Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[davell]

If Peyton proves he's healthy, he's certainly the top guy likely available. I can't see him and Luck together for even a year. Too much of a distraction. Around here, there's lots of Peyton to the Redskins talk already. But I could see Oakland giving up on Palmer for Flynn, Jax giving up on Gabbert already, Miami wanting him, Kansas City, Arizona, Seattle, Cleveland, maybe even the Jets.......At any rate, there's plenty of teams out there looking for a QB on SOME level. All it's going to take is one of them to think Flynn is elite. With as important as QB's are, I'm pretty sure one of those teams would talk themselves into thinking he's the future for them.

[Soul]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

[davell]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

Cassel. Granted, it didn't turn out well for KC.

[Soul]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

Cassel. Granted, it didn't turn out well for KC.

 

Yeah, although that's a bit different.

[Flames24Rulz]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

 

It's not about franchising Flynn for the sake of keeping him. With as bad as our defense is, it's a gamble that should be made to get some extra picks instead of just holding out for the conditional 3rd or 4th round pick the following year.

 

I've done a complete 180 on who the Packers should franchise. I thought Finley should have received the tag, but there are five gigantic black spots on our defense right now. We need as many draft picks as possible to shore that up and trading Flynn to a team that actually needs a QB probably makes the most sense.

 

It's a gamble but some team will trade for Flynn, whether it be Seattle, Washington, Cleveland, etc.

[Soul]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

 

It's not about franchising Flynn for the sake of keeping him. With as bad as our defense is, it's a gamble that should be made to get some extra picks instead of just holding out for the conditional 3rd or 4th round pick the following year.

 

I've done a complete 180 on who the Packers should franchise. I thought Finley should have received the tag, but there are five gigantic black spots on our defense right now. We need as many draft picks as possible to shore that up and trading Flynn to a team that actually needs a QB probably makes the most sense.

 

It's a gamble but some team will trade for Flynn, whether it be Seattle, Washington, Cleveland, etc.

 

OK, hey what do I know? I sure wouldn't want to be stuck with the bill if the suitors don't come calling.

[davell]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

 

It's not about franchising Flynn for the sake of keeping him. With as bad as our defense is, it's a gamble that should be made to get some extra picks instead of just holding out for the conditional 3rd or 4th round pick the following year.

 

I've done a complete 180 on who the Packers should franchise. I thought Finley should have received the tag, but there are five gigantic black spots on our defense right now. We need as many draft picks as possible to shore that up and trading Flynn to a team that actually needs a QB probably makes the most sense.

 

It's a gamble but some team will trade for Flynn, whether it be Seattle, Washington, Cleveland, etc.

 

OK, hey what do I know? I sure wouldn't want to be stuck with the bill if the suitors don't come calling.

I hope they do get stuck with him. But, whether he's the real deal or not, I figure some QB desperate team will convince themselves he is and help the Packers out bigtime in the process.

[rawaction]

Yeah, I just think the perspective of a team like GB, who knows how to develop talent at that position, is going to be different than other teams in this situation. Has a team ever franchised a backup QB before? That seems a rather extreme move to make, considering that the organization has a proven ability to develop and, after all, Flynn performed well in one game plus a smattering of other appearances.

 

It's not about franchising Flynn for the sake of keeping him. With as bad as our defense is, it's a gamble that should be made to get some extra picks instead of just holding out for the conditional 3rd or 4th round pick the following year.

 

I've done a complete 180 on who the Packers should franchise. I thought Finley should have received the tag, but there are five gigantic black spots on our defense right now. We need as many draft picks as possible to shore that up and trading Flynn to a team that actually needs a QB probably makes the most sense.

 

It's a gamble but some team will trade for Flynn, whether it be Seattle, Washington, Cleveland, etc.

 

OK, hey what do I know? I sure wouldn't want to be stuck with the bill if the suitors don't come calling.

 

I think that's a longshot. Arizona gave up a high 2nd for Kolb. The Raiders traded a 1st for Palmer who was at home for 9 months. He's only 26 and the 2 games he's started in his career he's gone for 800 yards and 9 TDs. I don't think there's any chance the Packers are stuck with him at the franchise dollar amount.

[cubbyvirus00]

Off-subject

 

 

 

Who is the GM candidate that we should be pulling for? Ross?

[Soul]

They interviewed Licht today.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-interview-patriots-licht-for-gm-job-20120116,0,4438600.story

 

Not my guy. I'm pulling for Ross.

[rawaction]

I've read some good things about the Chargers guy, Raye.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've read some good things about the Chargers guy, Raye.

 

I have two problems with him, I associate his father with some crappy offenses and he's been involved in a Chargers team that keeps getting less and less talented the longer he's been there. The Chargers have been in the worst division in football over the past half decade or so and they've let some very mediocre opponents get to the playoffs ahead of them, and 6 or 7 years ago they were one of the most talented teams out there.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the Bears won't allow Hoke to interview with the Vikings for their defensive coordinator job. I don't like this. It was one thing to not let Tice go to TEN, when his expertise was supposedly the key to developing the line and he was clearly in-line to take over Martz's gig. But you aren't going to be viewed as a great place to develop coaches if you keep preventing your position coaches from potential promotions. And it's the Vikings, they are a mess. I highly doubt having him go there will come back to haunt the Bears.

[pitchcs]

I think you can get rid of your hideous Rodgers sig now

[Theo]

Hopefully, we'll have some guys get an opportunity to move up, whether that be asst coaches moving into coord roles"

[NewUserName]

I hate to go back to this subject. But it is beyond any reason that a team will pay franchise tag money and draft picks for Matt Flynn. Or am I missing something in the franchise tag then trade situation? If the Packs tag him and trade him, can another team then sign him to a long term contract that would not make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL?

[jersey cubs fan]

I hate to go back to this subject. But it is beyond any reason that a team will pay franchise tag money and draft picks for Matt Flynn. Or am I missing something in the franchise tag then trade situation? If the Packs tag him and trade him, can another team then sign him to a long term contract that would not make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL?

 

Isn't that exactly what happened with Matt Cassel? He was franchised, signed to a one year, deal, traded, and extended all in one offseason.

[rawaction]

I hate to go back to this subject. But it is beyond any reason that a team will pay franchise tag money and draft picks for Matt Flynn. Or am I missing something in the franchise tag then trade situation? If the Packs tag him and trade him, can another team then sign him to a long term contract that would not make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL?

 

Isn't that exactly what happened with Matt Cassel? He was franchised, signed to a one year, deal, traded, and extended all in one offseason.

 

Exactly what happened. This is not a new situation. Not sure why people can't grasp the situation.

[NewUserName]

I hate to go back to this subject. But it is beyond any reason that a team will pay franchise tag money and draft picks for Matt Flynn. Or am I missing something in the franchise tag then trade situation? If the Packs tag him and trade him, can another team then sign him to a long term contract that would not make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL?

 

Isn't that exactly what happened with Matt Cassel? He was franchised, signed to a one year, deal, traded, and extended all in one offseason.

 

Exactly what happened. This is not a new situation. Not sure why people can't grasp the situation.

 

It is probably my lack of paying attention to the NFL off season that causes my lack of grasping.

[Soul]

I hate to go back to this subject. But it is beyond any reason that a team will pay franchise tag money and draft picks for Matt Flynn. Or am I missing something in the franchise tag then trade situation? If the Packs tag him and trade him, can another team then sign him to a long term contract that would not make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL?

 

Isn't that exactly what happened with Matt Cassel? He was franchised, signed to a one year, deal, traded, and extended all in one offseason.

 

Exactly what happened. This is not a new situation. Not sure why people can't grasp the situation.

 

It is probably my lack of paying attention to the NFL off season that causes my lack of grasping.

 

The difference for me is that Cassel had an entire season to showcase, versus much less for Flynn. But maybe this is the way it will work out. I'd hate for the Pack to wind up with some juicy extra picks for Flynn. That would kind of suck for us.

 

You can't underestimate teams that have no QB and are desperate for one who they don't perceive as needing much development. Since Flynn has had time in one of the best QB stomping grounds in the NFL, a team like Cleveland is going to look at that just like we would if we didn't have Cutler: here's a guy who might be a ready-made solution.

[jersey cubs fan]

The difference for me is that Cassel had an entire season to showcase, versus much less for Flynn. But maybe this is the way it will work out. I'd hate for the Pack to wind up with some juicy extra picks for Flynn. That would kind of suck for us.

 

You can't underestimate teams that have no QB and are desperate for one who they don't perceive as needing much development. Since Flynn has had time in one of the best QB stomping grounds in the NFL, a team like Cleveland is going to look at that just like we would if we didn't have Cutler: here's a guy who might be a ready-made solution.

 

Yeah, there's a huge difference between what Cassel was able to do for the Patriots and what Flynn did in one game. It would be incredibly risky to make that acquisition, and I would hate for my team to do it. But it only takes one, and NFL teams without settled QB situations do stupid stuff. Then again, Wannstedt isn't out there coaching anybody either.

[rawaction]

I've read some good things about the Chargers guy, Raye.

 

I have two problems with him, I associate his father with some crappy offenses and he's been involved in a Chargers team that keeps getting less and less talented the longer he's been there. The Chargers have been in the worst division in football over the past half decade or so and they've let some very mediocre opponents get to the playoffs ahead of them, and 6 or 7 years ago they were one of the most talented teams out there.

 

This scout thinks the Licht dude from the Patriots is a good candidate.

 

http://blog.therazzreport.com/?p=270

[rawaction]

The difference for me is that Cassel had an entire season to showcase, versus much less for Flynn. But maybe this is the way it will work out. I'd hate for the Pack to wind up with some juicy extra picks for Flynn. That would kind of suck for us.

 

You can't underestimate teams that have no QB and are desperate for one who they don't perceive as needing much development. Since Flynn has had time in one of the best QB stomping grounds in the NFL, a team like Cleveland is going to look at that just like we would if we didn't have Cutler: here's a guy who might be a ready-made solution.

 

Yeah, there's a huge difference between what Cassel was able to do for the Patriots and what Flynn did in one game. It would be incredibly risky to make that acquisition, and I would hate for my team to do it. But it only takes one, and NFL teams without settled QB situations do stupid stuff. Then again, Wannstedt isn't out there coaching anybody either.

 

Flynn also started last year when Rodgers had a concussion. He almost led GB to a win over New England. He's thrown for well over 800 yards in 2 starts with like a 9-1 TD/INT ratio. Plus, he's shown signs in preseason. He basically has similar experience to Kevin Kolb before this year and somebody traded for him and gave him a ton of money.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus, he's shown signs in preseason. He basically has similar experience to Kevin Kolb before this year and somebody traded for him and gave him a ton of money.

 

Similar, or less than half?

[minnesotacubsfan]

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