Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[XZero771679666304]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

[Smack]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

So original

[Magnetic Curses]

also won a bunch of helms trophies

[Smack]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

 

I honestly wasn't around much during da bum's heyday so I'm no bum expert. All I can say is I'm posting facts to support my arguments. Thinking Keady is a coach that Purdue should be embarassed of somehow is just weird. He had success over an extended period of time in one of the toughest conferences in basketball.

[Smack]

also won a bunch of helms trophies

 

Don't you have some high school kids to harass on twitter?

[illiniguy]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

 

I honestly wasn't around much during da bum's heyday so I'm no bum expert. All I can say is I'm posting facts to support my arguments. Thinking Keady is a coach that Purdue should be embarassed of somehow is just weird. He had success over an extended period of time in one of the toughest conferences in basketball.

Never at any point did I say you should be embarrassed by him. I do think he was on the bubble a lot. Hence I said what I said about us being on the bubble recently.

[Magnetic Curses]

also won a bunch of helms trophies

 

Don't you have some high school kids to harass on twitter?

 

got all of my high school basketball harassing done early. time to harass regular jerks now.

[Smack]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

 

I honestly wasn't around much during da bum's heyday so I'm no bum expert. All I can say is I'm posting facts to support my arguments. Thinking Keady is a coach that Purdue should be embarassed of somehow is just weird. He had success over an extended period of time in one of the toughest conferences in basketball.

Never at any point did I say you should be embarrassed by him. I do think he was on the bubble a lot. Hence I said what I said about us being on the bubble recently.

 

Good grief. Almost every coach in NCAA history has been on the bubble a lot 'or worse'. It's a fatuous statement. I'll ask the question again, how many coaches have had more tournament appearances than Keady? He had 18 as a head coach, I forgot his Western Kentucky appearance. Unless you're arguing that being in the Top 3 of the B1G is on the bubble, 13 of his 17 appearances at Purdue (76%) were not bubble appearances. Unless you're at a blue blood program making the tournament at the rate Keady did is very good.

[XZero771679666304]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

 

I honestly wasn't around much during da bum's heyday so I'm no bum expert. All I can say is I'm posting facts to support my arguments. Thinking Keady is a coach that Purdue should be embarassed of somehow is just weird. He had success over an extended period of time in one of the toughest conferences in basketball.

 

The point isn't that Keady was an embarrassment (he wasn't). I think the point was that Purdue isn't an elite Big Ten program, and has as many or more middle of the pack, "bubble" finishes in its recent history than top of conference finishes. Bum famously tried to make a case that Purdue should be considered on the same level as Indiana, MSU, UM, etc. when it comes to basketball prestige (well, more precisely that it was somehow historically unbalanced to have Purdue and another one or two of them in the same conference division), and he made his "argument" primarily on the back of conference titles won before the shot clock era. It was a pathetic, flailing and delusional display.

 

To spell it out plainly, your program is in good shape, but isn't (or hasn't been) so good you can look down your noses at anyone else in the conference, save maybe PSU, Nebraska or NU.

[Exile on Waveland]

You haven't beaten Purdue since December of 2008, CELEBRATE!

 

It's tough to watch your team go from a national title contender to a perennial bubble squad at best. You'll get over it.

 

I also read we're a real contender for Lyle, so the inevitable question is who are plan B and C at this point, because that's who we'll end up with.

Maybe, if it comes down to us and Louisville I really think we might get him. Louisville has three other point guards that will be there when he gets to campus.

 

Wherever he goes, I hope his coach can fill the father-figure role he has been missing (he lives with his grandmother). Good kid, but needs to grow up (even more than most teenagers). Missed a big rivalry the other game and is currently suspended (though perhaps/evidently only for missing the team bus) (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/feb/12/harrison-routs-bosse-clinches-tie-siac-title-clinc/).

I keep hearing he got into a fight at school. But yeah, he needs a coach to help him grow up.

 

I've heard that too. It's one or the other evidently. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Sosa21MVP]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

Those are big shoes to fill. Smack has potential but I don't see bum potential in him.

[bcl412]

Woo hoo, Iowa didn't choke against Penn State. Almost did, but didn't.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Now playing the role of da bum...

 

 

About what I was thinking. This all sounds so very familiar...

 

I honestly wasn't around much during da bum's heyday so I'm no bum expert. All I can say is I'm posting facts to support my arguments. Thinking Keady is a coach that Purdue should be embarassed of somehow is just weird. He had success over an extended period of time in one of the toughest conferences in basketball.

Never at any point did I say you should be embarrassed by him. I do think he was on the bubble a lot. Hence I said what I said about us being on the bubble recently.

 

Keady is a great coach, but Painter is beginning to show cracks just like Weber did at Illinois. He benefited from a down IU and good talent in the region early on.

[Smack]

Keady is a great coach, but Painter is beginning to show cracks just like Weber did at Illinois. He benefited from a down IU and good talent in the region early on.

 

I'm definitely concerned that he's lost this year's team. I would be more concerned if he didn't have the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes. Six four star kids and Smotherman who has improved greatly this year. If you look at the stats since the B1G season began our freshmen are accounting for the majority of scoring, blocks, rebounds, assists, pretty much everything. There are usually 2-3 freshmen on the floor at a time and sometimes 4. He's suffering now for his failures in recruiting from 2009-2011.

[Smack]

Obviously the number of stars a player gets isn't the end all in recruiting (Oladipo with 3, Trey Burke with 3, Anthony Johnson with 4 for example...) but from 2008 - 2011 Painter got only three 4-star players in four full recruiting classes including Anthony Johnson who still has time to improve but hasn't impressed so far. He got more than that this year alone. His last good class before this year was 5 years ago. Those gaps can't happen.

[abuck1220]

Take out glen Robinson and look at the Keady years. Then see if you see what I meant.

1989 15-16

1990 22-8

1991 17-12

1992 18-15

1993 18-10

1997 18-12

1998 28-8

1999 21-13

2000 24-10

2001 17-15

2002 13-18

2003 19-11

2004 17-14

2005 7-21

 

Those are all bubble or worse years. The Glen Robinson years were obviously awesome though.

 

you realize illinois is no better over that span, right? especially since i'm going to arbitrarily take out the bill self years (obviously awesome though).

[illiniguy]

Take out glen Robinson and look at the Keady years. Then see if you see what I meant.

1989 15-16

1990 22-8

1991 17-12

1992 18-15

1993 18-10

1997 18-12

1998 28-8

1999 21-13

2000 24-10

2001 17-15

2002 13-18

2003 19-11

2004 17-14

2005 7-21

 

Those are all bubble or worse years. The Glen Robinson years were obviously awesome though.

 

you realize illinois is no better over that span, right? especially since i'm going to arbitrarily take out the bill self years (obviously awesome though).

 

97 22-10

98 23-10

99 14-18

00 22-10

04 26-7

05 37-2

06 26-7

07 23-12

08 16-19

09 24-10

 

Those were really our only bubble years in that time span. That's not really all that close to what Keady was doing. After that of course we were bubble central. I'm assuming you wouldn't count our probation era years, since you know we didn't have the full amount of scholarships and weren't allowed to play in the tourny.

[scarey]

To spell it out plainly, your program is in good shape, but isn't (or hasn't been) so good you can look down your noses at anyone else in the conference, save maybe PSU, Nebraska or NU.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this. I think this relates to Illinois too though and I think there's a couple of UofI fans that are dangerously close to being in the looking-down-your-noses crowd.

[illiniguy]

To spell it out plainly, your program is in good shape, but isn't (or hasn't been) so good you can look down your noses at anyone else in the conference, save maybe PSU, Nebraska or NU.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this. I think this relates to Illinois too though and I think there's a couple of UofI fans that are dangerously close to being in the looking-down-your-noses crowd.

I'm not trying to be. I just like to take shots at Weber anyway I can. Just went with the Purdue angle to fire up Smack.

[illiniguy]

Oh, and the MCDAA roster came out, Kentucky has 5 guys. Could add a 6th if they get Wiggins. The Big Ten has 1. Ugh, I sure hope we don't stop recruiting well. It is fun having the conference be this good again.

[scarey]

To spell it out plainly, your program is in good shape, but isn't (or hasn't been) so good you can look down your noses at anyone else in the conference, save maybe PSU, Nebraska or NU.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this. I think this relates to Illinois too though and I think there's a couple of UofI fans that are dangerously close to being in the looking-down-your-noses crowd.

I'm not trying to be. I just like to take shots at Weber anyway I can. Just went with the Purdue angle to fire up Smack.

 

 

I thought this may be the case and that's why I said dangerously close instead of lumping you in there outright.

[illiniguy]

To spell it out plainly, your program is in good shape, but isn't (or hasn't been) so good you can look down your noses at anyone else in the conference, save maybe PSU, Nebraska or NU.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this. I think this relates to Illinois too though and I think there's a couple of UofI fans that are dangerously close to being in the looking-down-your-noses crowd.

I'm not trying to be. I just like to take shots at Weber anyway I can. Just went with the Purdue angle to fire up Smack.

 

 

I thought this may be the case and that's why I said dangerously close instead of lumping you in there outright.

I watch my kids by myself on Thursday and Fridays. Sometimes when they nap I need something to do. ;)

[abuck1220]

so stop at '09, leave out 89-96 and look how good they are.

[illiniguy]

so stop at '09, leave out 89-96 and look how good they are.

89 and 90 were pretty good. one was a final four year. Then we got probation. No bubble there for obvious reasons. You can say a school is dirty for getting on probation, but you really can't then hold that probation record against them.

89 31-5

90 21-8

91 21-10

92 13-15

93 19-13

94 17-11

95 19-12

96 18-13

Thos are bubble years. Looks pretty similar to Purdue and that's while on probation. Does that hurt my argument?

Edited February 15, 2013 by illiniguy

[abuck1220]

amazing that one good week turns illinois bball fans into notre dame football fans.