Re: NBA Draft & Offseason Thread

[jnidey83]

Meyers Leonard is the guy I think with the most upside in this draft. That said he could easily bust too.

 

This draft has brought me out of my lurker status. As can probably be deduced from my hometown, I am obviously in the tank for Meyers, so I can only achieve a modicum of objectivity.

 

I think you're right, though. A lot of people, even here (meaning locally), were questioning his decision to declare, but the combine+workout reviews have really rocketed his stock. I think things are still in flux, but it is a good sign to see him invited to the draft.

 

As someone who has been able to follow Meyers and his class since middle school, I know his upside is tremendous. I do know, however, that his stock is based, in large part, on potential, so it could go either way.

[imb]

jeremy lamb is going to put on 15 pounds and be the best defensive 2-guard in the nba real quick. he can run, jump and shoot, too.

[Guest]

Originally I was just hoping to get either Beal or MKG, but I'm getting more and more sold on Beal, almost to the point where I hope Charlotte takes the rumored #4 & #24 for #2 deal to make sure the Cavs get him.

[Guest]

I think bradley beal and jeremy lamb will be the 2 best non-davis players in the draft.

 

I think Beal and Kidd-Gilchrist will be better than Davis

 

Those are the two I think will be the best prospects in the draft.

[Vanilla Ice]

Gordon and a protected first rounder to the Bobcats for Maggette.

 

Mixed feelings on this trade for the Bobcats. Really don't like taking on an extra year for Gordon. On the other hand, the Pistons are set up poorly enough for the future that the pick could be very valuable in a couple of years. I'm scared that this trade is signaling that the Bobcats aren't going to take Beal.

 

Really hoping that the Bobcats aren't actually going to trade to #4 to take Barnes. The #24 pick is not nearly enough to account for the difference between MKG/Beal and Barnes.

[UMFan83]

Gordon and a protected first rounder to the Bobcats for Maggette.

 

Mixed feelings on this trade for the Bobcats. Really don't like taking on an extra year for Gordon. On the other hand, the Pistons are set up poorly enough for the future that the pick could be very valuable in a couple of years. I'm scared that this trade is signaling that the Bobcats aren't going to take Beal.

 

Really hoping that the Bobcats aren't actually going to trade to #4 to take Barnes. The #24 pick is not nearly enough to account for the difference between MKG/Beal and Barnes.

 

The protected first rounder from the Pistons is protected almost exactly the same as the protected pick that the Bobcats gave to the Bulls. Unfortunately for Charlotte, Detroit seems like a much better bet to deliver that draft pick earlier than 2016. Regardless, they got a potential high first rounder and the better player. It's amazing how much you can get for taking on salary.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think one of the big guys is definitely going to end up being better than Lamb. There are some really good high-ceiling big guys between Perry Jones III, Thomas Robinson, and Andre Drummond. I've got to think at least one of them pans out. That doesn't even mention some of the safer big guys like Zeller or Sullinger.

 

I just don't see it with Jeremy Lamb. What is it about him, other than his length?

 

Thomas Robinson is high ceiling??

[ChiCubsFan]

What a great deal for the Bobcats.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think one of the big guys is definitely going to end up being better than Lamb. There are some really good high-ceiling big guys between Perry Jones III, Thomas Robinson, and Andre Drummond. I've got to think at least one of them pans out. That doesn't even mention some of the safer big guys like Zeller or Sullinger.

 

I just don't see it with Jeremy Lamb. What is it about him, other than his length?

 

Thomas Robinson is high ceiling??

Oops, I had that post worded a different way when I wrote it the first time. Should really have read that one over.

[Vanilla Ice]

 

I just don't see it with Jeremy Lamb. What is it about him, other than his length?

 

That's really all there needs to be, when you look at his ability. Legit 2G size, good shooter with mid-range and deep game. Elite jumping ability, can handle, has great quickness, good rebounder for his size. I think he has some James Harden potential in the NBA, but also has the ability to come off of screens like Rip Hamilton (to use the easy comparison from UConn, very skinny). He's probably not going to be a 25ppg scorer, but I think he's a guy that can give you 16-18 right away at the 2-guard with a good PG to get him the ball off screens and on the break. Ultimately, I think he can be a low 20s scorer, who gives you 5 rebs and 5 assists every night. A very good player.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Lamb, so I can be persuaded.

 

But, what's the huge difference between him and Corey Brewer?

[Vanilla Ice]

Gordon and a protected first rounder to the Bobcats for Maggette.

 

Mixed feelings on this trade for the Bobcats. Really don't like taking on an extra year for Gordon. On the other hand, the Pistons are set up poorly enough for the future that the pick could be very valuable in a couple of years. I'm scared that this trade is signaling that the Bobcats aren't going to take Beal.

 

Really hoping that the Bobcats aren't actually going to trade to #4 to take Barnes. The #24 pick is not nearly enough to account for the difference between MKG/Beal and Barnes.

 

The protected first rounder from the Pistons is protected almost exactly the same as the protected pick that the Bobcats gave to the Bulls. Unfortunately for Charlotte, Detroit seems like a much better bet to deliver that draft pick earlier than 2016. Regardless, they got a potential high first rounder and the better player. It's amazing how much you can get for taking on salary.

 

Is the #10 pick in 2014 worth eating 15 million dollars in cap space? Is the #6 pick in 2015 worth that? I'm not so sure. 2013 Free agents are pretty good.

 

Also, the Bobcats have no use for the better player.

[ChiCubsFan]

Gordon and a protected first rounder to the Bobcats for Maggette.

 

Mixed feelings on this trade for the Bobcats. Really don't like taking on an extra year for Gordon. On the other hand, the Pistons are set up poorly enough for the future that the pick could be very valuable in a couple of years. I'm scared that this trade is signaling that the Bobcats aren't going to take Beal.

 

Really hoping that the Bobcats aren't actually going to trade to #4 to take Barnes. The #24 pick is not nearly enough to account for the difference between MKG/Beal and Barnes.

 

The protected first rounder from the Pistons is protected almost exactly the same as the protected pick that the Bobcats gave to the Bulls. Unfortunately for Charlotte, Detroit seems like a much better bet to deliver that draft pick earlier than 2016. Regardless, they got a potential high first rounder and the better player. It's amazing how much you can get for taking on salary.

 

Is the #10 pick in 2014 worth eating 15 million dollars in cap space? Is the #6 pick in 2015 worth that? I'm not so sure. 2013 Free agents are pretty good.

 

Also, the Bobcats have no use for the better player.

 

What FA are the Bobcats getting in 2013?

[UMFan83]

Gordon and a protected first rounder to the Bobcats for Maggette.

 

Mixed feelings on this trade for the Bobcats. Really don't like taking on an extra year for Gordon. On the other hand, the Pistons are set up poorly enough for the future that the pick could be very valuable in a couple of years. I'm scared that this trade is signaling that the Bobcats aren't going to take Beal.

 

Really hoping that the Bobcats aren't actually going to trade to #4 to take Barnes. The #24 pick is not nearly enough to account for the difference between MKG/Beal and Barnes.

 

The protected first rounder from the Pistons is protected almost exactly the same as the protected pick that the Bobcats gave to the Bulls. Unfortunately for Charlotte, Detroit seems like a much better bet to deliver that draft pick earlier than 2016. Regardless, they got a potential high first rounder and the better player. It's amazing how much you can get for taking on salary.

 

Is the #10 pick in 2014 worth eating 15 million dollars in cap space? Is the #6 pick in 2015 worth that? I'm not so sure. 2013 Free agents are pretty good.

 

Also, the Bobcats have no use for the better player.

 

What FA are the Bobcats getting in 2013?

 

Exactly. The Bobcats desperately need a shooter/scorer like Gordon, and his contract isn't that bad. I think he only has 2 more years left, so after this year he could be an expiring contract with some value if you want to go for an upgrade in a trade. Plus you get what is likely to be at worst a mid-first round pick.

[Vanilla Ice]

The Bobcats have no use for Ben Gordon. It doesn't matter at all if Gordon takes them from 20 to 25 wins next year.

 

Mostly I'm just pissed because I wanted Bradley Beal.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Vanilla Ice

[Guest]

The Bobcats have no use for Ben Gordon. It doesn't matter at all if Gordon takes them from 20 to 25 wins next year. In addition, I would have rather had Beal than MKG or Barnes and that seems much less likely now.

 

Why give up the opportunity to bring somebody in just because it might not be likely?

 

I'm not saying it's definitely a bad trade, but to act like it is a great trade for the Bobcats is weird.

I think the plan is to attempt to avoid being historically awful next season.

[ChiCubsFan]

The Bobcats have no use for Ben Gordon. It doesn't matter at all if Gordon takes them from 20 to 25 wins next year.

 

Mostly I'm just pissed because I wanted Bradley Beal.

 

They also have no use for the unused cap space. Might as well fill it with Ben Gordon and pick up (at worst) a mid 1st round pick. Plus, Gordon only has 2 years remaining, so he'll be an expiring contract next year and therefore have some positive trade value to some teams.

[UMFan83]

Also I have no idea what the rumors are about the Bobcats and who they are drafting but I don't see how Ben Gordon takes Beal out of the running.

[rawaction]

Also I have no idea what the rumors are about the Bobcats and who they are drafting but I don't see how Ben Gordon takes Beal out of the running.

 

Yeah, I'm failing to see the connection too. But they are taking Barnes regardless.

[hawkeyecub]

I think there's roughly a 30% chance that the Pistons sneak into the playoffs next year and with the cap space they'll have, 40+% in '14. They finished the year 18-16 this year in their last 34 games. .500 or a little above is doable with another year for Monroe and Knight, a full offseason with Frank, getting something out of Drummond (still hoping) or Henson and a couple decent moves.

 

Anyways, if they end up giving up the 15th pick next year or 16th pick in '14, this deal will have been great. If they still suck and don't have a lottery pick in a few years it's terrible.

[UK1679666180]

Also I have no idea what the rumors are about the Bobcats and who they are drafting but I don't see how Ben Gordon takes Beal out of the running.

 

Yeah, I'm failing to see the connection too. But they are taking Barnes regardless.

 

 

Barnes is going to struggle if he does to Charlotte, he would be in a much better place dropping to Clev.

 

Jeremy Lamb and Davis are the two bets players in the draft, IMO.

[rawaction]

Also I have no idea what the rumors are about the Bobcats and who they are drafting but I don't see how Ben Gordon takes Beal out of the running.

 

Yeah, I'm failing to see the connection too. But they are taking Barnes regardless.

 

 

Barnes is going to struggle if he does to Charlotte, he would be in a much better place dropping to Clev.

 

Jeremy Lamb and Davis are the two bets players in the draft, IMO.

 

Agreed on Barnes. But Charlotte (aka Jordan) continues to do the wrong thing. So, he'll take Barnes at #2. If they do trade down to 4 and still get Barnes, I'll respect that....but still not the best fit. They should get Beal.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think they take Robinson if they stay at 2 and Barnes if they move back to 4.

 

Agreed that Beal would be the best choice. Agreed that Barnes would do much better in Cleveland.

[Splendid Splinter]

Anyways, if they end up giving up the 15th pick next year or 16th pick in '14, this deal will have been great. If they still suck and don't have a lottery pick in a few years it's terrible.

 

Pretty sure the pick is lottery protected in 2013, then it's top 8 protected in 2014, and #1 protected in 2015... I would say Bobcats will get the pick in 2014 and probably a lottery pick.

[Formerly Snayke]

But Charlotte (aka Jordan) continues to do the wrong thing. So, he'll take Barnes at #2.

 

You know he's not sliding past MJ.

[illiniguy]

But Charlotte (aka Jordan) continues to do the wrong thing. So, he'll take Barnes at #2.

 

You know he's not sliding past MJ.

It's so obvious. He can't help himself.

 

 

I love you though Michael, thanks for the 6 titles. My teams only 6 titles.