SUPER BOWL 46

[Soul]

Well nobody gives a [expletive] about cheerleaders, but how do you claim violence doesn't affect viewership.

 

If people were that hard up for violence wouldn't they be watching hockey, which is faster and bloodier?

 

No cheerleaders.

 

Seriously, there are guys, esp at the top of the NFL target age, for whom cheerleaders are still a big deal. These guys grew up when naked women were not a simple GIS away.

 

No cheerleaders aren't the primary reason for the NFL's popularity, but time of the week, time of the year, and violence are very very much so. And cheerleaders fit very nicely with that mix.

 

Fine, but what is the point of all this again? Who cares if there are cheerleaders or the NFL has violence in it?

 

Edit: and I don't mean I don't care about the effects of violence, but it's on every prime time TV show everywhere. So is sex. I'm not sure why this would become an issue specific to NFL discussion.

[Careless]

Boy, if I were to believe the things written here, I'd know that the Bears and Packers went out of business many years ago.

[SouthSideRyan]

Boy, if I were to believe the things written here, I'd know that the Bears and Packers went out of business many years ago.

 

Yes, there certainly are a lot of people saying that.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think the NFL is a pretty crappy product. Outside of the Bears and Tebow, I have little to no interest in watching a random game unless I'm at a bar. I wouldn't say the same about the other big 4 sports, plus the big 2 of NCAA.

 

ETA: It's not because Bradshaw should've taken a knee at the 1 though.

 

Agreed.

I have a lot of opinions about a lot of guys in the NFL (guys I love, guys I hate), so I have a rooting interest in a lot of games... and yet I still just can't make myself sit down for three and a half hours to watch non-Bears football.

I feel similarly about that, but I don't think it's because the NFL's a crappy product. It's just because I have better things to do than watch non-Panthers games on Sundays.

 

That's a damn dirty lie, Andrian.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm starting to rethink my joy at seeing the Patriots lose again, the train was packed with horrible parents letting their kids out of school to watch a parade today.

[biittner77]

I'm starting to rethink my joy at seeing the Patriots lose again, the train was packed with horrible parents letting their kids out of school to watch a parade today.

 

Something I never thought I'd ever see: Americans in general taking joy after a NY team beat a Boston team.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this earlier but, with this loss, the Pats have tied the record for most superbowls lost with 3

[Derwood]

I'm starting to rethink my joy at seeing the Patriots lose again, the train was packed with horrible parents letting their kids out of school to watch a parade today.

 

Something I never thought I'd ever see: Americans in general taking joy after a NY team beat a Boston team.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this earlier but, with this loss, the Pats have tied the record for most superbowls lost with 3

 

The Buffalo Bills say WHAAAAAA?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm starting to rethink my joy at seeing the Patriots lose again, the train was packed with horrible parents letting their kids out of school to watch a parade today.

 

Something I never thought I'd ever see: Americans in general taking joy after a NY team beat a Boston team.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this earlier but, with this loss, the Pats have tied the record for most superbowls lost with 3

 

They have 4, as do the Bills and Vikings

[jersey cubs fan]

Brady/Belichick have lost 2, while they also lost to Green Bay and the Bears.

[biittner77]

I'm starting to rethink my joy at seeing the Patriots lose again, the train was packed with horrible parents letting their kids out of school to watch a parade today.

 

Something I never thought I'd ever see: Americans in general taking joy after a NY team beat a Boston team.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this earlier but, with this loss, the Pats have tied the record for most superbowls lost with 3

 

They have 4, as do the Bills and Vikings

 

3 is the new 4, haven't you heard? I forgot all about the loss to the Packers.

[Tracer Bullet]

Well nobody gives a [expletive] about cheerleaders, but how do you claim violence doesn't affect viewership.

 

If people were that hard up for violence wouldn't they be watching hockey, which is faster and bloodier?

 

No cheerleaders.

 

Seriously, there are guys, esp at the top of the NFL target age, for whom cheerleaders are still a big deal. These guys grew up when naked women were not a simple GIS away.

 

No cheerleaders aren't the primary reason for the NFL's popularity, but time of the week, time of the year, and violence are very very much so. And cheerleaders fit very nicely with that mix.

 

Fine, but what is the point of all this again? Who cares if there are cheerleaders or the NFL has violence in it?

 

Edit: and I don't mean I don't care about the effects of violence, but it's on every prime time TV show everywhere. So is sex. I'm not sure why this would become an issue specific to NFL discussion.

 

Cheerleaders was a total throw away add on to the list of factors that increase the popularity of the NFL other than the in-field product.

[DivineBovine]

Never thought I'd say this but I actually feel bad for Wes Welker. He's taking so much crap. It almost seems like he's taking more crap than Kyle Williams, whose mistakes were way more boneheaded and had a bigger impact on the game. Boston fans. It's not like that was an easy catch.

[OleMissCub]

site that compares Eli so far to all other HOF QB's through their age 30 seasons.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#1

 

Of the 23, the only ones that had higher passer ratings are Aikman, Montana, Jim Kelly, Marino, Steve Young, and an old timer named Otto Graham

 

fwiw, I'm a giant Eli homer, but I think he has to win another SB and/or put up similar numbers as he had this year for another five or six years.

[Guest]

site that compares Eli so far to all other HOF QB's through their age 30 seasons.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#1

 

Of the 23, the only ones that had higher passer ratings are Aikman, Montana, Jim Kelly, Marino, Steve Young, and an old timer named Otto Graham

 

fwiw, I'm a giant Eli homer, but I think he has to win another SB and/or put up similar numbers as he had this year for another five or six years.

 

Comparing the passer ratings across eras isn't the best way to do it because of how much the game has changed. Terry Bradshaw's 84.7 QB rating in 1978 doesn't look that good until you realize it was the second best in the league that year. Eli Manning's career high of 93.1 in 2009 looks great compared to that until you realize that it was only good enough for 11th in the league.Troy Aikman's 89.5 QB rating was the second-best in the league in 1992 but would have only been 11th this year.

 

You have to compare Eli to the other QB's who are playing now. He's been top-10 in passer rating once (7th in 2011) and in completion percentage once (9th in 2010) while being top-7 in interceptions thrown five times in his seven seasons. He's been top-10 in TD's six times and passing yards four times in seven years but he's also throwing a ton of passes (top-10 five times). Unless you're completely terrible (which no one would argue Eli is) throwing a lot of passes is going to turn into a lot of completions and touchdowns.

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Romo and Stafford were all clearly better than Eli this year. Roethlisberger and Rivers were slightly worse this year but have been far better over the past five years. Schaub was on his way to having a better year before getting hurt and he's also been better in the past (four straight 92+ QB rating years). And if we're looking at the past few years, we have to include Peyton in there also as being better. So now we're looking at having eight guys (excluding Stafford since he's only had one full, good year) who have clearly been better than Eli over the past 3-5 years. Guys who were, at best, the ninth best at their position while they played aren't HOF worthy.

[OleMissCub]

good analysis

[SpongeWorthy]

site that compares Eli so far to all other HOF QB's through their age 30 seasons.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#1

 

Of the 23, the only ones that had higher passer ratings are Aikman, Montana, Jim Kelly, Marino, Steve Young, and an old timer named Otto Graham

 

fwiw, I'm a giant Eli homer, but I think he has to win another SB and/or put up similar numbers as he had this year for another five or six years.

 

Comparing the passer ratings across eras isn't the best way to do it because of how much the game has changed. Terry Bradshaw's 84.7 QB rating in 1978 doesn't look that good until you realize it was the second best in the league that year. Eli Manning's career high of 93.1 in 2009 looks great compared to that until you realize that it was only good enough for 11th in the league.Troy Aikman's 89.5 QB rating was the second-best in the league in 1992 but would have only been 11th this year.

 

You have to compare Eli to the other QB's who are playing now. He's been top-10 in passer rating once (7th in 2011) and in completion percentage once (9th in 2010) while being top-7 in interceptions thrown five times in his seven seasons. He's been top-10 in TD's six times and passing yards four times in seven years but he's also throwing a ton of passes (top-10 five times). Unless you're completely terrible (which no one would argue Eli is) throwing a lot of passes is going to turn into a lot of completions and touchdowns.

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Romo and Stafford were all clearly better than Eli this year. Roethlisberger and Rivers were slightly worse this year but have been far better over the past five years. Schaub was on his way to having a better year before getting hurt and he's also been better in the past (four straight 92+ QB rating years). And if we're looking at the past few years, we have to include Peyton in there also as being better. So now we're looking at having eight guys (excluding Stafford since he's only had one full, good year) who have clearly been better than Eli over the past 3-5 years. Guys who were, at best, the ninth best at their position while they played aren't HOF worthy.

 

Do you realize Hall of Fame voters will not give a rip about Eli being indistinguishable and even worse than than a handful of other quarterbacks in the regular season now that he has 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and probably a good half decade more to pile up stats?

[biittner77]

Eli Manning just won with the worst team to ever win a super bowl. He should retire now since his stock will never be higher.

[Magnetic Curses]

site that compares Eli so far to all other HOF QB's through their age 30 seasons.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#1

 

Of the 23, the only ones that had higher passer ratings are Aikman, Montana, Jim Kelly, Marino, Steve Young, and an old timer named Otto Graham

 

fwiw, I'm a giant Eli homer, but I think he has to win another SB and/or put up similar numbers as he had this year for another five or six years.

 

Comparing the passer ratings across eras isn't the best way to do it because of how much the game has changed. Terry Bradshaw's 84.7 QB rating in 1978 doesn't look that good until you realize it was the second best in the league that year. Eli Manning's career high of 93.1 in 2009 looks great compared to that until you realize that it was only good enough for 11th in the league.Troy Aikman's 89.5 QB rating was the second-best in the league in 1992 but would have only been 11th this year.

 

You have to compare Eli to the other QB's who are playing now. He's been top-10 in passer rating once (7th in 2011) and in completion percentage once (9th in 2010) while being top-7 in interceptions thrown five times in his seven seasons. He's been top-10 in TD's six times and passing yards four times in seven years but he's also throwing a ton of passes (top-10 five times). Unless you're completely terrible (which no one would argue Eli is) throwing a lot of passes is going to turn into a lot of completions and touchdowns.

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Romo and Stafford were all clearly better than Eli this year. Roethlisberger and Rivers were slightly worse this year but have been far better over the past five years. Schaub was on his way to having a better year before getting hurt and he's also been better in the past (four straight 92+ QB rating years). And if we're looking at the past few years, we have to include Peyton in there also as being better. So now we're looking at having eight guys (excluding Stafford since he's only had one full, good year) who have clearly been better than Eli over the past 3-5 years. Guys who were, at best, the ninth best at their position while they played aren't HOF worthy.

 

of that group, the 2 guys who have multiple super bowls will likely be in the hall of fame.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2012/02/08/greg-jones-mom-does-not-approve-of-his-fiance233-a-photo-essay/

 

gaints player proposed to his girlfriend after the SB and his mom didn't appear to be happy about it.

[Guest]

Do you realize Hall of Fame voters will not give a rip about Eli being indistinguishable and even worse than than a handful of other quarterbacks in the regular season now that he has 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and probably a good half decade more to pile up stats?

 

Yes I do but that doesn't mean I agree with it and it doesn't mean its right.

 

Jack Morris is going to make the baseball HOF because a bunch of dumbass sportswriters think that he was a big game pitcher whose numbers aren't that good because they claim he pitched to the score. Doesn't make it right.

[jersey cubs fan]

Do you realize Hall of Fame voters will not give a rip about Eli being indistinguishable and even worse than than a handful of other quarterbacks in the regular season now that he has 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and probably a good half decade more to pile up stats?

 

Yes I do but that doesn't mean I agree with it and it doesn't mean its right.

 

Jack Morris is going to make the baseball HOF because a bunch of dumbass sportswriters think that he was a big game pitcher whose numbers aren't that good because they claim he pitched to the score. Doesn't make it right.

 

What the hell is "right" about freaking hall of fame inductions?

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, goony doesn't care about the hall of fame?

[Exile on Waveland]

Do you realize Hall of Fame voters will not give a rip about Eli being indistinguishable and even worse than than a handful of other quarterbacks in the regular season now that he has 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and probably a good half decade more to pile up stats?

 

Yes I do but that doesn't mean I agree with it and it doesn't mean its right.

 

Jack Morris is going to make the baseball HOF because a bunch of dumbass sportswriters think that he was a big game pitcher whose numbers aren't that good because they claim he pitched to the score. Doesn't make it right.

 

Football and baseball are pretty damn different. I'm not saying Eli is a Hall of Famer -- I don't think he is right now -- but his two Super Bowls should count for something; whereas I'm not real sure World Series wins should count for much at all.

[NewUserName]

I wonder if Whitey Ford and Sandy Koufax would have made the Hall of Fame without pitching for World Champion teams?

 

I think they probably would have but being on WC teams made it certain

[Guest]

Do you realize Hall of Fame voters will not give a rip about Eli being indistinguishable and even worse than than a handful of other quarterbacks in the regular season now that he has 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, and probably a good half decade more to pile up stats?

 

Yes I do but that doesn't mean I agree with it and it doesn't mean its right.

 

Jack Morris is going to make the baseball HOF because a bunch of dumbass sportswriters think that he was a big game pitcher whose numbers aren't that good because they claim he pitched to the score. Doesn't make it right.

 

Football and baseball are pretty damn different. I'm not saying Eli is a Hall of Famer -- I don't think he is right now -- but his two Super Bowls should count for something; whereas I'm not real sure World Series wins should count for much at all.

 

They should and do count for something, but not nearly enough to make up for his unimpressive stats. The only reason he got MVP in the first game was because they aren't going to give it to the entire Giants defense and you could easily argue the defense was the MVP of their entire playoff run this year also.