Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[Soul]

By the way, as badly as I want WR addressed in either the 1st round or with a very solid FA signing, even I would question taking Floyd. Not because of talent, but the 3 alcohol related offenses of his. Not saying I definitely wouldn't take him, but I'd be uncomfortable about it.

 

If you'd take him, then stifle your regrets.

[Magnetic Curses]

we're talking:

 

WR- Michael Floyd

WR- Earl Bennett

 

TE- Jermichael Finley

 

LT- Mike Adams

RT- Gabe Carimi

LG- Chris Williams

RG- Lance Louis

C- Roberto Garza

 

QB- ZombieFightin Pimp

RB- Forte

FB- Clutts

 

that's a pretty good offense.

[Soul]

Yeah, I think I'd have to take the risk on Floyd's indiscretions if that's the final scenario.

 

Do what you have to up front with the guy. Show him pictures of David Terrell. I don't know, hell. We could certainly use his talent.

[Guest]

how far do you think mike adams will last? walterfootball has us taking him at 19 but that seems like a pretty big reach. if we could come out of the first two rounds with floyd and adams, that would be an unbelievable start.

 

we may have to trade up in the second, but we have an extra pick in the third, so there you go.

 

sign jermichael finley, you've added 3 impact starters and bookended your tackle position.

 

Adams is a total reach in the top 20. I bet he'd go ahead of the Bears second rounder, like you said.

 

I think there's no doubt the Bears are going to go all out at Jermichael Finley given all the talk of TE. And then we'll get frustrated with his drops next season.

[Soul]

how far do you think mike adams will last? walterfootball has us taking him at 19 but that seems like a pretty big reach. if we could come out of the first two rounds with floyd and adams, that would be an unbelievable start.

 

we may have to trade up in the second, but we have an extra pick in the third, so there you go.

 

sign jermichael finley, you've added 3 impact starters and bookended your tackle position.

 

Adams is a total reach in the top 20. I bet he'd go ahead of the Bears second rounder, like you said.

 

I think there's no doubt the Bears are going to go all out at Jermichael Finley given all the talk of TE. And then we'll get frustrated with his drops next season.

 

Are the Packers for sure not franchising him? I hear that's the direction they're heading, rather than franchising Flynn...

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4717&line=226549&spln=1

[Magnetic Curses]

how far do you think mike adams will last? walterfootball has us taking him at 19 but that seems like a pretty big reach. if we could come out of the first two rounds with floyd and adams, that would be an unbelievable start.

 

we may have to trade up in the second, but we have an extra pick in the third, so there you go.

 

sign jermichael finley, you've added 3 impact starters and bookended your tackle position.

 

Adams is a total reach in the top 20. I bet he'd go ahead of the Bears second rounder, like you said.

 

I think there's no doubt the Bears are going to go all out at Jermichael Finley given all the talk of TE. And then we'll get frustrated with his drops next season.

 

which is why we can use on of those extra thirds to swap picks with somebody at the top of the second.

[rawaction]

Adams is probably going to be a top 20 pick at this point. He was the only of the top OTs eligible for the Senior Bowl. He had a good week of practice and was the only player on the field that could block Quinton Coples in the game this past weekend.

 

That being said, I doubt the Bears go OT in the 1st round for the 2nd year in a row. Mike Tice came out and said that he's comfortable with the OL and thinks putting them on an island less and getting rid of the ball quicker will help all of them (particularly Webb). He also said they won't go OL unless a stud falls to 19.

 

The Bears are pretty good at picking what most perceive as their biggest need. Last year OT was the biggest need, they got Carimi. The year before everyone said S was the biggest need, they drafted Wright with their first pick. Before that it was Chris Williams when they were desperate for OT help. When everyone said they were a TE away, they got Olsen. Even going back to Tommie Harris and Urlacher, the Bears took their biggest need when they had to. That leads me to believe the 1st pick is WR or bust. Emery also said they will look to add to their strengths in free agency and look to build the team in the draft. Another thing that points to WR drafted over signed (though I think they do both, but maybe not as big a FA name as people want).

 

That being said, Emery has all the signs of being a guy that values character a little too much. Makes me wonder if Michael Floyd is even an option with his baggage. At that point you're looking at Kendall Wright or Alshon Jeffery. Jeffery would be similar to the Baldwin pick for KC last year. Good Soph year, down JR year but all the talent in the world. Wright, I'd hope would be accompanied by a signing of a WR with some size. But I like him a lot also, probably moreso than Jeffery.

[Magnetic Curses]

gaither and finley in FA, floyd in the first, then

[minnesotacubsfan]

will Floyd even fall that far?

[davell]

will Floyd even fall that far?

If not, we'd be in the range where we could trade up to get him fairly easily. That said, I don't like that Emery quote about adding to our strengths thru FA at all. Cutler needs immediate help and WR help is available thru FA moreso than in the draft, certainly in impact guys right off the bat.

[rawaction]

will Floyd even fall that far?

If not, we'd be in the range where we could trade up to get him fairly easily. That said, I don't like that Emery quote about adding to our strengths thru FA at all. Cutler needs immediate help and WR help is available thru FA moreso than in the draft, certainly in impact guys right off the bat.

 

Well, he's a college scout. That's going to always be his stance. I still think they add someone via free agency. The Bears probably need to draft 2 WRs if they don't sign anyone. They gotta replace Williams and Hurd (the roster spots, not the lack of production) off of last year's roster. I don't know that Bennett, Hester, Knox and Sanzenbacher with 2 rookies, even if they are a 1st and a 3rd round pick is going to be enough to turn the offense around.

 

And with SD talking about bringing VJax back, Bowe possibly being franchised, DeSean possibly being franchised, and Colston's not leaving NO....this may be the only choice. Use the 1st pick to develop a potential star WR, use FA to get a reliable target right away, but not necessarily a guy the whole offense revolves around.

[RynoRules]

I agree with Raw. We need two WR's, one draft pick and one vet. I'm starting to like Sanu from Rutgers, partly because I am starting to be intrigued by the idea of having bookend tackles by drafting Adams. Could we move down a few slots and still get both?

[rawaction]

I agree with Raw. We need two WR's, one draft pick and one vet. I'm starting to like Sanu from Rutgers, partly because I am starting to be intrigued by the idea of having bookend tackles by drafting Adams. Could we move down a few slots and still get both?

 

I think Sanu is a possibility to go in the late 1st (depends on the WRs gone when SF drafts, I'd imagine they'd take 1). If not, looks like he could go to the Colts with their 2nd. If you take Adams in the 1st, unless you trade up, you're probably looking at a Juron Criner, Brian Quick, Rueben Randle type.

[Flames24Rulz]

Finley's basically a lock to come back, whether that be through the tag or a long-term deal.

[minnesotacubsfan]

What about Toon out of Wisconsin?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't really get why so much of the conversation with regards to Emery is about his ability and willingness to fire Lovie Smith. It's as if people just don't pay attention to how the NFL works. There is no blueprint for how winning teams operate, other than employing reall good QBs. There is nothing wrong with the way the Bears are structured. There is nothing wrong with keeping Lovie around this year and hiring a new GM who is going to work with Lovie for a year. This is not that awkward. The question is whether Emery is just a glorified scout who can only speak in cliches and won't be able to carry out the management level game plan he needs to implement. The Bears can win with Lovie. The Bears have won with Lovie. The Bears can win with the core group they have.

 

My main concern is that Emery will implement a draft only approach to rebuilding this team, something that probably won't sit well with Cutler and runs the risk of forcing this team into a renewed search for that franchise QB that's already here. If Emery brings in some offensive talent via free agency and is a solid drafter, then all he has to do is make sure Cutler is happy enough to stay on board and this team will win. It's not about forcing Lovie out, even though I'd be perfectly happy with that idea if they bring in some offensive minded coach who can get the most out of Jay.

[JonJayCutler]

Find a way to pry Zach Miller away from Seattle. Probably wouldn't take much coming off the season he just had.

[rawaction]

Find a way to pry Zach Miller away from Seattle. Probably wouldn't take much coming off the season he just had.

 

If you're looking at a Seattle TE, John Carlson would be the way to go. I know Carlson just missed the year with a torn labrum, but when you throw in similar measurements. Similar production (with Miller having more catches and Carlson better in red zone). And the fact that Miller would take draft picks, plus is still owed 10 Mil guaranteed money over the next 2 years of his 5 year, $34Mil contract while Carlson is a free agent that should be pretty cheap.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really don't want to see this team throwing big resources at the tight end position.

[rawaction]

I really don't want to see this team throwing big resources at the tight end position.

 

Me either. Even Jermichael Finley. While having a Jimmy Graham or Rob Grontkowski would be very nice, it's not at all necessary. What people fail to mention about these great TEs is that they play along side 1000 yard WRs. How many TEs are putting up huge numbers with WRs like the Bears who can't put up 600 yards at any spot?

 

Plus, I think the matchup issues are overrated also. Take any 6'3-6'5" TE and most LBs won't be able to cover them, if for nothing else but simply the fact that LBs can't cover all that well for the most part. And DBs won't be able to cover them, because none of them have that type of size. There's no reason Kellen Davis couldn't be a big factor in the offense if he was used properly.

 

That being said, I would completely expect the Bears to draft a TE early and/or re-sign Davis because of the unnecessary emphasis everyone has put on the TE position.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really don't want to see this team throwing big resources at the tight end position.

 

Me either. Even Jermichael Finley. While having a Jimmy Graham or Rob Grontkowski would be very nice, it's not at all necessary. What people fail to mention about these great TEs is that they play along side 1000 yard WRs. How many TEs are putting up huge numbers with WRs like the Bears who can't put up 600 yards at any spot?

 

Plus, I think the matchup issues are overrated also. Take any 6'3-6'5" TE and most LBs won't be able to cover them, if for nothing else but simply the fact that LBs can't cover all that well for the most part. And DBs won't be able to cover them, because none of them have that type of size. There's no reason Kellen Davis couldn't be a big factor in the offense if he was used properly.

 

That being said, I would completely expect the Bears to draft a TE early and/or re-sign Davis because of the unnecessary emphasis everyone has put on the TE position.

 

I'm on board with resigning Davis and/or taking one in the middle rounds, maybe. But as you say, not only do the most productive TEs play alongside productive WR, they are largely really good TE because they play with really good QBs. If the QB/OC choose to feature a TE, they can make a lot of them look a hell of a lot better than they are. Dallas Clark was a nice player in his prime, but take him off of Indy and his career would look nothing like it turned out to be. I would not go as far as saying they are a luxury, but you are right, they aren't necessary.

[SpongeWorthy]

Graham and Gronkowski are elite 95th percentile type athletes. None of the wideouts on those teams are.

[jersey cubs fan]

Graham and Gronkowski are elite 95th percentile type athletes. None of the wideouts on those teams are.

 

And yet those offenses were producing outstanding passing numbers long before either player showed up. Those TE didn't make themselves.

[SpongeWorthy]

Graham and Gronkowski are elite 95th percentile type athletes. None of the wideouts on those teams are.

 

And yet those offenses were producing outstanding passing numbers long before either player showed up. Those TE didn't make themselves.

 

Right so they are so dominant athletically that they pretty much force their hall of fame QBs to get them the ball.

 

The Patriots offense was was pretty good but it only went into hyper drive when they got uber freaks like Moss and Gronkowski.

[jersey cubs fan]

Graham and Gronkowski are elite 95th percentile type athletes. None of the wideouts on those teams are.

 

And yet those offenses were producing outstanding passing numbers long before either player showed up. Those TE didn't make themselves.

 

Right so they are so dominant athletically that they pretty much force their hall of fame QBs to get them the ball.

 

The Patriots offense was was pretty good but it only went into hyper drive when they got uber freaks like Moss and Gronkowski.

 

That is completely wrong.