Hypothetical Castro trades that'll never happen

[bukie]

Strasburg is too risky, not sure on most of the others, but a definite no with him.

 

Why is Strasburg risky? Because he got Tommy John? Half the pitchers in the league have Tommy John.

 

PS I would trade Starlin for Stanton. Dude's a legit beast, on pace for a 40 HR season with a .970 OPS and he's only 22.

I wouldn't trade Castro for Strasburg because I'd prefer to just keep the younger player.

[Guest]

Strasburg is too risky, not sure on most of the others, but a definite no with him.

 

Why is Strasburg risky? Because he got Tommy John? Half the pitchers in the league have Tommy John.

 

PS I would trade Starlin for Stanton. Dude's a legit beast, on pace for a 40 HR season with a .970 OPS and he's only 22.

 

I've heard stuff about his delivery before and that he's injuries waiting to happen. That's all I can really recall though.

 

That and just the young pitchers being risky in general.

[javy knows my name]

Inverted W. Many scouts believe that he's basically on borrowed time until the next injury.

[SouthSideRyan]

Inverted W. Many scouts believe that he's basically on borrowed time until the next injury.

 

I'll never doubt Sulley again.

[dew1679666265]

No to Verlander, yes to Kershaw. Honestly, if arms were the target, I would be seeing what the Diamondbacks would give up. Bauer, Skaggs, Bradley. Hell, now that I am typing this, I don't know if I would pull the trigger for all three. I would definitely want a bat.

 

Any Castro trade with Arizona would have to start with Justin Upton and include at least one, if not two, of Bauer and Skaggs. And then a couple more low level pieces.

[sneakypower]

Strasburg is too risky, not sure on most of the others, but a definite no with him.

 

Why is Strasburg risky? Because he got Tommy John? Half the pitchers in the league have Tommy John.

 

PS I would trade Starlin for Stanton. Dude's a legit beast, on pace for a 40 HR season with a .970 OPS and he's only 22.

 

I've heard stuff about his delivery before and that he's injuries waiting to happen. That's all I can really recall though.

 

That and just the young pitchers being risky in general.

specifically:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7712916/tommy-john-surgery-keeps-pitchers-game-address-underlying-biomechanical-flaw-espn-magazine

 

the thinking now is more that the inverted W isn't really the issue for pitchers; these elbow injuries are more about bad balance and timing issues putting undue strain on the ligaments

[pitchcs]

No to Verlander, yes to Kershaw. Honestly, if arms were the target, I would be seeing what the Diamondbacks would give up. Bauer, Skaggs, Bradley. Hell, now that I am typing this, I don't know if I would pull the trigger for all three. I would definitely want a bat.

 

Any Castro trade with Arizona would have to start with Justin Upton and include at least one, if not two, of Bauer and Skaggs. And then a couple more low level pieces.

 

I really don't think so.

 

Upton/Bauer >> Starlin

[dew1679666265]

I really don't think so.

 

Upton/Bauer >> Starlin

 

Upton is 25, is due $39 million total the next 3 years, is 3 years away from FA, and Zips projects him to be a 3.8 WAR player in RF this year.

 

Starlin is 22, is due a fraction of Upton's cost the next 4 years, is 4 years away from FA, and Zips projects hims to be a 4.0 WAR player at SS this year.

 

Starlin's significantly more valuable than Upton. It's a bit closer than I thought originally, though, so I'd probably settle at Upton and one of Bauer/Skaggs and maybe a low level piece. If they don't want to do that, I very happily just keep Starlin. As others have noted, I really think Starlin's value is being pretty heavily underrated in this thread.

[Clem Fandango]

From MLBTR. A quote by Castro on the rumor...

 

"If I'd known that, it would have made me think about it," said Castro to reporters (including Paul Sullivan of The Chicago Tribune) when asked about the trade rumors. "That's what I want — to be here all my career. I don't want to go anywhere. I have my family here. I don't want to be traded."

 

Yay

[mookie]

Swoon.

 

:blush:

[TheClash]

You know, trading Castro would be a bright move if we got a good haul. He's a terrible defender, going to be expensive in his prime (if only because he's a shortstop who hits .310), who doesn't know that four pitches mean you get on base and will probably play third for almost all -- if not all -- of his thirties. I mean Castro's a good player and all, but he's never going to be as good as people around baseball think he is. He's a two tool player (average and speed). He's pretty lackluster outside of that and he's going to be paid because he can hit .310, even if his obp is under .350.

 

Dont get me wrong, hes a good player but he will never be a guy to build your team around and is a great guy to have around as your second or third best position player. No team will ever make the playoffs if Castro is their best player.

[SouthSideRyan]

No.

[Guest]

You know, trading Castro would be a bright move if we got a good haul. He's a terrible defender, going to be expensive in his prime (if only because he's a shortstop who hits .310), who doesn't know that four pitches mean you get on base and will probably play third for almost all -- if not all -- of his thirties. I mean Castro's a good player and all, but he's never going to be as good as people around baseball think he is. He's a two tool player (average and speed). He's pretty lackluster outside of that and he's going to be paid because he can hit .310, even if his obp is under .350.

 

Dont get me wrong, hes a good player but he will never be a guy to build your team around and is a great guy to have around as your second or third best position player. No team will ever make the playoffs if Castro is their best player.

 

Why do you think he's a terrible defender?

[Sammy Sofa]

There's so many questions that could be asked.

[javy knows my name]

You know, trading Castro would be a bright move if we got a good haul. He's a terrible defender, going to be expensive in his prime (if only because he's a shortstop who hits .310), who doesn't know that four pitches mean you get on base and will probably play third for almost all -- if not all -- of his thirties. I mean Castro's a good player and all, but he's never going to be as good as people around baseball think he is. He's a two tool player (average and speed). He's pretty lackluster outside of that and he's going to be paid because he can hit .310, even if his obp is under .350.

 

Dont get me wrong, hes a good player but he will never be a guy to build your team around and is a great guy to have around as your second or third best position player. No team will ever make the playoffs if Castro is their best player.

 

Why do you think he's a terrible defender?

 

He was looking in the other direction that one time.

[Vanilla Ice]

 

Dont get me wrong, hes a great guy to have around as your second or third best position player. No team will ever make the playoffs if Castro is their best player.

Even pretending that this is true, what a shitty reason to trade a cheap 22 year old.

[Sammy Sofa]

He's right; the Cubs need to go after those good to great players who WON'T be expensive in their prime.

[Guest]

Why worry if he's going to have to play third base eight years from now?

[Vanilla Ice]

He's right; the Cubs need to go after those good to great players who WON'T be expensive in their prime.

And only the ones who are good enough to be the best player on the team

[abuck1220]

heyman was just on mlb network saying that castro could be traded since he's going to get expensive soon and that might not fit into the cubs' plans. i'm sorry, but if the cubs can't afford castro by the time he gets "expensive," ricketts must have had one hell of a drunken day at the track or something. i better never see the day where the cubs are dumping guys before they hit free agency because their arb years get too pricey. get real.

[17 Seconds]

i gave up on the mlb network about 3 months in. that network is like cubs.com brought to life

[CyHawk_Cub]

heyman was just on mlb network saying that castro could be traded since he's going to get expensive soon and that might not fit into the cubs' plans. i'm sorry, but if the cubs can't afford castro by the time he gets "expensive," ricketts must have had one hell of a drunken day at the track or something. i better never see the day where the cubs are dumping guys before they hit free agency because their arb years get too pricey. get real.

 

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't Heyman say just the other day that Castro was one of the young guys who will be a building block for the future? If so, then he's as much of a dolt as I thought he was. Equivocating is just his thing, I guess.

[Cubswin11]

Just lock this [expletive] thread

[Guest]

heyman was just on mlb network saying that castro could be traded since he's going to get expensive soon and that might not fit into the cubs' plans. i'm sorry, but if the cubs can't afford castro by the time he gets "expensive," ricketts must have had one hell of a drunken day at the track or something. i better never see the day where the cubs are dumping guys before they hit free agency because their arb years get too pricey. get real.

 

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't Heyman say just the other day that Castro was one of the young guys who will be a building block for the future? If so, then he's as much of a dolt as I thought he was. Equivocating is just his thing, I guess.

 

Yes, he said both of those today.

[Guest]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but didn't expect to read this from @TheKapman...doesn't fit his, uh, usual agenda.

 

1. Starlin Castro

 

Yes, I said it. Starlin Castro. He may seem uninterested or mentally removed at times, but the Cubs shortstop is young and wonderfully talented. He has the perfect combination for Theo's master plan and the newly dubbed "Cubs Way." Castro has had an up-and-down season at the plate but he has grinded his way to a respectable .308 batting average. What is most encouraging about the young shortstop is his new found confidence in the field. A handful of situational blunders aside, Castro appears to be getting to balls in the hole, taking charge on shallow pop-ups and minimizing errors on easy plays, something that plagued him in the past. More likely than not Castro is one of the few faces from the 2012 team who will remain after the massive roster overhaul is complete. Castro may not appear to be maturing much, but he is compartmentalizing his successes and failures.

 

Players will slump at times and make errors at others, but Castro does not seem to let one affect the other which is a promising sign for such a young ballplayer. His ability to differentiate the good from the bad shows signs of growth and leadership. Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein could build the youngest, most talented team in the league, but without a leader the roster revamp could be all for naught. Right now Castro is learning to deal with a lot of Cubs adversity, but that may not necessarily be a bad thing. In 2014, when the pieces begin to fall in place, Castro will know what it felt like to be a part of the worst team in baseball. This is something he can use to motivate himself and his future teammates. If for some reason you are looking to buy a Cubs jersey, make sure it has a No. 13 on the back. I have a feeling he will be around for a while.

 

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Five-positives-to-take-from-the-Cubs-bru?blockID=723580&feedID=9399

 

 

Granted, there's a whole lot of meatball in there, but still surprising to me.