Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Game against Penn State at home in the middle of a blizzard. This has Illinois trap game written all over it.

[Magnetic Curses]

disgraceful show thus far. penn state curse

[illiniguy]

DJ has turned into a stud. Well done.

[illiniguy]

Laughable foul call on Henry.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

DJ has turned into a stud. Well done.

 

Amazing what happens when you aren't stuck running the baseline and spotting up from the corner on every possession.

[illiniguy]

DJ has turned into a stud. Well done.

 

Amazing what happens when you aren't stuck running the baseline and spotting up from the corner on every possession.

Brandon Paul has regressed big time this year though.

[Magnetic Curses]

i hate penn state.

[Magnetic Curses]

i really really hate penn state

[Magnetic Curses]

JUST [expletive] LOSE YOU ASSES

[Magnetic Curses]

and good Lord that pat chambers is a huge turd

[abuck1220]

dana altman must think you can carry timeouts over to your next game.

[biittner77]

i really really hate penn state

 

It's as though they exist just so there can be a team that's even less fun to watch than Wisconsin. At least losing to Wisconsin doesn't have that stench of missed opportunity.

[UMFan83]

i really really hate penn state

 

It's as though they exist just so there can be a team that's even less fun to watch than Wisconsin. At least losing to Wisconsin doesn't have that stench of missed opportunity.

 

It does when your team loses on a half court buzzer beater.

[Derwood]

How can you hate Penn State this year? They are completely terrible and have zero players who are even remotely dangerous. Once Frazier went down, their winlessness was sealed.

 

It's too bad that they probably won't luck into another Talor Battle

[biittner77]

i really really hate penn state

 

It's as though they exist just so there can be a team that's even less fun to watch than Wisconsin. At least losing to Wisconsin doesn't have that stench of missed opportunity.

 

It does when your team loses on a half court buzzer beater.

 

That happens sometimes in a conference game. But if you lose to Penn State in basketball at home, the coach should probably consider resigning in disgrace, the players should feel ashamed and the institution should at least consider disbanding the program.

[Exile on Waveland]

How can you hate Penn State this year? They are completely terrible and have zero players who are even remotely dangerous.

 

Because I consider most their players dangerous, literally. They seem to go out of their way to commit hard fouls and hack away, while Chambers looks on approvingly.

[CubInOK]

That happens sometimes in a conference game. But if you lose to Penn State in basketball at home, the coach should probably consider resigning in disgrace, the players should feel ashamed and the institution should at least consider disbanding the program.

I would say the same thing about losing to TCU.

[illiniguy]

That happens sometimes in a conference game. But if you lose to Penn State in basketball at home, the coach should probably consider resigning in disgrace, the players should feel ashamed and the institution should at least consider disbanding the program.

I would say the same thing about losing to TCU.

I think we all agree that Kansas should disband their program.

[pitchcs]

Let's face it, every big ten team save for 4 so far has had a period of struggles. It's fun.

 

Do you have some fundamental inability to process bad results for Michigan?

 

@IU

@Wisky

@MSU

 

Those aren't bad results to me, they are expected. Other teams have lost games they shouldn't have over a period.

 

Sorry that I think Michigan is better than IU

 

Sure, in a vacuum those three losses in five games don't look bad. But we are allowed to look deeper. One of those losses Michigan was absolutely , humiliatingly throat-stomped and quit on the game (a place where IU just won). The two wins were an overtime home win against a team you just previously stated is struggling, and an eight-point home win against winless Penn State (!). For a team of Michigan's caliber, they are unquestionably struggling. There's no reason to suspect they won't snap out of this and return to top-level form -- and I think they will beat IU -- but a struggle this is.

 

You can think Michigan is better than IU all you want -- I see little to support that, but whatever -- but I can't imagine even Michigan fans don't consider themselves in a little slump. It is ignoring that, not your opinion about who is better, that makes me question your ability to process Michigan's results.

 

 

It really boils down to one thing for me....PG.

 

There are going to be a few more teams able to give Indiana fits in the tournament than Michigan. Teams who play full court pressure D could really pose problems for Indiana come March. Louisville is certainly the first team that comes to mind, that would be a BAD matchup for the Hoosiers and likely eliminate them IMO. VCU is another team who would pose problems, they have the best on ball defender in the country.

[rawaction]

Let's face it, every big ten team save for 4 so far has had a period of struggles. It's fun.

 

Do you have some fundamental inability to process bad results for Michigan?

 

@IU

@Wisky

@MSU

 

Those aren't bad results to me, they are expected. Other teams have lost games they shouldn't have over a period.

 

Sorry that I think Michigan is better than IU

 

Sure, in a vacuum those three losses in five games don't look bad. But we are allowed to look deeper. One of those losses Michigan was absolutely , humiliatingly throat-stomped and quit on the game (a place where IU just won). The two wins were an overtime home win against a team you just previously stated is struggling, and an eight-point home win against winless Penn State (!). For a team of Michigan's caliber, they are unquestionably struggling. There's no reason to suspect they won't snap out of this and return to top-level form -- and I think they will beat IU -- but a struggle this is.

 

You can think Michigan is better than IU all you want -- I see little to support that, but whatever -- but I can't imagine even Michigan fans don't consider themselves in a little slump. It is ignoring that, not your opinion about who is better, that makes me question your ability to process Michigan's results.

 

 

It really boils down to one thing for me....PG.

 

There are going to be a few more teams able to give Indiana fits in the tournament than Michigan. Teams who play full court pressure D could really pose problems for Indiana come March. Louisville is certainly the first team that comes to mind, that would be a BAD matchup for the Hoosiers and likely eliminate them IMO. VCU is another team who would pose problems, they have the best on ball defender in the country.

 

IU has a lot of ball handlers though. Yogi, Hulls, Oladipo....even Watford and Zeller can handle if necessary. Teams have occasionally tried to press Yogi but this team passes the ball really well and the bigs run the court so well that they can really punish teams for pressing. Not saying IU wouldnt have trouble with either of those teams, but I don't think they will come close to falling apart when pressured.

 

Also worth noting is that IU really puts pressure on by inbounding the ball and getting upcourt very fast on made shots. A team thats been pressing all year like VCU has an advantage because thats how they play, but I don't think it would take a ton of time for IU to adjust and just get Zeller or Oladipo streaking to their basket consistently.

[Exile on Waveland]

Let's face it, every big ten team save for 4 so far has had a period of struggles. It's fun.

 

Do you have some fundamental inability to process bad results for Michigan?

 

@IU

@Wisky

@MSU

 

Those aren't bad results to me, they are expected. Other teams have lost games they shouldn't have over a period.

 

Sorry that I think Michigan is better than IU

 

Sure, in a vacuum those three losses in five games don't look bad. But we are allowed to look deeper. One of those losses Michigan was absolutely , humiliatingly throat-stomped and quit on the game (a place where IU just won). The two wins were an overtime home win against a team you just previously stated is struggling, and an eight-point home win against winless Penn State (!). For a team of Michigan's caliber, they are unquestionably struggling. There's no reason to suspect they won't snap out of this and return to top-level form -- and I think they will beat IU -- but a struggle this is.

 

You can think Michigan is better than IU all you want -- I see little to support that, but whatever -- but I can't imagine even Michigan fans don't consider themselves in a little slump. It is ignoring that, not your opinion about who is better, that makes me question your ability to process Michigan's results.

 

 

It really boils down to one thing for me....PG.

 

There are going to be a few more teams able to give Indiana fits in the tournament than Michigan. Teams who play full court pressure D could really pose problems for Indiana come March. Louisville is certainly the first team that comes to mind, that would be a BAD matchup for the Hoosiers and likely eliminate them IMO. VCU is another team who would pose problems, they have the best on ball defender in the country.

 

I'm not sure I could more vehemently disagree with this.

 

First, IU's point guard play is more than fine--they have a future NBA player at the position. Yogi Ferrell is not Trey Burke; however, Ferrell's efficiency numbers compare quite well with Burke's freshman campaign--offensive rating (107.2-105.3), effective field goal percentage (44.5-50.2), true shooting percentage (50.5-53.8), assist rate (26.3-28.7), and turnover rate (24.3-18.6) (certainly the usages rates differ greatly, 68.3-89.2). Ferrell is also an excellent defensive player.

 

Second, IU's weakness lies in teams that slow the game down and physically grind it out in the half-court--not teams that want to speed the game up. In a general recipe for attacking a press, IU has one excellent ballhandler, multiple shooters, two big men that can handle the ball, and the best big man in the nation running the court. As for the teams you mention, sure either could beat IU. Louisville is one of the best teams in the nation and top-three favorite to win the title. They're capable of beating anyone. VCU would be capable of beating IU--but IU beat them in the tournament last year without an NBA point guard (their point guard at the time, Jordan Hulls, is a player that struggles quite a bit while trapped/pressured). I don't, however, view either as an intrinsically bad matchup for IU.

 

Third, even assuming this is a weakness for IU, all teams have areas they can be exploited. Michigan is pretty reliant on jumpshots, their defense is less than elite, and their frontcourt is not great. I'd posit these issues are far more disconcerting than your speculative belief that IU might struggle against pressing teams (of which there are very few).

[SouthSideRyan]

Which of your 5'10" PGs is a future NBA player?

[SpongeWorthy]

According to the Demetri McCamey Draft Value Chart, Yogi Ferrell will sign a 10 year $300 million contract after going #1 overall.

[illiniguy]

According to the Demetri McCamey Draft Value Chart, Yogi Ferrell will sign a 10 year $300 million contract after going #1 overall.

You realize DMac lead the nation in assists and had NBA size right? What does yogi have that makes him an NBA point guard prospect? Or are you just trolling again?

[Magnetic Curses]

According to the Demetri McCamey Draft Value Chart, Yogi Ferrell will sign a 10 year $300 million contract after going #1 overall.

 

you're confusing ferrell with oladipo.