Trading Soriano

[javy knows my name]

jersey has tried so hard to become anti-meatball that he has circled all the way back to meatball

 

Hahahahahaha

[WrigleyField 22]

We're not talking about Soriano for a clear upgrade. We're talking about the swap of potentially risky assets. So intagibles like that will come into it.

 

I'm talking about the swap of a LFer coming off a surprisingly good year for a 3B coming off a year that is going to drag down his perceived value. The Cubs are desperate for 3B help, but can more easily acquire OF help.

 

Also, Soriano's value is being good. Being good and being a veteran isn't an additional value. Reed Johnson got credit for being a gritty vet, it's the same damn thing that doesn't help the team at all in reality, but rather makes fans feel better about how horrible they are.

Being gritty sure doesn't make feel better about sucking. Anyone can try hard.

 

 

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[biittner77]

What this thread needs is a 3 way trade proposal where the Cubs trade Soriano and wind up with Mike Trout.

 

In all seriousness though, the Yankees are going to have to pay the rest of ARod's contract regardless so them eating the money is a non issue. Arod won't be playing in 3 years anyway.

 

Trading Soriano makes sense for the Cubs since Arod + whoever they get in LF is still likely better than Soriano + whoever plays 3rd.

 

There's also the opportunity that, if Arod is already paid for, he could be moved at the deadline to a contender.

[XZero771679666304]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

[TheClash]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

 

http://tracking.si.com/2012/10/19/alex-rodriguez-trade-clause-playoffs-postseason-yankees-marlins-dodgers/?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

[bleedingblue]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

 

Of course he's going to say that. Leverage his way going somewhere he wants.

[Guest]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

 

Of course he's going to say that. Leverage his way going somewhere he wants.

 

He has a no trade clause. What leverage does he need to drum up by making misleading or false statements?

[jersey cubs fan]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

 

Of course he's going to say that. Leverage his way going somewhere he wants.

 

He has a no trade clause. What leverage does he need to drum up by making misleading or false statements?

 

To make it clear he's not simply going to accept whatever trade is put out there just to get out of town. It's leverage and face saving to say you want to stay and prove something.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I get [expletive] on for bringing up guys like Michael Taylor and Wade Davis, but these seem to be the types of reclamations that Epstein covets.

yes, let's try to resurrect the career of that guy with a 2.18 ERA right now

 

It sounds all so chancy

[biittner77]

Apparently ARod said last night that he won't waive his NTC because he's " got a lot to prove" or some such thing.

 

Of course he's going to say that. Leverage his way going somewhere he wants.

 

He has a no trade clause. What leverage does he need to drum up by making misleading or false statements?

 

To make it clear he's not simply going to accept whatever trade is put out there just to get out of town. It's leverage and face saving to say you want to stay and prove something.

 

It's really the only thing he can say since it will be really hard to trade him and there's a strong chance he's back next season. The fans have the whole off season to forget about his awful post season.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/cubs-to-shop-alfonso-soriano.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

The Cubs expect to meet with teams regarding Alfonso Soriano during the upcoming winter meetings in Nashville, major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Soriano holds a full no-trade clause and is owed a total of $36MM over the next two seasons.

 

The 36-year-old is still likely to garner strong interest from teams who need right-handed power and the Cubs are willing to include cash in the deal to make it work. Soriano may be more valuable than expected, when considering the two-year, $10MM contract free agent Jonny Gomes just received from the Red Sox. The Phillies would appear to be a strong fit for Soriano as they are still looking for a right-handed outfield bat to replace Hunter Pence, who was shipped to the Giants at the trade deadline.

[PackLandVA]

How much $$ would the Cubs realistically need top absorb before the season to make Soriano worth trading for?

[Little Slide Rooter]

How about Soriano for Dom Brown plus prospect(s,) with the Cubs including cash, with the amount of cash from the Cubs and prospects from the Phillies being dependant upon one another.

[CubInOK]

Nonononononononono.

[Neuby]

More than likely still have to eat half his contract to get any real value in return.

[Clem Fandango]

They were reported to be willing to eat 90%+ of it around the trade deadline, were they not? Eating salary to get a better return shouldn't be an issue for this team, and they've said as much in the past. He's coming off of one of his best seasons both offensively and defensively. If the Cubs are willing to eat more than 90% it should be easy to move him, provided he's willing to waive his NTC to go wherever they try and send him to.

[davell]

I think the Yanks, Orioles, Rays, Braves, and Phils would all have an interest. It makes no difference to me if we pay the entire contract or not, but theres no reason at all to deal him unless we get something solid in return.

[Backtobanks]

I think the Yanks, Orioles, Rays, Braves, and Phils would all have an interest. It makes no difference to me if we pay the entire contract or not, but theres no reason at all to deal him unless we get something solid in return.

 

You would think the AL teams would be interested because of the DH option as a rest for his aging knees.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think the Yanks, Orioles, Rays, Braves, and Phils would all have an interest. It makes no difference to me if we pay the entire contract or not, but theres no reason at all to deal him unless we get something solid in return.

 

Of course not. But at what point does the term "solid return" become relative? We're paying him 18MM for each of the next 2 years. Regardless of how or where he spends the next two seasons, we're paying at least 90% of that. After this offseason, his value can only go down. If there are no plans for contention this season or next, and we're paying the money anyway,are we better off paying for the final two years of an inconsistent career or for someone like Dom Brown or Alex Cobb and a few lottery tickets?

[davell]

To me, if we can get a Dom Brown, Alex Cobb, Brian Matusz, etc for him, we should do it. We may not replace his production in 2013(who knows though, Brown may outperform him), but its enough potential involved to pull the trigger, in my opinion.

[SouthSideRyan]

Are the people who have issues with "overpaying" in free agency ok with eating all of Soriano's contract to get better prospects?

[Rob]

Are the people who have issues with "overpaying" in free agency ok with eating all of Soriano's contract to get better prospects?

 

As always, it depends on the quantity and quality of the prospects.

 

I do have a hard time seeing an in-house replacement for his production though. If we do unload him, it diminishes whatever small chance this team has of getting lucky and making the playoffs. I'd want to get something worthwhile for making me lose interest in May instead of Mid-July.

[davell]

Are the people who have issues with "overpaying" in free agency ok with eating all of Soriano's contract to get better prospects?

Absolutely. That said, if we get offered a couple of top 20 prospects from an average system for him, I'd just hold onto him. If we get a young major leaguer with upside or a prospect package at least as good as the Dempster deal, trade him. If not, what good does it do to get rid of him?

[Neuby]

Are the people who have issues with "overpaying" in free agency ok with eating all of Soriano's contract to get better prospects?

Absolutely. That said, if we get offered a couple of top 20 prospects from an average system for him, I'd just hold onto him. If we get a young major leaguer with upside or a prospect package at least as good as the Dempster deal, trade him. If not, what good does it do to get rid of him?

 

Soriano is a sunk cost. His value possibly at it's highest. He's not part of the future so if you can get a couple top 20 prospects for him and some salary relief for the next two seasons you do it. At the same time you could be opening up at-bats for a young outfielder who's part of the future or another free agent off the scrap heap that they hope to flip for assets at the deadline. This same theory applies to Marmol/Dejesus .

[davell]

I actually think he's a pretty big influence on Castro. Unquantified stuff, that plenty of guys scoff at(maybe even rightly so) but he's got value to me as only the 2nd true power hitter in our lineup. Marmol? Much easier to replace on the FA market, same with DeJesus. I think he's worth a Dempster type package if we pay the majority of the deal. Meaning Soriano, not the other 2.