Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[Magnetic Curses]

it doesn't matter what the recent precedent is, if a team really wants him, they will offer what it takes to get him. we hold the cards.

 

Recent precedent doesn't determine final price but it's a really strong indication that nobody should be expecting anything resembling a blockbuster. My guess is you might be able to get something like a decent WR and a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but a 1st, or a 1st and more is probably out of the question.

 

i doubt we're going to get a blockbuster, but maybe a swap of first round picks plus a 2nd rounder or something could be a possibility

[Magnetic Curses]

and i'm really not terribly impressed by forte. he's good, but he's not irreplaceable. we have good run blocking and anyone we slot in there and give the ball to 250 times is going to gain 1,000 yards.

[jersey cubs fan]

I want to see if they can get Santonio Holmes out of NY. He feuded with Sanchez which may make him seem like a jerk, but Sanchez is kind of garbage, and he wouldn't have the need to feud with Cutler.

[jersey cubs fan]

it doesn't matter what the recent precedent is, if a team really wants him, they will offer what it takes to get him. we hold the cards.

 

Recent precedent doesn't determine final price but it's a really strong indication that nobody should be expecting anything resembling a blockbuster. My guess is you might be able to get something like a decent WR and a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but a 1st, or a 1st and more is probably out of the question.

 

i doubt we're going to get a blockbuster, but maybe a swap of first round picks plus a 2nd rounder or something could be a possibility

 

Who would be worth swapping with that would want him? You aren't getting into the top 4. Tampa could be interested in a swap at 5, maybe Washington at 6. Jacksonville, no, Miami, no. Buffalo doubtful, and by then there's very little point in making the swap for the Bears.

[davell]

Yeah, Santonio wouldn't cost much, in terms of picks. Hell, they could release him. I really want us to explore what it'd take to get Marshall though.

[davell]

If you franchise a player, don't you HAVE to get at least a 1st rounder back in return? Not swapping either, an actual 1st?

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, Santonio wouldn't cost much, in terms of picks. Hell, they could release him. I really want us to explore what it'd take to get Marshall though.

 

If Miami was going with full regime change I could see it happening, but with Ireland staying on as GM I just don't think they will be looking to deal Marshall away so easily after the acquisition.

[davell]

Yeah, Santonio wouldn't cost much, in terms of picks. Hell, they could release him. I really want us to explore what it'd take to get Marshall though.

 

If Miami was going with full regime change I could see it happening, but with Ireland staying on as GM I just don't think they will be looking to deal Marshall away so easily after the acquisition.

 

 

You remember what they gave up for him? Was it a 2nd?

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, Santonio wouldn't cost much, in terms of picks. Hell, they could release him. I really want us to explore what it'd take to get Marshall though.

 

If Miami was going with full regime change I could see it happening, but with Ireland staying on as GM I just don't think they will be looking to deal Marshall away so easily after the acquisition.

 

 

You remember what they gave up for him? Was it a 2nd?

 

2 2s

 

 

4/14/2010: Signed a five-year, $47.3 million contract. The deal contains $12.5 million guaranteed, including a $5.5 million signing bonus and $6 million of Marshall's 2012 salary barring a league suspension in the first three years. 2011: $6.5 million (+ $3 million roster bonus due 4/2), 2012: $9.3 million, 2013-2014: $9.1 million, 2015: Free Agent

[davell]

That's definitely steep, but workable, if they're willing to deal him. He's been there 2 seasons already, so they shouldn't expect for the same return. Plus, he probably looked better in Denver than he has down there as well. I wish like hell someone could decipher the cap well enough to let us know where exactly we are and what guys like Marshall or Holmes would count against it.

[jersey cubs fan]

That's definitely steep, but workable, if they're willing to deal him. He's been there 2 seasons already, so they shouldn't expect for the same return.

 

I can't imagine what motivation they would have for accepting less. They need a QB, and he's going to help whoever that is just by being there as a weapon.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Greg Olson hired as QB coach/asst. head coach by the Jaguars

[Derwood]

Santonio Holmes has been a me-first prick since college. PASS

[jersey cubs fan]

Greg Olson hired as QB coach/asst. head coach by the Jaguars

 

phew

[Magnetic Curses]

That's definitely steep, but workable, if they're willing to deal him. He's been there 2 seasons already, so they shouldn't expect for the same return.

 

I can't imagine what motivation they would have for accepting less. They need a QB, and he's going to help whoever that is just by being there as a weapon.

 

would have been nice if hanie was any good.

[rawaction]

Santonio Holmes has been a me-first prick since college. PASS

 

He's also been a good WR since then. Bears haven't had a good WR since......

[minnesotacubsfan]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-19/woody-johnson-says-holmes-will-return-in-2012

[minnesotacubsfan]

it just seems that the good-ol boys are out there trying to push Ruskell into the position. Thanks Dan Pompei for this insightful piece

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0120-gm-bears-chicago--20120120,0,2353315.story

[Soul]

Relax, he did a puff piece on Raye a couple days ago, too.

[minnesotacubsfan]

that write up makes it seem like Ruskell had gotten the shaft in Seattle, that he's of the Jerry Kill mold. IE, he's fought for everything hes gotten.

 

idk, it would make a nice story, but is it real?

[RynoRules]

Santonio Holmes has been a me-first prick since college. PASS

 

He's also been a good WR since then. Bears haven't had a good WR since......

 

Bernard Berrian? Turns out he wasn't that good. Marcus Robinson? He wasn't really that good either. (ironically both of their careers plummeted when they went to Minny; go figure).

 

Maybe Marty Booker? Two really good seasons and faded into mediocrity in Miami.

 

You could make the case that you have to go back to the Conway-Graham tandem of the early-mid 90's. Conway only had two really good years with us, and a third with San Diego when he was 30. Graham was very good the two years he was here, but for some reason we let him go at age 27. He was ordinary with the Jets fir a couple of years (likely due to how crappy they were at that time) but very productive with SD during the final three years of his career..

 

I think the more interesting question is when was the last time we had a good WR who was more than a two year flash in the pan? You might have to go back to "Wild" Willie Gault, who we also let walk at age 27, and who in reality was more of a track star than a WR...but at least he was a major freaking threat. He averaged 21.3 per catch in 85', and 19.9 per catch for his career. He was probably the fastest player in the game at the time, and the WR position was very different back then (Andre Johnson might have been playing TE).

 

(Honorable mention to Wendell Davis, who looked like he was coming on before he had both of knees ripped to pieces by the stiched turf at the Vet.)

 

This as much an indictment of our offensive philosophy and QB woes as it is of the WR talent.

[WrigleyField 22]

If those things about Ruskell are true I'm excited he will remain on our staff. Hes still employed by us and I dont see anyone else trying to sign him.

[jersey cubs fan]

Dear GM Candidate:

 

I am writing with regards to the wonderful write-up I gave you in today's Chicago Tribune. I hope you will appreciate the efforts I put into blowing that smoke directly into your anus without any need for uncomfortable procedures. Please remember these efforts if and when you are hired as general manager of the Chicago Bears and I need a quote for a story.

 

Sincerely,

 

Dan Pompei

[Banedon]

The Tribune has a way of turning writers I like into horrible journalists. David Haugh and Dan Pompei are examples of that. I'm very, very afraid for Brad Biggs and KC Johnson.

[Magnetic Curses]

Santonio Holmes has been a me-first prick since college. PASS

 

He's also been a good WR since then. Bears haven't had a good WR since......

 

Bernard Berrian? Turns out he wasn't that good. Marcus Robinson? He wasn't really that good either. (ironically both of their careers plummeted when they went to Minny; go figure).

 

Maybe Marty Booker? Two really good seasons and faded into mediocrity in Miami.

 

You could make the case that you have to go back to the Conway-Graham tandem of the early-mid 90's. Conway only had two really good years with us, and a third with San Diego when he was 30. Graham was very good the two years he was here, but for some reason we let him go at age 27. He was ordinary with the Jets fir a couple of years (likely due to how crappy they were at that time) but very productive with SD during the final three years of his career..

 

I think the more interesting question is when was the last time we had a good WR who was more than a two year flash in the pan? You might have to go back to "Wild" Willie Gault, who we also let walk at age 27, and who in reality was more of a track star than a WR...but at least he was a major freaking threat. He averaged 21.3 per catch in 85', and 19.9 per catch for his career. He was probably the fastest player in the game at the time, and the WR position was very different back then (Andre Johnson might have been playing TE).

 

(Honorable mention to Wendell Davis, who looked like he was coming on before he had both of knees ripped to pieces by the stiched turf at the Vet.)

 

This as much an indictment of our offensive philosophy and QB woes as it is of the WR talent.

 

marcus robinson had the greatest season of any bear receiver ever. robinson had a pretty bad back injury while he was with us and he never fully recovered.

 

he was big and fast and he made cade mcnown and jim miller look good.