Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Backtobanks]

quote="David"]

I'd be okay with it, too, but I don't for a minute believe it. Any correlation between the truth and what the Cubs' front office leaks this close to the trading deadline is a coincidence.

 

Yea. I think it was pretty much a non-answer.

 

The article mentioned keeping their options open (trading him), so it was pretty much a non-answer.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd be okay with it, too, but I don't for a minute believe it. Any correlation between the truth and what the Cubs' front office leaks this close to the trading deadline is a coincidence.

 

Yea. I think it was pretty much a non-answer.

 

The article mentioned keeping their options open (trading him), so it was pretty much a non-answer.

 

JIMMY WOULDN'T DO THAT

Edited May 29, 2012 by SouthSideRyan

[Guest]

Jimmy was a straight shooter.

[Tryptamine]

Comment From Admiral Ackbar

Snider and Syndegaard enough for Dempster? Enough for Theo?

 

 

 

Dave Cameron:

No.

 

If the Cubs got Syndergaard for half a season of Ryan Dempster..........

[davell]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

 

I mean, whatever it's Dempster, but that's far from an OH MY GOD package. I think I'd rather have a draft pick.

[Guest]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

 

I mean, whatever it's Dempster, but that's far from an OH MY GOD package. I think I'd rather have a draft pick.

 

Isn't that harder to get now? (Can't remember the details)

[Guest]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

 

I mean, whatever it's Dempster, but that's far from an OH MY GOD package. I think I'd rather have a draft pick.

 

Syndergaard is a 19 year old sandwich pick currently incinerating the Midwest league. Why take the risk of not being able to get the pick, never mind the near certainty that the pick doesn't look as good as Syndergaard now?

[Guest]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

 

I mean, whatever it's Dempster, but that's far from an OH MY GOD package. I think I'd rather have a draft pick.

 

Syndergaard is a 19 year old sandwich pick currently incinerating the Midwest league. Why take the risk of not being able to get the pick, never mind the near certainty that the pick doesn't look as good as Syndergaard now?

 

Completely agreed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh my God. If we can get that, it needs to be done NOW.

 

I mean, whatever it's Dempster, but that's far from an OH MY GOD package. I think I'd rather have a draft pick.

 

Syndergaard is a 19 year old sandwich pick currently incinerating the Midwest league. Why take the risk of not being able to get the pick, never mind the near certainty that the pick doesn't look as good as Syndergaard now?

 

Completely agreed.

 

me three

[davell]

Syndergaard is probably a top 50 guy at the end of the year.

[Cubswin11]

Syndergaard is probably a top 50 guy at the end of the year.

So probably not a guy we get for Dempster alone for roughly half the season????? unless we add in a propsect of our own and probably some cash.

Edited May 31, 2012 by Cubswin11

[SouthSideRyan]

Incinerating? He's thrown 36 innings as a piggyback.

[jersey cubs fan]

Incinerating? He's thrown 36 innings as a piggyback.

 

In in those 36 innings he's got 48 K and only 11 BB.

[davell]

Draft picks are going to be much harder to come by, so I'm not even thinking Dempster's a possibility for us to get a comp pick for anyway. I can't see a team willing to give up it's 1st rounder to sign a 36 year old, unless he's a possible top 10 pitcher in baseball, which Dempster is not.

 

I think anything resembling a top 100 prospect in a deal for Dempster is pure gravy personally. I don't see teams offering that much, because they're not getting compensated in return at the end of the season. Whoever trades for him, may as well give him a 3 year dealm to try and get as much production as possible out of him.

 

Toronto has enough arms to where they could be the one team capable of offering something like this, but I can't see AA going through with it, unless he thought it'd definitely put them in the playoffs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Incinerating? He's thrown 36 innings as a piggyback.

 

In in those 36 innings he's got 48 K and only 11 BB.

 

Thanks.

[davell]

Evidently on Mike and Mike this morning, Olney said he expects Dempster to be the first big name dealt this year and it wouldn't surprise him if he's dealt in the next few weeks.

[davell]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

[rawaction]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

[Guest]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

Ethan Martin or Chris Reed?

[Little Slide Rooter]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

An organizational top prospect? I should hope that and then some. It's a very wide spectrum depending on the organization and which end of their top 10.

[davell]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

 

Webster has struggled in AA both half a season last year and also this year. Not sure how much I like him at this point. Personally, if I'm the Dodgers I'd rather MAKE someone give me a nice bat and overpay for it, than add a pitcher like Dempster. They have a very decent rotation 1-5 already, plus Eovaldi, who conceivably is already better than Harang right now.

[rawaction]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

Ethan Martin or Chris Reed?

 

Forgot about Martin. Not sure what to make of Reed just yet. Love his arm, but I'm unsure if he'll end up back at the back end of the bullpen like he was at Stanford. Kind of reminds me of Rich Hill a little, but not nearly the control issues that Rich had early in his career. Not really sure what the Dodgers are doing with his innings right now either. Went 7 a couple times, last 2 starts only 3 innings.

 

Ultimately, I guess a Rich Hill type with better control, would be pretty good return (as the top prospect in the deal) for 1/2 season of Dempster. I'm probably a little jaded by what Rich Hill became, but he was a pretty good prospect at one point.

[rawaction]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

 

Webster has struggled in AA both half a season last year and also this year. Not sure how much I like him at this point. Personally, if I'm the Dodgers I'd rather MAKE someone give me a nice bat and overpay for it, than add a pitcher like Dempster. They have a very decent rotation 1-5 already, plus Eovaldi, who conceivably is already better than Harang right now.

 

True on all points. Webster though has 4 pitches, including a really good sinking fastball. He's given up a lot of hits in AA, but his GB/FB rate has been over 2 since he moved up there. And it's typical for GB pitchers to give up a lot of hits. He still needs some refinement, but I'm intrigued by the 4-pitch mix, GB pitcher with over 8 K/9, and good enough control. Appears to have been unlucky with BABIP this year with a .306 BAA but almost a K per inning.

[Guest]

CubsDen is reporting Demp IS willing to accept a trade. Goldstein thinks Cubs can easily get an organizational top 10 prospect in a deal for him. Knobler, at Cbssports speculates Dodgers could be interested in him, evidently they preferred him to Lilly 2 summers ago, but Hendry pulled him back.

 

Any chance they give up Nate Eovaldi or Allen Webster? Doubt they give up Zach Lee, but the first 2 are ML ready starters with some upside. Eovaldi may be in the majors already, IIRC. Other than that, I don't see the Dodgers having any arms in the system that are really all the superior to the Cubs guys that are back-end of the rotation starters or late relievers. They don't have much in the way of hitting prospects either.

Ethan Martin or Chris Reed?

 

Forgot about Martin. Not sure what to make of Reed just yet. Love his arm, but I'm unsure if he'll end up back at the back end of the bullpen like he was at Stanford. Kind of reminds me of Rich Hill a little, but not nearly the control issues that Rich had early in his career. Not really sure what the Dodgers are doing with his innings right now either. Went 7 a couple times, last 2 starts only 3 innings.

 

Ultimately, I guess a Rich Hill type with better control, would be pretty good return (as the top prospect in the deal) for 1/2 season of Dempster. I'm probably a little jaded by what Rich Hill became, but he was a pretty good prospect at one point.

 

Reed does have a nice 3-pitch mix and could be a 2/3 starter if all goes right. I love Ethan Martin but he's still pretty raw.

 

I wouldn't complain about Martin or Reed but the thing is, with Zach Lee probably untouchable and Nate Eovaldi unlikely to be traded since he can help the big league squad, the Dodgers aren't a great trading partner.