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Arguably the greatest closer of all time tore his ACL today while shagging balls in the outfield during Yankees batting practice. He's 42, and that injury takes nearly a year to recover from. I'm not a Yankee fan by any stretch, but I could never find it in myself to hate on Mo. He seemed like a good dude, and it sucks if that's how his career has to end.

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7888133/mariano-rivera-new-york-yankees-carted-field-apparent-knee-injury

 

edited because i tipe gud

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That's pretty devastating. Crazy how I basically got to see entire career of Rivera, Pettite, Jeter, Posada, and the vast majority of Williams'. I guess that's not so crazy...all it required was being alive, having a TV, and living in the general area of where they play baseball.

 

I have to hope he stem cells it up and comes back. They're the future, today!

 

Robertson should be a quality successor for them. Time to dangle Marmol? They won't bite, but imagine!

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Remember when he was stuck behind John Wetteland for the closer spot? Good times

 

Stuck? He was a set-up man for a year and a half. And he probably had his best season in that one full year as a set-up man.

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Remember when he was stuck behind John Wetteland for the closer spot? Good times

 

Stuck? He was a set-up man for a year and a half. And he probably had his best season in that one full year as a set-up man.

 

And Wetteland was really good during that time as well.

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Is it even arguable as far as him being the greatest closer ever?

 

there's probably an argument to be made for best pitcher of all time, starter or reliever.

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Is it even arguable as far as him being the greatest closer ever?

 

there's probably an argument to be made for best pitcher of all time, starter or reliever.

 

No.

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Is it even arguable as far as him being the greatest closer ever?

 

there's probably an argument to be made for best pitcher of all time, starter or reliever.

 

No.

 

yes

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Is it even arguable as far as him being the greatest closer ever?

 

there's probably an argument to be made for best pitcher of all time, starter or reliever.

 

No.

 

yes

 

Clemens and Maddux each threw more than 4 times as many innings as Rivera has. You've gotta be some kind of special, and really think highly of 9th inning leverage for Rivera to get close to them.

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Career WAR from Baseball-Reference:

 

Rivera - 58

Maddux - 103.6

Clemens - 142.8

 

I just made up a statistic

 

IP per win above replacement:

 

Rivera - 21.1

Clemens - 34.4

Maddux - 48.3

 

(i dont really believe Rivera had a better career than those 2, just thought it was interesting)

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there's an argument to be made.

 

I mean the argument would be idiotic and only made by an idiot, but it's there to be made for sure

 

i agree.

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Career WAR from Baseball-Reference:

 

Rivera - 58

Maddux - 103.6

Clemens - 142.8

 

I just made up a statistic

 

IP per win above replacement:

 

Rivera - 21.1

Clemens - 34.4

Maddux - 48.3

 

(i dont really believe Rivera had a better career than those 2, just thought it was interesting)

 

Well of course that'll favor Rivera. You're pretty much removing the value of innings pitched by doing that.

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Is it even arguable as far as him being the greatest closer ever?

 

there's probably an argument to be made for best pitcher of all time, starter or reliever.

 

No.

 

yes

 

Clemens and Maddux each threw more than 4 times as many innings as Rivera has. You've gotta be some kind of special, and really think highly of 9th inning leverage for Rivera to get close to them.

 

you don't have to convince me.

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"advanced scouts that watched rivera shag fly balls regarded him as the best cf in the league" - buster olney

 

what the [expletive]?

Yeah, that's just asinine.

 

But this is a shame, easily the greatest reliever of all-time. No way for a career to end.

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"advanced scouts that watched rivera shag fly balls regarded him as the best cf in the league" - buster olney

 

what the [expletive]?

Yeah, that's just asinine.

 

But this is a shame, easily the greatest reliever of all-time. No way for a career to end.

It's not at all true. I am willing to bet Olney made that crap up knowing that no one would even bother to check.

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