Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[A New Era]

It'll be another stalemate. Dodgers don't want to offer any real value and Theo is not going to cave in.

When Jim Hendry encountered a stalemate, he ate it.

 

Is that because he's fat?

 

If so, I get it.

 

Don't forget it was also STALE. Lol that was funny.

[jersey cubs fan]

why would a fat person allow a potential source of calories to go stale in the first place? Wouldn't they just devour it sooner?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

why would a fat person allow a potential source of calories to go stale in the first place? Wouldn't they just devour it sooner?

some mates are naturally stale

[abohnhoff]

Unfortunately, if the Cubs offered Dempster $12.5 million arbitration in the offseason, he would likely accept it.

 

Could be a VERY interesting atmosphere at Wrigley on Tuesday if Dempster is the Cubs starting pitcher.

[XZero771679666304]

Unfortunately, if the Cubs offered Dempster $12.5 million arbitration in the offseason, he would likely accept it.

 

Could be a VERY interesting atmosphere at Wrigley on Tuesday if Dempster is the Cubs starting pitcher.

 

I think Dempster would (if he and his agent are smart) accept whatever trade the Cubs put on the table today/tomorrow. He's having his best season and his last chance for a decent multi-year deal. If the Cubs make the qualifiying offer, no one will touch him, and there's little chance he has as good a season next year.

[El Duderino]

@BleacherNation

 

RT @jaysonst One exec who spoke with #Nationals says:"If I looked up and saw that Washington traded for Dempster it wouldn't be a surprise"

[mookie]

If Dempster goes to the Nationals, it would force me to still root for him. That [expletive].

[Little Slide Rooter]

Unfortunately, if the Cubs offered Dempster $12.5 million arbitration in the offseason, he would likely accept it.

 

Could be a VERY interesting atmosphere at Wrigley on Tuesday if Dempster is the Cubs starting pitcher.

 

Again, why do people keep acting as though 1 more year of for 12.5 M would be such an awful thing? Assuming we have any chance of contending, it would be great to come back with something similar to our current rotation and a big bat or two in the mix. Sure, I'd rather get a shiny new prospect or two, but I'd much prefer Dempster for a year than whatever junk the Dodgers want to give us. The 2013 free agent pitching class once seemed plentiful, but in the end, I wouldnt be surprised if it was highlighted by Marcum, McCarthy, and Peavy, all of whom have notable injury histories.

[PrimeTime]

Doubt Whinin' Ryan would approve that trade.

[davell]

Unfortunately, if the Cubs offered Dempster $12.5 million arbitration in the offseason, he would likely accept it.

 

Could be a VERY interesting atmosphere at Wrigley on Tuesday if Dempster is the Cubs starting pitcher.

 

Again, why do people keep acting as though 1 more year of for 12.5 M would be such an awful thing? Assuming we have any chance of contending, it would be great to come back with something similar to our current rotation and a big bat or two in the mix. Sure, I'd rather get a shiny new prospect or two, but I'd much prefer Dempster for a year than whatever junk the Dodgers want to give us. The 2013 free agent pitching class once seemed plentiful, but in the end, I wouldnt be surprised if it was highlighted by Marcum, McCarthy, and Peavy, all of whom have notable injury histories.

 

You kind of made your own point there, didn't you? We are NOT contending next year. There's not nearly enough talent available thru FA and our system isn't good enough yet to produce multiple superstars coming our way via trade. therefore, even an arm like Gould(who's a kick in the nuts compared to Delgado, but still) means more to us than someone like Dempster putting up a solidish season next year for us at the major league level, when all it's doing is costing us IFA money and draft positioning.

[XZero771679666304]

Doubt Whinin' Ryan would approve that trade.

 

I'm not sure Demp wants to play chicken with Theo/Jed. He's worththe 12.5 for one year, so the question becomes is whether it's more important for him to avoid spending 8-10 weeks in a non-L.A. city or to have his last best chance at the open market.

 

I really think that he'll accept whatever trade (to a contender) he is presented with in the 11th hour. You know his agent will be leaning on him to do so, and he's fresh out of the warm fuzzies in Chicago.

Edited July 30, 2012 by XZero77

[ctcf]

DKnobler @DKnobler

Still most likely that Dempster ends up with Dodgers, but Nationals do have some interest (although not certain he would accept).

[El Duderino]

The Nationals have Alex Meyer and that's about it. Solis and Purke are huge injury concerns.

[XZero771679666304]

Unfortunately, if the Cubs offered Dempster $12.5 million arbitration in the offseason, he would likely accept it.

 

Could be a VERY interesting atmosphere at Wrigley on Tuesday if Dempster is the Cubs starting pitcher.

 

Again, why do people keep acting as though 1 more year of for 12.5 M would be such an awful thing? Assuming we have any chance of contending, it would be great to come back with something similar to our current rotation and a big bat or two in the mix. Sure, I'd rather get a shiny new prospect or two, but I'd much prefer Dempster for a year than whatever junk the Dodgers want to give us. The 2013 free agent pitching class once seemed plentiful, but in the end, I wouldnt be surprised if it was highlighted by Marcum, McCarthy, and Peavy, all of whom have notable injury histories.

 

You kind of made your own point there, didn't you? We are NOT contending next year. There's not nearly enough talent available thru FA and our system isn't good enough yet to produce multiple superstars coming our way via trade. therefore, even an arm like Gould(who's a kick in the nuts compared to Delgado, but still) means more to us than someone like Dempster putting up a solidish season next year for us at the major league level, when all it's doing is costing us IFA money and draft positioning.

 

 

I'd prefer Webster, but I agree that Gould is above the "worth it to trade him" threshold. He's a guy I remember being discussed before the Delgado fiasco made us all starry-eyed.

[KingCubsFan]

The Nationals have Alex Meyer and that's about it. Solis and Purke are huge injury concerns.

Alex Meyer is better than whatever the Dodgers are reportedly offering

[Guest]

You kind of made your own point there, didn't you? We are NOT contending next year. There's not nearly enough talent available thru FA and our system isn't good enough yet to produce multiple superstars coming our way via trade. therefore, even an arm like Gould(who's a kick in the nuts compared to Delgado, but still) means more to us than someone like Dempster putting up a solidish season next year for us at the major league level, when all it's doing is costing us IFA money and draft positioning.

 

Here's a fun exercise. Let's say both Dempster and Garza come back next year, and start forecasting WAR:

 

Soto/Castillo/Clevenger - 2

Rizzo - 5

Barney - 2.5

Castro - 4

3B - 2

Soriano - 3

CF/RF - 2

DeJesus - 1.5

 

Dempster - 3

Garza - 3

Shark - 3

Wood - 2

Maholm - 2

 

I think that everyone would agree that with the exception of Rizzo(who is currently playing at a 6 win pace), those are pretty conservative estimates. Filling holes with league average performance, forecasting slight regression from many guys, etc. The thing is, with an average bench/bullpen, that team is in the hunt for a wild card berth. Are they going to win 95 games and enslave the National League? No. Are they talented enough to be in contention and ride unexpected performance or a better than forecasted acquisition to the playoffs? Without a doubt. Now to be clear, that should not be the goal, the idea is to make lasting upgrades and build that 95 win team. But the point is that this is not a hopeless team that gets no benefit from anyone playing 2013 as their last year under contract.

[El Duderino]

The Nationals have Alex Meyer and that's about it. Solis and Purke are huge injury concerns.

Alex Meyer is better than whatever the Dodgers are reportedly offering

 

I agree, and can't see them parting with him for Dempster. I don't see Nationals as a fit at all unless he's on the table.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I feel like we've done that before. If all our marginal guys turn in average seasons, and we don't think about the bullpen, it might turn out okay.

 

Of course, it might have turned out okay this year too if a few more things had gone our way.

[ctcf]

The Nationals have Alex Meyer and that's about it. Solis and Purke are huge injury concerns.

Alex Meyer is better than whatever the Dodgers are reportedly offering

 

I agree, and can't see them parting with him for Dempster. I don't see Nationals as a fit at all unless he's on the table.

 

It'd definitely be an all-in move for them and would hamper the Dodgers and Braves.

[illiniguy]

I feel like we've done that before. If all our marginal guys turn in average seasons, and we don't think about the bullpen, it might turn out okay.

 

Of course, it might have turned out okay this year too if a few more things had gone our way.

Ok, it didn't go well this year. Would you say at this point you are much more excited about our team going forward than you were last year at the same time?

[Guest]

I feel like we've done that before. If all our marginal guys turn in average seasons, and we don't think about the bullpen, it might turn out okay.

 

Of course, it might have turned out okay this year too if a few more things had gone our way.

 

Rizzo being a lineup anchor makes a big difference. But even then, that hypothetical makes the only acquisitions of the offseason a 2 win 3B and a 2 win CF. There's plenty of room to make significant improvements beyond that level.

[XZero771679666304]

The Nationals have Alex Meyer and that's about it. Solis and Purke are huge injury concerns.

Alex Meyer is better than whatever the Dodgers are reportedly offering

 

I agree, and can't see them parting with him for Dempster. I don't see Nationals as a fit at all unless he's on the table.

 

It'd definitely be an all-in move for them and would hamper the Dodgers and Braves.

 

It might also allow them to cut back Strasburg's regular season IP without suffering a huge dropoff in performance. That said, I'm not sure I see them giving up Meyer.

[Vanilla Ice]

You kind of made your own point there, didn't you? We are NOT contending next year. There's not nearly enough talent available thru FA and our system isn't good enough yet to produce multiple superstars coming our way via trade. therefore, even an arm like Gould(who's a kick in the nuts compared to Delgado, but still) means more to us than someone like Dempster putting up a solidish season next year for us at the major league level, when all it's doing is costing us IFA money and draft positioning.

 

Here's a fun exercise. Let's say both Dempster and Garza come back next year, and start forecasting WAR:

 

Soto/Castillo/Clevenger - 2

Rizzo - 5

Barney - 2.5

Castro - 4

3B - 2

Soriano - 3

CF/RF - 2

DeJesus - 1.5

 

Dempster - 3

Garza - 3

Shark - 3

Wood - 2

Maholm - 2

 

I think that everyone would agree that with the exception of Rizzo(who is currently playing at a 6 win pace), those are pretty conservative estimates. Filling holes with league average performance, forecasting slight regression from many guys, etc. The thing is, with an average bench/bullpen, that team is in the hunt for a wild card berth. Are they going to win 95 games and enslave the National League? No. Are they talented enough to be in contention and ride unexpected performance or a better than forecasted acquisition to the playoffs? Without a doubt. Now to be clear, that should not be the goal, the idea is to make lasting upgrades and build that 95 win team. But the point is that this is not a hopeless team that gets no benefit from anyone playing 2013 as their last year under contract.

Why would you project next years lineup without including one of our two all-stars?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I feel like we've done that before. If all our marginal guys turn in average seasons, and we don't think about the bullpen, it might turn out okay.

 

Of course, it might have turned out okay this year too if a few more things had gone our way.

Ok, it didn't go well this year. Would you say at this point you are much more excited about our team going forward than you were last year at the same time?

 

Maybe? That's the best answer I can give. A lot depends on how interested Epstein and such are in trying to upgrade. Samardzija and Rizzo have taken big leaps forward, and I'm a bit more comfortable with Barney being able to stay in the .680 OPS range.

 

I'm just saying that going into this season, we had a lot of WAR lists that penciled Marlon Byrd in for 3, our catchers in for 2, Stewart and Volstad for 1.5, and we figured the bullpen might be okay.

[illiniguy]

I feel like we've done that before. If all our marginal guys turn in average seasons, and we don't think about the bullpen, it might turn out okay.

 

Of course, it might have turned out okay this year too if a few more things had gone our way.

Ok, it didn't go well this year. Would you say at this point you are much more excited about our team going forward than you were last year at the same time?

 

Maybe? That's the best answer I can give. A lot depends on how interested Epstein and such are in trying to upgrade. Samardzija and Rizzo have taken big leaps forward, and I'm a bit more comfortable with Barney being able to stay in the .680 OPS range.

 

I'm just saying that going into this season, we had a lot of WAR lists that penciled Marlon Byrd in for 3, our catchers in for 2, Ian Stewart and Ian Stewart for 1.5, and we figured the bullpen might be okay.

I think we've added young talent. Rizzo, Soler, and torreyes. Baez has been as good as we could have hoped for. This years draft looks great so far. Now all we need to do is start adding upside arms. I can't believe anyone could look at the strides we've made in on year and not see we have the right people running thngs.