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This we knew...

Gottlieb:

Or winner RT @jppalmCBS: He's not the most gracious loser. RT @GoodmanCBS: Tom Crean wanted NO part of that handshake with Thad Matta.

 

This I was unaware of...

Goodman:

So true. RT @BSnowScout: @GoodmanCBS They (Crean and Matta) don't like each other, even a little bit, very very mutual.

 

Matta is a sweaty goon I'd run past him too.

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Tom Crean thinks Illinois' white assistant with the buzzed head claps too much. Holy [expletive] between that guy and Groce all of the "clappy" and "spaz" stuff lobbed at Crean from you guys needs to be scrubbed from the internet.

Groce isn't creepy, were talking about the creepy now.

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This is the only loss where I didn't even imagine a loss could happen before the game started. Couldn't have picked a better script. Senior night for maybe the most important senior class in school history. Also potentially the final game for the biggest recruiting win in the school's history. A win would have given them a conference title, 20 years after their last outright title. It would have likely sealed up a first tourney weekend in nearby Dayton, OH. It would have sealed up basically a home game for the NCAA regionals. Have to win this game. Now face going into the post season losing 3 of 4 games after losing just 3 games to that point all season. Lose at Michigan and don't win the B1G tourney and they'll go from #1 overall seed to possibly a 2 seed.

 

IU evidently thought the season ended when they won at Michigan State; they have not been the same team since. However, regardless of the slumping play, the same issues are ever prevalent. You could tell within the first five minutes of that game that IU was going to struggle to win. Ohio State did a great job playing physical with IU, not letting IU get any offensive flow, and IU inevitably became stagnant (as they mostly do in the halfcourt). Play physical in the half court and you give IU issues (even better if you have a jump-shooting big man and can run pick-and-rolls with Zeller guarding him). It's why the second and/or third NCAA Tournament games could be nightmares for this team--possibly even harder than the next couple depending on who they play, if they happen to get that far.

 

Should be an interesting game this weekend, neither team is playing as well as when they met earlier in the season.

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What's with Creek playing more than 4 minutes this game?

 

Creek had not played more than seven minutes in any non-blowout and had not played more than five minutes in any single digit game. He had played a combined eight minutes the last three games. He played zero in IU's win at Ohio State. And yet he played seven minutes in a game IU was trying to win the outright Big Ten title--including being on the floor with under eight minutes remaining. I would really like someone to explain that to me, even though I know there is no rational reason besides caffeine.

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Apparently Crean showed up for the press conference at 1:37AM, more than 2 hours after the game ended. What a dickbag.
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What's with Creek playing more than 4 minutes this game?

 

Creek had not played more than seven minutes in any non-blowout and had not played more than five minutes in any single digit game. He had played a combined eight minutes the last three games. He played zero in IU's win at Ohio State. And yet he played seven minutes in a game IU was trying to win the outright Big Ten title--including being on the floor with under eight minutes remaining. I would really like someone to explain that to me, even though I know there is no rational reason besides caffeine.

 

I'd get it if he played significant minutes when Oladipo was out for half the first half, but this was just bizarre.

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LOL, Indiana hangs UPI and pre-season champs banners??

 

Those are remnants from the Knight-era. Knight only believed in banners for national achievements, eschewing banners even for Big Ten titles (with the exception being 1983). In general, I think this is a pretty difficult thing to complain about with IU, considering they've been probably the most discerning program when it comes to this (it's been awhile since I've been to most of these arenas, but I'm guessing IU was the only school that did not hang Big Ten banners, and may still be the only one without individualized Big Ten banners--the former may even be true for all programs across conferences).

 

This might be the last time I get to say this, however, as I'm pretty sure "participation ribbons" will soon be the order of the day.

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LOL, Indiana hangs UPI and pre-season champs banners??

 

Those are remnants from the Knight-era. Knight only believed in banners for national achievements, eschewing banners even for Big Ten titles (with the exception being 1983). In general, I think this is a pretty difficult thing to complain about with IU, considering they've been probably the most discerning program when it comes to this (it's been awhile since I've been to most of these arenas, but I'm guessing IU was the only school that did not hang Big Ten banners, and may still be the only one without individualized Big Ten banners--the former may even be true for all programs across conferences).

 

This might be the last time I get to say this, however, as I'm pretty sure "participation ribbons" will soon be the order of the day.

 

My point is most IU fans seem to think Purdue hanging a Helms banner is the height of comedy, and they have a UPI and pre-season champs (what is that even?) banner hanging in their gym.

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LOL, Indiana hangs UPI and pre-season champs banners??

 

Those are remnants from the Knight-era. Knight only believed in banners for national achievements, eschewing banners even for Big Ten titles (with the exception being 1983). In general, I think this is a pretty difficult thing to complain about with IU, considering they've been probably the most discerning program when it comes to this (it's been awhile since I've been to most of these arenas, but I'm guessing IU was the only school that did not hang Big Ten banners, and may still be the only one without individualized Big Ten banners--the former may even be true for all programs across conferences).

 

This might be the last time I get to say this, however, as I'm pretty sure "participation ribbons" will soon be the order of the day.

 

My point is most IU fans seem to think Purdue hanging a Helms banner is the height of comedy, and they have a UPI and pre-season champs (what is that even?) banner hanging in their gym.

 

I think the difference would be that Purdue fans tend to count the Helms title (which was voted on years later, after-the-fact) as an actual national championship and I've never heard a single IU fan count the UPI thing as anything worthwhile or even know that it really exists (it was voted on at the time, at least). Purdue has every right to hang the Helms banner--and, frankly, I would too--but it's not a "national championship" by any common understanding of that term for college basketball.

 

There is no "preseason" banner. There is an NIT banner, which includes both postseason and preseason NIT victories (Knight loved the NIT). The postseason NIT banner has been there since it was won, and IU then added the preseason NIT victories to the bottom of the NIT banner. IU has won other preseason tournaments and does not hang banners for them, so this is more accurately described as an "NIT banner" not a "preseason banner."

 

Basically, both the UPI and the (preseason) NIT banners were ways of recognizing teams that were very, very good but failed to win a national title and thus meet the standard Knight had personally set for hanging banners (at that point, IU did not hang Big Ten banners). They're both a bit of an historical oddity, and whether they should be there, or if I'd personally hang them, is different. Either way, IU has, to this point, been very discerning about when to hang banners and how many. (Though, again, I suspect that is about to change in a significant, disappointing way.)

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The final buzzer was IIRC somewhere between 11:05 and 11:15. Then I'm sure the speeches didn't start immediately, and from looking at a video someone put up it looks like they averaged about 12 minutes apiece (probably with some small amount of transitional time also needing to be added in). So it doesn't surprise me that it would be after midnight before the speeches were done. I hadn't heard they were also planning on cutting down the nets after that.

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KU does senior speeches. There was no formal time limit until Wayne Simien gave a 20 minute, wending, church-like sermon. Now I think self limits them to 3-5 minutes, thank God.
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KU does senior speeches. There was no formal time limit until Wayne Simien gave a 20 minute, wending, church-like sermon. Now I think self limits them to 3-5 minutes, thank God.

 

Wisconsin had them pre-record their speeches so they wouldn't ramble or get nervous. The game ended and within 5 minutes the videos were playing on the scoreboard with each one probably in that 3-5 minute range. The whole process took like 30 minutes top with 5 Seniors.

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KU does senior speeches. There was no formal time limit until Wayne Simien gave a 20 minute, wending, church-like sermon. Now I think self limits them to 3-5 minutes, thank God.

 

Wisconsin had them pre-record their speeches so they wouldn't ramble or get nervous. The game ended and within 5 minutes the videos were playing on the scoreboard with each one probably in that 3-5 minute range. The whole process took like 30 minutes top with 5 Seniors.

 

 

Do you think Kentucky pre-records their senior day speeches once the players sign their LOI's?

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