Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

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mikecwright Michael C. Wright

Jeremy Bates does NOT get title of passing game coordinator, too, according to source.

 

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[Banedon]

So I wonder who those league sources were that told Vaughn McClure that Bates wouldn't be considered. Angelo?

 

Cutler worked well with Bates in Denver and had hoped Bates would come in 2010 when Mike Martz was hired as offensive coordinator. Bates turned down an opportunity to interview with the Bears and sources indicated it was because of a communication issue with former general manager Jerry Angelo.

[rawaction]

So I wonder who those league sources were that told Vaughn McClure that Bates wouldn't be considered. Angelo?

 

Cutler worked well with Bates in Denver and had hoped Bates would come in 2010 when Mike Martz was hired as offensive coordinator. Bates turned down an opportunity to interview with the Bears and sources indicated it was because of a communication issue with former general manager Jerry Angelo.

 

Interesting. I always assumed it was Bates who turned down the job because he didn't want to be on a staff with a lame duck HC....which Lovie was at that point. Also probably means Angelo was the league source that said Bates wouldn't be considered.

[SpongeWorthy]

mikecwright Michael C. Wright

Jeremy Bates does NOT get title of passing game coordinator, too, according to source.

 

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Pointless job title engineering. Good hire though.

[Theo]

Great news. I'm guessing the Alex Van Pelt interview didn't go so well, lol

[jersey cubs fan]

So I wonder who those league sources were that told Vaughn McClure that Bates wouldn't be considered. Angelo?

 

Cutler worked well with Bates in Denver and had hoped Bates would come in 2010 when Mike Martz was hired as offensive coordinator. Bates turned down an opportunity to interview with the Bears and sources indicated it was because of a communication issue with former general manager Jerry Angelo.

 

Interesting. I always assumed it was Bates who turned down the job because he didn't want to be on a staff with a lame duck HC....which Lovie was at that point. Also probably means Angelo was the league source that said Bates wouldn't be considered.

 

What could have been the miscommunication? Angelo had a lot of glitches, from the checking boxes on qualifying contract offers, to draft day trades and now Lovie's staff. Did he tell him the job wasn't worth taking?

[Banedon]

What could have been the miscommunication? Angelo had a lot of glitches, from the checking boxes on qualifying contract offers, to draft day trades and now Lovie's staff. Did he tell him the job wasn't worth taking?

 

Yeah, I don't know what a "communication issue" would be.

[jersey cubs fan]

What could have been the miscommunication? Angelo had a lot of glitches, from the checking boxes on qualifying contract offers, to draft day trades and now Lovie's staff. Did he tell him the job wasn't worth taking?

 

Yeah, I don't know what a "communication issue" would be.

 

My assistant will set-up the time for your interview (assistant doesn't set up time for his interview).

[minnesotacubsfan]

Who knows about Angelo. The more I hear about him the more I really agree he had a stale office.

 

But I love the bates hire. This offense looks like it will surprise a lot of people

[Theo]

Does this Bates hire have any of Emery's fingerprints on it? Remember as a couple weeks ago, Jeremy Bates wasn't even in the converstation for this job. Then, today, from Lovie's mouth "He was the best candidate by a landslide"..hmm then why did it take this long for the Bears to turn to him? I know Lovie controls the staff, but did Emery make a "suggestion" to Lovie that they maybe re-consider their stance on Bates?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Maybe Lovie made the suggestion to Angelo and Jerry blew him off

[Theo]

That's entirely possible. What we do know is that before Emery was hired, there were tweets from Bears beat reporters that "Bates was out". These weren't rumor type tweets, they were reported as fact, as if someone inside told him this. Emery is hired and all of a suddent Bates is in.

 

So if Angelo was indeed the problem, again, great that he is gone. Bates is clearly the best candidate at this point. He would be the best candidate even without the Cutler connection, I mean some of the guys they were talking to..yikes.

[jersey cubs fan]

That's entirely possible. What we do know is that before Emery was hired, there were tweets from Bears beat reporters that "Bates was out". These weren't rumor type tweets, they were reported as fact, as if someone inside told him this. Emery is hired and all of a suddent Bates is in.

 

It wasn't just tweets, Vaughn McClure had a piece in the paper stating that league sources told him Bates was out.

[jersey cubs fan]

"I'm very excited to be working with Jeremy Bates again," Cutler told the Bears' team-controlled website. "We got the right guy for the job.

 

"He's a grinder," Cutler told the website. "He's a guy that's going to work extremely hard to find weaknesses in defenses and he's going to be able to present it to us in a way that we understand and will be able to make plays where we can take advantage of those weaknesses."

[Magnetic Curses]

i am perfectly fine with tice being the OC and Bates being just a quarterbacks coach. that's the best case scenario, really.

 

i was never too keen on having guys split the OC job and I think that's something that emery must have realized too. and while tice looks like a meathead, he's really not and i think the fact that people have been trying to interview him since he came to chicago is telling as to how he's seen around the league. he also doesn't appear to be a super strong type-a personality that demands his QB conform to his offense and never improvize. i think

 

my hope is that he's not just planning on running anything close to the martz offense. we need to put the spotlight on jay, and to do that he needs to be given structure and control. and some weapons + jared gaither.

[rawaction]

i am perfectly fine with tice being the OC and Bates being just a quarterbacks coach. that's the best case scenario, really.

 

i was never too keen on having guys split the OC job and I think that's something that emery must have realized too. and while tice looks like a meathead, he's really not and i think the fact that people have been trying to interview him since he came to chicago is telling as to how he's seen around the league. he also doesn't appear to be a super strong type-a personality that demands his QB conform to his offense and never improvize. i think

 

my hope is that he's not just planning on running anything close to the martz offense. we need to put the spotlight on jay, and to do that he needs to be given structure and control. and some weapons + jared gaither.

 

I don't think the OC split was that big of a deal. But I think the Tice offense will be pretty close to what Martz ran with changes in protections and hopefully maximizing the strengths of his players (QB, WRs, TEs, Forte). Tice comes from a similar background as Martz, while Bates is a west coast offense guy. Hopefully, Bates has some say as Cutler in a WCO has been/would be lethal.

[Magnetic Curses]

i am perfectly fine with tice being the OC and Bates being just a quarterbacks coach. that's the best case scenario, really.

 

i was never too keen on having guys split the OC job and I think that's something that emery must have realized too. and while tice looks like a meathead, he's really not and i think the fact that people have been trying to interview him since he came to chicago is telling as to how he's seen around the league. he also doesn't appear to be a super strong type-a personality that demands his QB conform to his offense and never improvize. i think

 

my hope is that he's not just planning on running anything close to the martz offense. we need to put the spotlight on jay, and to do that he needs to be given structure and control. and some weapons + jared gaither.

 

I don't think the OC split was that big of a deal. But I think the Tice offense will be pretty close to what Martz ran with changes in protections and hopefully maximizing the strengths of his players (QB, WRs, TEs, Forte). Tice comes from a similar background as Martz, while Bates is a west coast offense guy. Hopefully, Bates has some say as Cutler in a WCO has been/would be lethal.

 

it's my understanding that the protections were all tice, if anything remains the same, it will be the protections.

 

martz is a disciple of the guy who invented the west coast offense.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Well, the original west coast offense, aka coryell. Bates is a follower of the pass control offense of the 49ers in the 80's, the fake west coast offense

[rawaction]

i am perfectly fine with tice being the OC and Bates being just a quarterbacks coach. that's the best case scenario, really.

 

i was never too keen on having guys split the OC job and I think that's something that emery must have realized too. and while tice looks like a meathead, he's really not and i think the fact that people have been trying to interview him since he came to chicago is telling as to how he's seen around the league. he also doesn't appear to be a super strong type-a personality that demands his QB conform to his offense and never improvize. i think

 

my hope is that he's not just planning on running anything close to the martz offense. we need to put the spotlight on jay, and to do that he needs to be given structure and control. and some weapons + jared gaither.

 

I don't think the OC split was that big of a deal. But I think the Tice offense will be pretty close to what Martz ran with changes in protections and hopefully maximizing the strengths of his players (QB, WRs, TEs, Forte). Tice comes from a similar background as Martz, while Bates is a west coast offense guy. Hopefully, Bates has some say as Cutler in a WCO has been/would be lethal.

 

it's my understanding that the protections were all tice, if anything remains the same, it will be the protections.

 

martz is a disciple of the guy who invented the west coast offense.

 

Tice comes up with the protection schemes, but Martz called the plays. If Martz wanted to call a play with a 5 receiver route and no chip blocks on the DEs, he did. The protections are going to be the same, but they will presumably be better called which is basically the point.

 

And yes, I meant the Bill Walsh/49ers WCO.

[Theo]

Martz is not a diciple of the West Coast Offense, he's a disciple of the Don Coryell+Sid Gillman offense, it orginated in San Diego, but isn't the WCO that Walsh is credited with.

[Magnetic Curses]

theo to the rescue with the history lesson

[minnesotacubsfan]

Actually both styles of offense are often referred to as "WEST COAST", so I'm not sure what lesson Theo is providing

[ctcf]

Bears have hired Tim Holt to be the O-Line coach.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://ohhbetsy.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/gallery_steve_holt_1.jpg

[jersey cubs fan]

Actually both styles of offense are often referred to as "WEST COAST", so I'm not sure what lesson Theo is providing

 

I've never heard the Coryell style referred to as West Coast. Every time I've heard west coast offense it has been describing the Bill Walsh, high completion percentage/passing game used as a replacement for the running game style.