Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[bukie]

Yeah, Pomeroy's point was that the preseason polls are actually the most useful poll of the season in terms of assessing team quality.

[illiniguy]

Yeah, Pomeroy's point was that the preseason polls are actually the most useful poll of the season in terms of assessing team quality.

I wonder if that will change now that Cal gets all the one and done guys? It's hard to rank a team of all freshman number one before they have played a game.

[Guest]

Kentucky is #3 and had 2 first place votes, so I think they're considered sufficiently quality.

[illiniguy]

Kentucky is #3 and had 2 first place votes, so I think they're considered sufficiently quality.

Yeah and last year they were preseason 2. I guess it won't change it as much.

[radarluv1]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

[illiniguy]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

Depends on Egwu IMO. If he can be decent I think we will be good. If not, long year.

[Smack]

I keep reading mentions about big improvements from Egwu in the offseason.

[illiniguy]

I keep reading mentions about big improvements from Egwu in the offseason.

Yeah I do as well, but I'm going to need to see it in games. The last staff had a history of claiming how great everyone was in practice. As a result I'm a bit gun shy.

[Guest]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

 

Having seen a pretty similar situation last year, I really think you need to see how the roster adapts to the new coaching staff's system. There was no reason to expect Mizzou to have the year they had last year, but they had some talent and experience and took off with a new system. I don't see why that couldn't happen to Illinois as well, although I wouldn't call it a likely outcome.

[illiniguy]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

 

Having seen a pretty similar situation last year, I really think you need to see how the roster adapts to the new coaching staff's system. There was no reason to expect Mizzou to have the year they had last year, but they had some talent and experience and took off with a new system. I don't see why that couldn't happen to Illinois as well, although I wouldn't call it a likely outcome.

You had a very good point guard surrounded with good shooters. Those things tend to work well regardless of the coach. See our 05 team. We don't have shooters and while I like Tracy, he isn't in pressey's league yet. Much different situation, IMO.

[Guest]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

 

Having seen a pretty similar situation last year, I really think you need to see how the roster adapts to the new coaching staff's system. There was no reason to expect Mizzou to have the year they had last year, but they had some talent and experience and took off with a new system. I don't see why that couldn't happen to Illinois as well, although I wouldn't call it a likely outcome.

You had a very good point guard though, surrounded with good shooters. Those things tend to work well regardless of the coach. See our 05 team. We don't have shooters and while I like Tracy, he isn't in pressey's league yet.

 

That's true, but Illinois's season would be a success with far less than the 30 wins Mizzou had last year, too.

[illiniguy]

Any chance UI is better than 9-10? Havent really looked at roster or thought much about this season yet. Looking for some optimism here.

 

Having seen a pretty similar situation last year, I really think you need to see how the roster adapts to the new coaching staff's system. There was no reason to expect Mizzou to have the year they had last year, but they had some talent and experience and took off with a new system. I don't see why that couldn't happen to Illinois as well, although I wouldn't call it a likely outcome.

You had a very good point guard though, surrounded with good shooters. Those things tend to work well regardless of the coach. See our 05 team. We don't have shooters and while I like Tracy, he isn't in pressey's league yet.

 

That's true, but Illinois's season would be a success with far less than the 30 wins Mizzou had last year, too.

Good point. I want 20 wins. We do that it was a good year on the court.

[Smack]

Gasser torn ACL for Wisconsin.

[Bruno7481]

Troy Williams to IU.

 

Hell ya.

[Smack]

Who has to go now? Hartman?

[rawaction]

Troy Williams to IU.

 

Hell ya.

 

Wow. Nice. Got a nice little pipeline starting from the VA/MD/NC area. Creek, Oladipo, Jurkin, now Williams.

[Bruno7481]

Troy Williams to IU.

 

Hell ya.

 

Wow. Nice. Got a nice little pipeline starting from the VA/MD/NC area. Creek, Oladipo, Jurkin, now Williams.

 

And Robinson.

[Bruno7481]

Who has to go now? Hartman?

 

Zeller

[SouthSideRyan]

Who has to go now? Hartman?

 

Zeller

 

Perhaps you didn't hear, education is very important to the Zeller family.

 

My guess is Harris turns pro after this season.

[bukie]

Basketball Prospectus projects the Big Ten:

 

Rank Team           CW   CL
1    Indiana        14    4
5    Michigan St.   13    5
8    Ohio St.       13    5
23   Minnesota      11    7
33   Wisconsin      10    8
44   Michigan        9    9
54   Illinois        9    9
64   Iowa            7   11
73   Purdue          7   11
88   Penn St.        6   12
102  Northwestern    6   12
151  Nebraska        3   15

 

Of course, the author explicitly stated that Michigan is probably far too low in the projection, because their projected defense is bad due to Beilein never having a good defensive system, and having a bunch of new players.

[Smack]

Basketball Prospectus projects the Big Ten:

 

Rank Team           CW   CL
1    Indiana        14    4
5    Michigan St.   13    5
8    Ohio St.       13    5
23   Minnesota      11    7
33   Wisconsin      10    8
44   Michigan        9    9
54   Illinois        9    9
64   Iowa            7   11
73   Purdue          7   11
88   Penn St.        6   12
102  Northwestern    6   12
151  Nebraska        3   15

 

Of course, the author explicitly stated that Michigan is probably far too low in the projection, because their projected defense is bad due to Beilein never having a good defensive system, and having a bunch of new players.

 

Do they have an archive of past projections?

 

edit: oh, and I wonder if this was done before Gasser tore his ACL?

[bukie]

Basketball Prospectus projects the Big Ten:

 

Rank Team           CW   CL
1    Indiana        14    4
5    Michigan St.   13    5
8    Ohio St.       13    5
23   Minnesota      11    7
33   Wisconsin      10    8
44   Michigan        9    9
54   Illinois        9    9
64   Iowa            7   11
73   Purdue          7   11
88   Penn St.        6   12
102  Northwestern    6   12
151  Nebraska        3   15

 

Of course, the author explicitly stated that Michigan is probably far too low in the projection, because their projected defense is bad due to Beilein never having a good defensive system, and having a bunch of new players.

 

Do they have an archive of past projections?

 

edit: oh, and I wonder if this was done before Gasser tore his ACL?

They did one for their printed production last year, but they're using a new methodology this year, using more coaching effects on defense. He ran the simulation this morning, so I'd assume he's not including Gasser's minutes in Wisconsin's projection.

[Exile on Waveland]

Who has to go now? Hartman?

 

Zeller

 

Technically, that may not be enough. IU is currently at thirteen scholarship players on the roster and now has a five-man recruiting class, meaning five spots must open. Three spots will open automatically upon graduation/eligibility fullfillment (Watford, Hulls, Elston). Zeller is pretty obviously leaving after this year (I mean, IU fans are laughed at when they predict he may return, so naturally Crean is preparing for Zeller's all-but-inevitable departure). That's four pretty certain departures. That doesn't include Creek, who could return for another year -- though when/if he is injured again, I'm guessing that will, sadly, officially end his basketball career. That would be the five requisite departures.

 

Personally, however, I think this is Oladipo's last season in an IU uniform -- he's scheduled to graduate this May (preemptively, because I know the troll will read this as "IU fans think Oladipo is a lottery pick ahaha"; that's not what I mean. I'm guessing, degree in hand, he decides to make money somewhere, be it NBA or Europe, playing basketball -- I thought Watford would do this last year, so my prediction skills are imperfect, but I think Oladipo a better prospect than Watford). That's also not counting the average attrition rate for division one programs of one transfer per year. Edit: Forgot to add that, as of now, neither international freshman (Perea and Jurkin) has been cleared academically (though I suspect they will).

Edited October 29, 2012 by Exile on Waveland

[Exile on Waveland]

I also think Michigan State is the second best team in the league.

[Smack]

I also think Michigan State is the second best team in the league.

 

I think that depends on Dawson's knee. If everything is good there they could be #2.