Verlander wins AL MVP

[David]

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BREAKING: Tigers RHP @JustinVerlander named AL MVP, becoming first pitcher to win both Cy Young and MVP since Dennis Eckersley in 1992.

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[sneakypower]

good for him, he deserved it

 

but you gotta feel for Ellsbury, who couldn't possibly have done anything more to help his team, and probably lost it due to circumstances outside of his control (much like Bautista, i guess)

 

seeing Michael Young get a first place vote was a real wtf moment though

[pitchcs]

I would have voted for Bautista.

[seanimal]

i mean, he was an awesome pitcher and all, but that's why he won the cy young. does it make me a meathead for thinking that a pitcher should need to do more than be an awesome starter to even be talked about for mvp? like, score some runs or something?

[jersey cubs fan]

i mean, he was an awesome pitcher and all, but that's why he won the cy young. does it make me a meathead for thinking that a pitcher should need to do more than be an awesome starter to even be talked about for mvp? like, score some runs or something?

 

I don't see why he'd have to score runs, but I'd think he should be a ridiculously good pitcher to get the MVP as well.

[sneakypower]

which he was; he's only the 2nd pitcher ('09 Greinke) to lead his league in bWAR since the turn of the millenium

[pitchcs]

Phil Rogers actually had a pretty good point in an article today that Detroit was 70-58 when Verlander didn't pitch, good for a .547 winning percentage. That % turns into 89-73 over a full season without Verlander....good enough to win the AL central by 9 games.

 

Not an MVP to me.

[seanimal]

i mean, he was an awesome pitcher and all, but that's why he won the cy young. does it make me a meathead for thinking that a pitcher should need to do more than be an awesome starter to even be talked about for mvp? like, score some runs or something?

 

I don't see why he'd have to score runs, but I'd think he should be a ridiculously good pitcher to get the MVP as well.

 

score runs, as in, contribute other than being the starting pitcher in just 21% of the team's games. even then, he only went the distance 4 times! how valuable is THAT?!?

[seanimal]

which he was; he's only the 2nd pitcher ('09 Greinke) to lead his league in bWAR since the turn of the millenium

 

that's great, he had an incredible season by history's standards. he's still not an mvp.

[seanimal]

which he was; he's only the 2nd pitcher ('09 Greinke) to lead his league in bWAR since the turn of the millenium

 

that's great, he had an incredible season by history's standards. he's still not an mvp.

 

well, i mean, he IS, but i don't think he should be.

[ConstableRabbit]

Phil Rogers actually had a pretty good point in an article today that Detroit was 70-58 when Verlander didn't pitch, good for a .547 winning percentage. That % turns into 89-73 over a full season without Verlander....good enough to win the AL central by 9 games.

 

Not an MVP to me.

Would he have been an MVP it it took 95 games to win the AL Central?

 

How many games did Detroit win as a result of bullpen being fresh because of all the innings Verlander threw?

 

The dude put up over 8 WAR -- he had a really good (yes, MVP-like) season.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Good for Verlander and I am all for a pitcher being able to win the MVP, but then aren't we missing an award? Why not add another award for the Most Outstanding hitter?

[ConstableRabbit]

Good for Verlander and I am all for a pitcher being able to win the MVP, but then aren't we missing an award? Why not add another award for the Most Outstanding hitter?

Yep, they need to either add that award to do away with the Cy.

[Guest]

Phil Rogers actually had a pretty good point in an article today that Detroit was 70-58 when Verlander didn't pitch, good for a .547 winning percentage. That % turns into 89-73 over a full season without Verlander....good enough to win the AL central by 9 games.

 

Not an MVP to me.

 

 

I hate this argument. It's an individual award. His team has nothing to do with it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

which he was; he's only the 2nd pitcher ('09 Greinke) to lead his league in bWAR since the turn of the millenium

 

that's great, he had an incredible season by history's standards. he's still not an mvp.

 

I agree

[Guest]

The only issue I have with this is the fact that there isn't really a high profile hitters/position player only award like there is with the Cy.

 

That's not to say that the MVP isn't usually treated as such (hence the controversy here).

[SouthSideRyan]

I would've voted for Bautista, but the anti-pitching/anti players from really good teams is silliness.

 

One voter didn't put Verlander in his top 10, one voter had Bautista 9th, one voter had Michael Young 1st, and one voter had Teixieria 7th.

 

If any voter did 2 of the above things they should probably be set on fire.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Good for Verlander and I am all for a pitcher being able to win the MVP, but then aren't we missing an award? Why not add another award for the Most Outstanding hitter?

Yep, they need to either add that award to do away with the Cy.

I would propose adding a hitters award in each league, then only have 1 MVP for all of baseball chosen from the 4 award winners.

[treebird]

Good for Verlander and I am all for a pitcher being able to win the MVP, but then aren't we missing an award? Why not add another award for the Most Outstanding hitter?

Yep, they need to either add that award to do away with the Cy.

I would propose adding a hitters award in each league, then only have 1 MVP for all of baseball chosen from the 4 award winners.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111024&content_id=25774346&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

[jersey cubs fan]

The only issue I have with this is the fact that there isn't really a high profile hitters/position player only award like there is with the Cy.

 

Not one high profile award, but there are silver slugger awards for each position, plus gold gloves for each position (and those often take into account hitting for some reason). Pitchers account for nearly 50% of the league, and they have one gold glove, one silver slugger (they do, right?) and one Cy Young. Position players have 8 silver sluggers (unless DH gets one, so 9th for half the teams), 8 gold gloves, and most MVPs. I don't think hitters are lacking in recognition.

[jersey cubs fan]

i mean, he was an awesome pitcher and all, but that's why he won the cy young. does it make me a meathead for thinking that a pitcher should need to do more than be an awesome starter to even be talked about for mvp? like, score some runs or something?

 

I don't see why he'd have to score runs, but I'd think he should be a ridiculously good pitcher to get the MVP as well.

 

score runs, as in, contribute other than being the starting pitcher in just 21% of the team's games. even then, he only went the distance 4 times! how valuable is THAT?!?

 

But they contribute to nearly 50% of every play in every game they do play in, while a position player may only contribute to a handful of plays in the field and 5 PA.

[pitchcs]

Phil Rogers actually had a pretty good point in an article today that Detroit was 70-58 when Verlander didn't pitch, good for a .547 winning percentage. That % turns into 89-73 over a full season without Verlander....good enough to win the AL central by 9 games.

 

Not an MVP to me.

 

 

I hate this argument. It's an individual award. His team has nothing to do with it.

 

 

ummm, what?

 

 

Who is the most valuable player to his team? That would be Jose Bautista, unquestionably. Who's even on the Blue Jays? That team finished .500 and they had Bautista, Ricky Romero and like 4 weeks of Brett Laurie.

 

Who's the best player? Possibly Verlander

[SouthSideRyan]

Phil Rogers actually had a pretty good point in an article today that Detroit was 70-58 when Verlander didn't pitch, good for a .547 winning percentage. That % turns into 89-73 over a full season without Verlander....good enough to win the AL central by 9 games.

 

Not an MVP to me.

 

 

I hate this argument. It's an individual award. His team has nothing to do with it.

 

 

ummm, what?

 

 

Who is the most valuable player to his team? That would be Jose Bautista, unquestionably. Who's even on the Blue Jays? That team finished .500 and they had Bautista, Ricky Romero and like 4 weeks of Brett Laurie.

 

Who's the best player? Possibly Verlander

 

But by your own logic(well, Phil Rogers's "logic"), Bautista's value doesn't matter because the Blue Jays could miss the playoffs without him.

[Post Count Padder]

He posted gaudy numbers and had an ERA+ above 400, but anyone else amused by David Robertson getting a vote for Cy Young and MVP?

[tfarks]

New York pressure, man. It's worth like 4 extra WAR.

 

3.9 + 4 = MVP/Cy Young