Re: 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Thread

[bcl412]

I'm irritated that Rose isn't playing but this is one of those arguments were people on both sides annoy me.

[UMFan83]

I'm irritated that Rose isn't playing but this is one of those arguments were people on both sides annoy me.

 

Agreed. I don't really know where I stand to be honest. Part of me is really frustrated because it seems like he should play, but the rest of me isn't going to turn on the dude if only because he's going to be a Bull for the next several years and will be back eventually. Plus I feel like there has to be more to the story.

[Andy]

I'm irritated that Rose isn't playing but this is one of those arguments were people on both sides annoy me.

 

Agreed. I don't really know where I stand to be honest. Part of me is really frustrated because it seems like he should play, but the rest of me isn't going to turn on the dude if only because he's going to be a Bull for the next several years and will be back eventually. Plus I feel like there has to be more to the story.

I'm here too, although it seems like if there was a compelling reason Rose can't be out there, either his camp or the Bulls would be trumpeting it to ensure his reputation wasn't compromised, even if only by random trolls on the Internet.

[imb]

I wonder how differently this would have all played out had Rose gone to Texas A&M.

 

rose would have been bored as hell in plano

[Thed Hoyerstein]

He would have needed to get someone a lot smarter to take his entrance exams to get into A&M than the one he used for Memphis.

 

Yes, I'm sure all of A&M's athletes are Mensa candidates.

 

{Inserts SEC education joke}

 

{Vanderbilt doesn't count}

[Banedon]

 

If Rose has this kind of hops on the bench, he should be playing!

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2519017/benchparty_medium.gif

 

[Careless]

yikes, the two-part SAT average at Memphis is under 1000

[UMFan83]

Joe Johnson has Joakim Noah disease and is a game time decision tomorrow.

[Banedon]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/4/23/16/anigif_enhanced-buzz-30303-1366748061-10.gif

[Old Style]

:lol:

[Banedon]

Here ya go SSR!

 

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9203345/nba-trade-value-part-2

 

 

20. Kevin Love

Tough love for Love! He already lost the 2013 Mokeski to David Lee; now he's bungee-jumping 16 picks from last year's lofty no. 4 spot to this year's semi-insulting no. 20 position, which normally wouldn't happen to a 24-year-old franchise star unless he was arrested with two underage girls and three and a half pounds of molly. Just know that he didn't drop 16 spots because of that twice-broken hand. If we're measuring players by trade value, we're really measuring them by the probability that they'd ever be traded. And Kevin Love WILL be traded. It's inevitable. It might happen this summer, it might happen during next season, but it's going to happen.

 

And here's why: Before the 2011-12 season started, Minnesota could have locked Love up to a five-year max extension that he wanted to sign. Incredibly, the T-Wolves decided it would be dumb to lock up a 23-year-old franchise guy for as long as humanly possible; they wanted to save that "max" extension slot for Ricky Rubio. Love signed a lucrative four-year extension with a player option for Year 4 (after 2014-15) that may as well be called "Kevin Love's Get Out of Jail Free Card." He's been bitter ever since. You would be too.

 

What should you do if you're Minnesota? If you're smart, you'd build around Rubio (about to get an extension), Pekovic (about to get paid) and whatever you can get for Kevin Love. The blueprint: In February 2011, the Jazz shrewdly dealt Deron Williams 17 months before he could bolt Utah for a high lottery pick (Derrick Favors) and a future lottery pick (that became no. 3 overall: Enes Kanter), maximizing any and all leverage they had. I don't see how the T-Wolves make it through this summer without doing the same. The likeliest suitor? Chicago. The Bulls have big contracts to make the trade work (Luol Deng on the enticing side, Carlos Boozer on the less enticing side); they're loaded with assets like Jimmy Butler (no. 49 on this year's list), the rights to Mirotic (a high lottery pick if he entered this year's draft), and the rights to Charlotte's future no. 1 pick (top-10 protected in 2014, top-eight protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016); and they're a big-market contender with a superstar in house (so they could keep Love for the long haul).

 

Let's say Chicago calls Minnesota in June and offers them Boozer's contract with Butler, Mirotic AND the Charlotte pick. How could the T-Wolves turn that down? And if you're the Bulls, how would you turn down the chance to (a) dump Boozer's deal, and (b) upend a potential Miami dynasty with a nucleus of Rose, Noah, Love, Deng, Taj Gibson and Tom Thibodeau these next few years? You know, unless your owner was too cheap to make a real run at the Heat? (Cut to every Chicago fan grimacing.) Anyway, I'm dropping Love to 20 only because that Bulls trade made too much damned sense. It just did.

 

[SouthSideRyan]

Him and DRose are going to pick out matching suits for next season's opener.

[Cubswin11]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/4/23/16/anigif_enhanced-buzz-30303-1366748061-10.gif

Hey, Derrick!?! Tell me how my ass tastes

[cubbyvirus00]

Here ya go SSR!

 

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9203345/nba-trade-value-part-2

 

 

20. Kevin Love

Tough love for Love! He already lost the 2013 Mokeski to David Lee; now he's bungee-jumping 16 picks from last year's lofty no. 4 spot to this year's semi-insulting no. 20 position, which normally wouldn't happen to a 24-year-old franchise star unless he was arrested with two underage girls and three and a half pounds of molly. Just know that he didn't drop 16 spots because of that twice-broken hand. If we're measuring players by trade value, we're really measuring them by the probability that they'd ever be traded. And Kevin Love WILL be traded. It's inevitable. It might happen this summer, it might happen during next season, but it's going to happen.

 

And here's why: Before the 2011-12 season started, Minnesota could have locked Love up to a five-year max extension that he wanted to sign. Incredibly, the T-Wolves decided it would be dumb to lock up a 23-year-old franchise guy for as long as humanly possible; they wanted to save that "max" extension slot for Ricky Rubio. Love signed a lucrative four-year extension with a player option for Year 4 (after 2014-15) that may as well be called "Kevin Love's Get Out of Jail Free Card." He's been bitter ever since. You would be too.

 

What should you do if you're Minnesota? If you're smart, you'd build around Rubio (about to get an extension), Pekovic (about to get paid) and whatever you can get for Kevin Love. The blueprint: In February 2011, the Jazz shrewdly dealt Deron Williams 17 months before he could bolt Utah for a high lottery pick (Derrick Favors) and a future lottery pick (that became no. 3 overall: Enes Kanter), maximizing any and all leverage they had. I don't see how the T-Wolves make it through this summer without doing the same. The likeliest suitor? Chicago. The Bulls have big contracts to make the trade work (Luol Deng on the enticing side, Carlos Boozer on the less enticing side); they're loaded with assets like Jimmy Butler (no. 49 on this year's list), the rights to Mirotic (a high lottery pick if he entered this year's draft), and the rights to Charlotte's future no. 1 pick (top-10 protected in 2014, top-eight protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016); and they're a big-market contender with a superstar in house (so they could keep Love for the long haul).

 

Let's say Chicago calls Minnesota in June and offers them Boozer's contract with Butler, Mirotic AND the Charlotte pick. How could the T-Wolves turn that down? And if you're the Bulls, how would you turn down the chance to (a) dump Boozer's deal, and (b) upend a potential Miami dynasty with a nucleus of Rose, Noah, Love, Deng, Taj Gibson and Tom Thibodeau these next few years? You know, unless your owner was too cheap to make a real run at the Heat? (Cut to every Chicago fan grimacing.) Anyway, I'm dropping Love to 20 only because that Bulls trade made too much damned sense. It just did.

 

Yes please

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Yeah, I like Mirotic, but if you can turn him + the Cats pick into Kevin Love, you easily take that deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

Simmons is just the worst. Every year this column is littered with him talking about how poorly he evaluated each player 2 years/months/weeks ago, but now, now he's got it down.

[Banedon]

Marc Gasol wins DPOY. Noah was 4th.

[ChiCubsFan]

Yeah, I like Mirotic, but if you can turn him + the Cats pick into Kevin Love, you easily take that deal.

 

Plus Jimmy.

 

I'd much rather trade Deng (instead of Boozer) and keep Jimmy if possible. Then amnesty Boozer and use the money to pick up a starting SG.

 

Rose/Kirk/Teague

FA SG/Kirk

Butler/FA SF

Love/Gibson/Thomas

Noah/Gibson/FA or drafted C

 

Would Deng, Mirotic, CHA pick, Bulls 1st rounder this year/future picks be enough for Love? Maybe, maybe not. They could sell the fanbase on getting an allstar player, European stud (they just had success doing this with Rubio), and some picks to rebuild. At least then they can match Pekovic this summer, pay Rubio, and dispose of Deng's contract when Mirotic is ready to come over.

 

If not, then Boozer, Butler, Mirotic, CHA pick, Bulls pick(s) would likely work.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

I'll make it a lot simpler, anyone but Rose is on the table in a trade for Love.

[Banedon]

I think I agree with Wilbon.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9208069/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-second-guessed-not-playing

 

The biggest mistake of this season was Bulls management not coming out in October and saying, "As far as we're concerned, Derrick Rose will sit out this season and anything else will be a bonus, a complete surprise."

 

The reason you shouldn't be clamoring for Rose to play right now is Gilbert Arenas, who just six years ago was Rose before blowing out his knee. Arenas was an all-NBA scoring point guard in 2005, 2006 and 2007. His best years were the first of those two, when he was 23 and 24 years old. He was an explosive player, not as much as Rose but 100 times more than Rubio. Arenas was determined to come back in less than a year; he had unfinished playoff business with LeBron James. So Arenas rehabbed with a vengeance, was praised by the talk show radio heads and so many of the people who were really impressed by his manhood …

 

… and Arenas is playing in China now. He's 31 and in all likelihood done in the NBA. This was before guns and other crazy issues. Arenas went from having a team in contention in the Eastern Conference -- he beat the Bulls, remember, in a seven-game playoff series after the Bulls led 2-0 -- to playing in China because his knee wouldn't let him do what he did brilliantly for three seasons. Look up his numbers, find him on YouTube.

[Cubswin11]

How long was Arenas out with his injury before he came back? I thought he came back really quick and even went against medical/doctors opinions, that's really not where Rose is at right now.

[illiniguy]

The media making the Rose thing a non-story at this point is perplexing to me. This is the same group who was all over Cutler for not coming back into a game after he had sprained his MCL and Lin last year for not coming back from a torn miniscus/surgery for it a month 1/2 before the playoffs started.

 

Roses is basically using up the majority of his goodwill that he gained over his first 4 years with the Bulls. He was accessible, said all the right things, won an MVP, led the team to the best record in the NBA 2 years in a row, etc. People are frustrated, but the media is going to treat him better than Cutler, who is known to be aloof.

 

I gotta tell ya, I'm chuckling over everyone losing their minds on this. When he comes back, and is his usual self, especially if he has an improved jumper, none of that is going to matter. Everybody's gonna be all giddy that he's back, and move along happily watching him, buying his jerseys, and forgetting that this year even happened.

I don't know about forget. Things will be more or less back to normal, but a lot of fans (especially the meatballs, and on this subject I admit to having some meatbally tendencies) aren't going to just fail to remember that he basically punted a season.

 

Unless/until, of course, he leads a team to a championship, which as we've seen over and over again is the cure-all for any athlete, especially an NBA player.

LOL @ DRose leading a team to a championship

If LeBron James isn't a thing, he already has one most likely.

[WrigleyField 22]

Plus theres the fact that extra time off really isn't going to help heal his knee. The surgery was either successful and he'll be back stronger than ever like AP or it wasn't as successful and he'll have lost something forever. But physically there is no more healing left to do. The actual ligament has been fine since sometime in late 2012 (not suggesting you can come back that soon obviously as rehabbing is a huge chunk of the recovery process, but all signs point to Derrick's rehab having gone excellent).

 

Maybe it wasn't successful and Derrick has lost an element he will never get back. And perhaps thats his issue, he thinks he can get back to that point, although actually getting on the court is the only way to get there, if at all.

 

 

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

The media making the Rose thing a non-story at this point is perplexing to me. This is the same group who was all over Cutler for not coming back into a game after he had sprained his MCL and Lin last year for not coming back from a torn miniscus/surgery for it a month 1/2 before the playoffs started.

 

Roses is basically using up the majority of his goodwill that he gained over his first 4 years with the Bulls. He was accessible, said all the right things, won an MVP, led the team to the best record in the NBA 2 years in a row, etc. People are frustrated, but the media is going to treat him better than Cutler, who is known to be aloof.

 

I gotta tell ya, I'm chuckling over everyone losing their minds on this. When he comes back, and is his usual self, especially if he has an improved jumper, none of that is going to matter. Everybody's gonna be all giddy that he's back, and move along happily watching him, buying his jerseys, and forgetting that this year even happened.

I don't know about forget. Things will be more or less back to normal, but a lot of fans (especially the meatballs, and on this subject I admit to having some meatbally tendencies) aren't going to just fail to remember that he basically punted a season.

 

Unless/until, of course, he leads a team to a championship, which as we've seen over and over again is the cure-all for any athlete, especially an NBA player.

LOL @ DRose leading a team to a championship

If LeBron James isn't a thing, he already has one most likely.

WTF does that mean? If Michael Jordan isn't a thing, about a dozen additional stars in the 90s have rings. Means nothing. There's always going to be a dominating star for an era.

 

 

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[illiniguy]

I just think it means he's on the cusp already. It isn't crazy to think he could get over that hump.