. It's pretty unexciting and underwhelming. They don't need 11 OL. They could use another WR for when Bennett or Jeffrey break and we trot out a pile of crap alongside a triple covered Marshall.

 

They don't need 11 OL but if they cut one of the guys already here to keep a draftee, that means they've upgraded the line even more. The line needs all the upgrades it can get.

 

Jeffery doesn't deserve the injury prone label.

 

They' have added Bennett to Jeffery, who should improve from year 1 to year 2, and have to hope for more health from Forte, Jeffery and Bennett from last season.

[Guest]

If that honestly troubles you then you're not busy enough. I don't think anyone here truly believes that they can be a GM without working up the ladder, however we can come to form an opinion about the job that they do. There's at least 5-10 credible draft sites out there along with anonymous scouts out giving them and team reporters information. If nobody has Kyle Long being drafted in the first round, you can form an educated opinion about that rather easily and it would hardly be 'troubling.'

 

You're misrepresenting your point for effect; one of the most popular draft experts, Mel Kiper, had Long in the first round in his final mock.

[cubbyvirus00]

If that honestly troubles you then you're not busy enough. I don't think anyone here truly believes that they can be a GM without working up the ladder, however we can come to form an opinion about the job that they do. There's at least 5-10 credible draft sites out there along with anonymous scouts out giving them and team reporters information. If nobody has Kyle Long being drafted in the first round, you can form an educated opinion about that rather easily and it would hardly be 'troubling.'

 

You're misrepresenting your point for effect; one of the most popular draft experts, Mel Kiper, had Long in the first round in his final mock.

 

Correction: The clear majority everybody

[Guest]

If they add Rogers with this pick, I'll be happier

[cubbyvirus00]

If they add Rogers with this pick, I'll be happier

 

Yep, good value with that

[Guest]

Apparently, they only scouted LB & OL

[Guest]

Apparently, they only scouted LB & OL

 

He's a DE, isn't he?

[cubbyvirus00]

Yep, was viewed as a 3-4 OLB.

 

Meh

 

Emerys draft style has been more defined now with him drafting 2 years. He loves athletes with measurables

Edited April 27, 2013 by cubbyvirus00

[davell]

Man, I really wanted WR addressed but again, they took a great value. Hard to be upset. They've added 3 guys today that can all contribute. Hell, you can make the case they addes 3 guys today that all could have been off the board yesterday.

[Guest]

Apparently, they only scouted LB & OL

 

He's a DE, isn't he?

He'd be pretty small as a NFL defensive end.

 

Emery has now drafted four guys that would fit LB in a 3-4 scheme.

[Magnetic Curses]

If that honestly troubles you then you're not busy enough. I don't think anyone here truly believes that they can be a GM without working up the ladder, however we can come to form an opinion about the job that they do. There's at least 5-10 credible draft sites out there along with anonymous scouts out giving them and team reporters information. If nobody has Kyle Long being drafted in the first round, you can form an educated opinion about that rather easily and it would hardly be 'troubling.'

 

You're misrepresenting your point for effect; one of the most popular draft experts, Mel Kiper, had Long in the first round in his final mock.

 

also, the pick is not a reach if you can't trade down and you don't think he'll be there when you pick in the second. get the guy you want in that case.

 

i'm not blown away by the pick myself, or the last couple of drafts, but i'll give emery the benefit of the doubt. mclellin has another year to impress me, hardin hasn't gotten on the field yet, and Rodriguez hasn't been utilized at all. i'm still fairly optimistic about all 3. if they pan out, emery looks a bit different.

[cubbyvirus00]

Apparently, they only scouted LB & OL

 

He's a DE, isn't he?

He'd be pretty small as a NFL defensive end.

 

Emery has now drafted four guys that would fit LB in a 3-4 scheme.

 

Makes you wonder, with us probably losing most of the older players after this season, they could make the switch.

[Guest]

Washington is good value but I really was hoping for Da'Rick Rogers.

[Guest]

Very nice Khaseem Greene video from his game against Syracuse:

[Warpticon]

Washington is good value but I really was hoping for Da'Rick Rogers.

 

Rogers has first round physical talent. You have to wonder just how bad the character concerns are with this dude that nobody will touch him this late.

[Guest]

Washington is good value but I really was hoping for Da'Rick Rogers.

 

Rogers has first round physical talent. You have to wonder just how bad the character concerns are with this dude that nobody will touch him this late.

 

Without a doubt; I figure you can take the gamble in the 6th round. I figure Brandon Marshall could be a good influence on him.

[USSoccer]

Washington is good value but I really was hoping for Da'Rick Rogers.

 

Rogers has first round physical talent. You have to wonder just how bad the character concerns are with this dude that nobody will touch him this late.

 

Without a doubt; I figure you can take the gamble in the 6th round. I figure Brandon Marshall could be a good influence on him.

 

Maybe he'll fall to them with the 572nd pick or whatever is left.

[Guest]

There goes Jordan Poyer. Can't believe he fell to the 7th, he has no off-field issues like Bray or Rogers.

[rawaction]

Washington is good value but I really was hoping for Da'Rick Rogers.

 

Rogers has first round physical talent. You have to wonder just how bad the character concerns are with this dude that nobody will touch him this late.

He got kicked out of a school that hired lane kiffin. Character is pretty bad.