Yasel Puig defects- signed by Dodgers

[ctcf]

You do realize your logic still boils down to "the Dodgers spent a lot of money, therefore they are most likely correct", right?

 

 

That's an absurd oversimplification, but sure.

 

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

[davell]

If the Dodgers weren't even the high bidder, I'm taking their word for this, over BA's. When has NA actually seen the guy? This seems like scouts were really downplaying him, to give publications bad info and possibly help control his price. All we've got on this guy is his 19 year old season where he put up close to what Cespedes did as a 25 year old.

[Guest]

The reports on Puig implied he wouldn't be worth a tenth of what he ended up getting. You can't reconcile that with just "well, maybe the Dodgers are dumb."

 

Really? My reading of the situation was that Puig would bring a lot closer to 20 million than 4, especially with the uncapped deadline looming.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

 

If you don't see it, I can't help you see it.

[Guest]

"@Kevin_Goldstein: Not for me, no. RT @RimTask: @Kevin_Goldstein Is Puig a better prospect than Soler?"

 

BA/Badler don't see many int'l prospects. Like Goldstein, their opinion is based on what scouts and teams tell them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The reports on Puig implied he wouldn't be worth a tenth of what he ended up getting. You can't reconcile that with just "well, maybe the Dodgers are dumb."

 

Really? My reading of the situation was that Puig would bring a lot closer to 20 million than 4, especially with the uncapped deadline looming.

 

Concepcion was talked about as being a top-10 talent in an average system, and he got $6 million. I was going from that to the "not a top-10 talent" comments about Puig to assume that he would get less.

[jersey cubs fan]

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

 

If you don't see it, I can't help you see it.

 

That's because you're reasoning makes no sense.

[TruffleShuffle]

man cuban baseball players should have been defecting in waves for the past month.

[Guest]

The reports on Puig implied he wouldn't be worth a tenth of what he ended up getting. You can't reconcile that with just "well, maybe the Dodgers are dumb."

 

Really? My reading of the situation was that Puig would bring a lot closer to 20 million than 4, especially with the uncapped deadline looming.

 

Concepcion was talked about as being a top-10 talent in an average system, and he got $6 million. I was going from that to the "not a top-10 talent" comments about Puig to assume that he would get less.

SOME of the prospect media considered Concepcion a top-10 system talent (Goldstrin). Others didn't (Badler).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

 

If you don't see it, I can't help you see it.

 

That's because you're reasoning makes no sense.

 

So's your face.

[jersey cubs fan]

man cuban baseball players should have been defecting in waves for the past month.

 

that's the old fashioned route of defection.

 

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Edited June 28, 2012 by jersey cubs fan

[PrimeTime]

Awwwwwww I wanted us to get all the Cubans

 

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[Tracer Bullet]

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

 

If you don't see it, I can't help you see it.

 

I don't think you can make anyone see it bc it's not there. Your argument, as written, is as ct summarized.

[UMFan83]

Meh. Even if Puig does turn out to be a star, I can't fault the Cubs for not offering him more than they gave Soler (although who knows, maybe they were the higher bidder). Maybe the reports are downplaying his abilities, but I doubt they are wrong about how raw he is. If you want to pay $42 million to someone that raw, its your risk. Obviously Soler is quite raw too but it seems like he's been scouted quite a bit more and seems to grade out higher that this guy.

 

Were the Dodgers in on Soler at all? Might just be a case of the Dodgers seeing all these Cubans go for big money, and realizing that were less than a week from never being able to spend freely on international players, and knowing that Puig is almost surely the last opportunity to do so, so the new ownership group bit and tried to make a splash. I think there's more at play here than 'the Dodgers felt he has $42 million talent'. In a vaccuum, this would be absolutely idiotic spending, and while it still seems pretty stupid, given the scenarios at play, it makes a little bit more sense.

[Guest]

Really? Your argument was: Dodgers spent money, Pundits typed at keyboards, therefore Dodgers are more likely to be correct. I fail to see the absurd oversimplification.

 

If you don't see it, I can't help you see it.

 

I don't think you can make anyone see it bc it's not there. Your argument, as written, is as ct summarized.

I interpreted it the same way you guys did.

[davell]

The Dodgers got out on Soler at 25 mill. This was before WE had any clue who Puig even was. Doesn't mean other teams had heard he was going to become eligible though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I interpreted it the same way you guys did.

 

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

[jersey cubs fan]

I interpreted it the same way you guys did.

 

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

 

I think the first, most obvious reaction is that the July 2 date is causing some crazy last minute spending.

[Clem Fandango]

Go, Ned Colletti, go!

 

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[Guest]

I interpreted it the same way you guys did.

 

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

 

I think the first, most obvious reaction is that the July 2 date is causing some crazy last minute spending.

Definitely. Just look at what Concepcion, the Yankee Cuban signee and Soler have gotten in the run up to 7/2.

[Vinestal]

How do you spend 40 million on a player you haven't even seen in game action? This seems very unwise to me. :-k

[dew1679666265]

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

 

I'd agree with you if Theo/Freidman/etc had given him that type of contract. Those regimes have the scouts I trust to fly in the face of all other reports. Given that it's Ned Colletti's regime, I have my doubts that he didn't just overreact.

[Tryptamine]

I think this has disaster written all over it. Nearly 150% of what Soler got and I haven't heard anyone say his ceiling is even close. Of course then again I've seen Puig scouting reports that contradict each other all over the place. Some where he has plus plus power, some where he's just a so so talent, some where he's the fastest player in Cuban baseball.

[davell]

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

 

I'd agree with you if Theo/Freidman/etc had given him that type of contract. Those regimes have the scouts I trust to fly in the face of all other reports. Given that it's Ned Colletti's regime, I have my doubts that he didn't just overreact.

Logan White, their scouting director, has as good of a reputation, as anyone on the scouting side. Granted, Wilken doesn't seem to have very much input on our Latin American operations, so I don't have a clue as to whether he was even in on this move or not. If so, I'd feel much better if I were a Dodger fan. If not, it's possibly just a mess.

[Guest]

Then maybe I worded it badly. Or maybe it just is bad logic.

 

But when I read tweets that make the guy sound like a marginal prospect, and then he gets paid 35% more than Soler did, my first reaction isn't "Ha ha, the Dodgers spent $42 million on a marginal prospect."

 

I'd agree with you if Theo/Freidman/etc had given him that type of contract. Those regimes have the scouts I trust to fly in the face of all other reports. Given that it's Ned Colletti's regime, I have my doubts that he didn't just overreact.

Logan White, their scouting director, has as good of a reputation, as anyone on the scouting side. Granted, Wilken doesn't seem to have very much input on our Latin American operations, so I don't have a clue as to whether he was even in on this move or not. If so, I'd feel much better if I were a Dodger fan. If not, it's possibly just a mess.

 

The Dodgers had been one of the stingiest teams in Latin America the past few years. I doubt Logan White has dabbled in international scouting.