NFL Week 3

[scarey]

To me, Golden Tate gets two hands on the ball around the same time as Jennings. Also, in the replay that is shown over and over, he seems to release his right arm for a second and put it back on the ball. However, it seems as if he has is left arm wedged in around the ball the whole time. There is no replay angle that shows his left arm isn't wrapped around the ball between Jennings arms and the ball.

 

I just watched the play in slow motion. Jennings catches the ball first and Tate has his right hand on Jennings's right forearm. As they're going down, he removes his hand from Jennings's forearm and tries to grab the ball. Jennings had control of the ball first and the whole time. Tate didn't.

 

It seems pretty clear that the second sentence in that rule explains it.

 

You can't have possession on a catch until you come to the ground. I'm actually pretty sure the replacement refs got this right.

 

Well, outside of thePI.

[Banedon]

@joe_sheehan If only Aaron Rodgers had Allstate instead of State Farm. He'd be protected from mayhem like this.

[WrigleyField 22]

@joe_sheehan If only Aaron Rodgers had Allstate instead of State Farm. He'd be protected from mayhem like this.

Hahahaha thats pretty good.

 

 

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[Banedon]

http://i.qkme.me/3r24kk.jpg

[Soul]

the inaccurate reception, lol

[UMFan83]

Looks like even Seahawks fans think it was an INT. And a majority of the people that are voting are probably casual fans or homers who see what they want to see. From the Seattle PI website:

 

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg846/scaled.php?server=846&filename=seattlehaha.jpg&res=landing

[Banedon]

Looks like even Seahawks fans think it was an INT. And a majority of the people that are voting are probably casual fans or homers who see what they want to see. From the Seattle PI website:

 

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg846/scaled.php?server=846&filename=seattlehaha.jpg&res=landing

 

Or it's some Packers message board flooding the poll. I imagine there were plenty of Packers fans checking out Seattle PI last night.

[UMFan83]

Also....here it is. The Packer's radio network calling the last play and the resulting 6 minutes of aftermath

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/171143241.html

[Soul]

I listened to the Seahawks call, and it's as if there was no controversy at all. If you were listening to Seahawks radio last night you were told Tate just came down with the ball, cleanly.

[Banedon]

The more I see it, the more I understand why it was called this way. I think it's one of those plays like the Megatron "catch" a couple years ago against the Bears....where the rules don't fit what you see with the naked eye.

[Soul]

Apparently, later today, the NFL is going to issue a statement on the play.

[Banedon]

Also....here it is. The Packer's radio network calling the last play and the resulting 6 minutes of aftermath

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/171143241.html

 

They even say "caught simultaneously" a couple times.

[Soul]

Lost in this, of course, is how terrible the Packers were last night. Especially in the passing game. They haven't been a great passing offense in quite some time now.

[abuck1220]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

[Banedon]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

 

By the time the players hit the ground, which is when possession is determined, both players had the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule.

[bukie]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

 

By the time the players hit the ground, which is when possession is determined, both players had the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule.

Putting one hand on the ball doesn't mean Tate "had the ball".

[Banedon]

He had two hands on it by the time his feet hit the ground. I'm not a ref (obviously), and I agree by the eyeball test, it's Packers ball. But I'm just not sure that it's as clear by the rules.

[Soul]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

 

By the time the players hit the ground, which is when possession is determined, both players had the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule.

 

Think of all the other catches that would have to be re-examined if that's the case.

 

If that's all it takes to trigger the simultaneous rule, then it would be very difficult for a defender to ever get an INT where the receiver can make a token stab at possession.

[scarey]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

 

By the time the players hit the ground, which is when possession is determined, both players had the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule.

Putting one hand on the ball doesn't mean Tate "had the ball".

 

There's a shot from a mid field perspective that shows four hands clapping on the ball all at the same time. Two of those belonged to Jennings, two to Tate. At that point, one player has to "lose control" of the ball for it to not be a simultaneous catch. Even in slow motion, it's hard for me to determine if Tate actually "loses control" of the ball coming down with it.

 

The refs had to make that call in real time though. Only thing the review was able to do was determine if it was a catch or a non-catch.

 

Bottom line, the call was not nearly as egregious as everyone's making it out to be. It may even be the right call.

[Cubswin11]

Lost in this, of course, is how terrible the Packers were last night. Especially in the passing game. They haven't been a great passing offense in quite some time now.

Agreed. The WR's don't seem be generating as much space as last year and a lot of balls that could go for big plays are either being dropped or Rodgers puts the ball in a spot where the receiver can't catch it in stride and has to jump/dive/contort his body to get to the ball and either has to fall when he catches it or drops it. Rodgers and the WR's definitely seem to not be quite clicking this year yet.

 

The o-line has their holes too so Rodgers isn't getting as much time on some play, but as evident last night probably on half of the sacks Rodgers had enough time and there just wasn't anything there and held the ball too long. Also a lot of the blitzes last night the Seahawks were only sending 3 or 4 guys so they had 8-7 guys dropping back in coverage to some extent which means obviously it's going to be harder to find anything when you have 3-5 of your receivers being covered by 7-8 guys.

[abuck1220]

It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.

 

this is what happened. and that's giving tate credit for "subsequently gaining joint control," which he really didn't do.

[abuck1220]

 

Bottom line, the call was not nearly as egregious as everyone's making it out to be. It may even be the right call.

 

you are blind or you have a mental illness.

[scarey]

come on. anyone who thinks that's a catch is either just being a contrarian or has something wrong with their eyeballs.

 

By the time the players hit the ground, which is when possession is determined, both players had the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule.

 

Think of all the other catches that would have to be re-examined if that's the case.

 

If that's all it takes to trigger the simultaneous rule, then it would be very difficult for a defender to ever get an INT where the receiver can make a token stab at possession.

 

The rule clearly indicates that if a different player attempts to "take control" of the ball after the first player initially already does, that the simultaneous catch rule is not active. It also clearly states that if either player "loses control", it is then up for grabs meaning the other player that maintains control makes a catch and there is no simultaneous catch.

 

One of those two happens on 99.99999999999999% of passes. I could see an argument for Tate "losing control" after both players on the ground and Jennings rolls over on Tate. However, I don't think it's obvious and I definitely do not think it's a cut and dry call in real time, when the play must be judged.

[Soul]

Bottom line, the call was not nearly as egregious as everyone's making it out to be. It may even be the right call.

 

Eh, it really was horrible. But it will now be debated and debated for days with every piece of detail put on the screen to a level that would not normally be done.

 

The bottom line for me is, I feel completely confident with the regular refs that would not have been called a TD. And also, when you put this one call in the context of the slew of horrifying incompetence that is canvassing the entire league right now, it's just beyond anything that can possibly be defended.

[scarey]

double post Edited September 25, 2012 by scarey