40-man roster and Rule 5 protects

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Okay, I think we decided that the deadline for rostering prospects to protect them from the Rule 5 draft is Saturday, Nov. 19.

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster

 

That link does a good job of listing all the players and what category they fall into. It has a full list of minor leaguers who must be put on the 40-man or be vulnerable to the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Cubs have seven empty spots on their 40-man roster, but of course that's very early in the process and doesn't take into account guys they may cut ties with or offseason acquisitions.

 

Someone who knows the minor leagues better than I do should look at the list of players who are Rule 5-eligible, but here are the names that I at least recognized from prospect discussions:

 

Jeffrey Beliveau, LHP

Ryan Flaherty, IF-OF

Jay Jackson, RHP

Junior Lake, SS

Dae-Eun Rhee, RHP

Rebel Ridling, 1B

Matt Szczur, OF

Josh Vitters, 3B

[JeffH]

Okay, I think we decided that the deadline for rostering prospects to protect them from the Rule 5 draft is Saturday, Nov. 19.

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster

 

That link does a good job of listing all the players and what category they fall into. It has a full list of minor leaguers who must be put on the 40-man or be vulnerable to the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Cubs have seven empty spots on their 40-man roster, but of course that's very early in the process and doesn't take into account guys they may cut ties with or offseason acquisitions.

 

Someone who knows the minor leagues better than I do should look at the list of players who are Rule 5-eligible, but here are the names that I at least recognized from prospect discussions:

 

Jeffrey Beliveau, LHP

Ryan Flaherty, IF-OF

Jay Jackson, RHP

Junior Lake, SS

Dae-Eun Rhee, RHP

Rebel Ridling, 1B

Matt Szczur, OF

Josh Vitters, 3B

 

No chance Ridling gets added. Jackson seems like an extreme longshot.

[Guest]

There's a bit of talk in this thread though it's about a month old now - it's a good reference: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=59418

[davell]

I'd say there are 6 candidates to be dropped off the current 40 man. They are Caridad, Maine, Mateo, Smit, Hill, and Montanez. The last 3 seem to be almost definite to be dropped, if you ask me. Then, you have Baker and DeWitt out there and to me, I feel sure one or the other will be gone. If Guzman looks healthy, he'll take a spot. I don't think Ridling has much of a shot to make it either. The other 6 all will, unless Jay Jackson gets left off, in which he'll then get taken in the Rule % anyway. Some other guys who are very likely to get kept are Jeffry Antigua, a lefty that throws low 90's with solid control, biggest issue is size aand Marwin Gonzalez, who's likely to be kept as a future utility guy. He'll play in the majors for someone, even if it's not us. But he's made great strides over the last year and a half. Guys with a shot at being kept are Marcus Hatley, Cubs thought enough of him to send him to the AFL anyway. Ryan Searle is a big guy with an excellent sinker and showed progress this past season. He's not ready yet, but he is a guy that a team could possibly hide for a season. Marquez Smith wasn't picked last year, but the right team could pluck him away. Not a huge loss, but he's probably going to eventually find his way onto a big league bench at some point. The most intriguing guy we have on this list though is Kyler Burke. He hasn't made it out of short season ball yet, since converting to pitcher and was thought to be a guy who was going to be a LOOGY, but has shown a mid 90's fastball and solid secondary stuff as well, to where it looks like he may have a ceiling of a mid rotation starter. And we honestly don't have that many of those around. He was excellent at Instructs and probably gets his start in Daytona next year, with a solid possibility of finishing at Tennessee. He's obviously very raw and the Cubs could take a chance by leaving him off, figuring a team couldn't hide him that long, with the intent of adding him the year after, but it IS risky and his upside could very well make the Cubs add him now. Bottom line though is the Cubs have tons of flexibility right now, so there's not really a roster crunch, no one should get left off this year, if the Cubs want to add him, they'll be able to without having to be creative.

[SouthSideRyan]

33 guys currently on the 40 man. Koyie Hill certain to be removed. Montanez likely. Wouldn't be surprised/broken up over Cabrera, Caridad, Gaub, Maine, or Smit being removed.

 

In addition to the ones Kyle listed, I could see these guys getting rostered.

 

Marwin Gonzalez - He's 4th in line of our AAA-Majors IFs (Barney, DJL, Flaherty) but he's 22 and could be stashed on somebody's bench as a 25th guy.

 

Marcus Hatley

Blake Parker

Ryan Searle

 

These 3 would basically come down to whether they're preferred over one of the relievers already on the roster.

 

I think it's important to note that Brett Jackson isn't on the 40 man yet, and while you don't necessarily hold a spot for him if you don't plan on him being your opening day CF, I'd be stunned if he wasn't added at some point this season.

[SouthSideRyan]

I thought about Burke, but can't imagine a team riding it out for a full season with a guy who just converted and hasn't pitched above low A.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Burke has a nice arm but since his High School days I have questioned his makeup/mental. I was rather surprised to see the Pods take him as early as they did, but knew he wanted to play, so it may have been a sign/monetary thing.

 

Personally I wouldnt be upset if he was left off and someone else took him. The year spent in the majors and not playing would end his development IMO.

[davell]

SSR, are you forgetting Antigua, or is he a flat out "no" for you?

[Guest]

33 guys currently on the 40 man. Koyie Hill certain to be removed. Montanez likely. Wouldn't be surprised/broken up over Cabrera, Caridad, Gaub, Maine, or Smit being removed.

 

In addition to the ones Kyle listed, I could see these guys getting rostered.

 

Marwin Gonzalez - He's 4th in line of our AAA-Majors IFs (Barney, DJL, Flaherty) but he's 22 and could be stashed on somebody's bench as a 25th guy.

 

Marcus Hatley

Blake Parker

Ryan Searle

 

These 3 would basically come down to whether they're preferred over one of the relievers already on the roster.

 

I think it's important to note that Brett Jackson isn't on the 40 man yet, and while you don't necessarily hold a spot for him if you don't plan on him being your opening day CF, I'd be stunned if he wasn't added at some point this season.

 

I suspect Caridad and Smit are likely to be removed and I don't think Hatley has done much in the AFL to keep himself in consideration but that's me.

[CUBZ99]

33 guys currently on the 40 man. Koyie Hill certain to be removed. Montanez likely. Wouldn't be surprised/broken up over Cabrera, Caridad, Gaub, Maine, or Smit being removed.

 

In addition to the ones Kyle listed, I could see these guys getting rostered.

 

Marwin Gonzalez - He's 4th in line of our AAA-Majors IFs (Barney, DJL, Flaherty) but he's 22 and could be stashed on somebody's bench as a 25th guy.

 

Marcus Hatley

Blake Parker

Ryan Searle

 

These 3 would basically come down to whether they're preferred over one of the relievers already on the roster.

 

I think it's important to note that Brett Jackson isn't on the 40 man yet, and while you don't necessarily hold a spot for him if you don't plan on him being your opening day CF, I'd be stunned if he wasn't added at some point this season.

 

I suspect Caridad and Smit are likely to be removed and I don't think Hatley has done much in the AFL to keep himself in consideration but that's me.

 

On Friday Hatley pitched on the televised AFL game and apparently has a very heavy 94 mph two seamer. His number don't look that great, but it would be real tough to give up on him if he could get it together. If the Cubs don't protect him I could definitely see him selected in the Rule 5 draft and stashed in someones bullpen.

[davell]

It'll be interesting to see how much differently Theo constructs the 40 man from how Hendry did. It seems like Hendry always kept around 8 to 10 guys he could shuttle in and out of 2 or 3 bullpen spots. And it also seemed like he'd have more pitching than hitting on the 40 man. I think we'll see a pronouned change, mainly with less bullpen guys, more upside, and probably a younger group of guys not playing in the majors.

[SouthSideRyan]

SSR, are you forgetting Antigua, or is he a flat out "no" for you?

 

I like Antigua, I just don't see any way he sticks on somebody else's roster. I feel like the 3 I mentioned could actually be in a big league pen this season if absolutely necessary. I don't think Antigua is there.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Okay, I think we decided that the deadline for rostering prospects to protect them from the Rule 5 draft is Saturday, Nov. 19.

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster

 

That link does a good job of listing all the players and what category they fall into. It has a full list of minor leaguers who must be put on the 40-man or be vulnerable to the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Cubs have seven empty spots on their 40-man roster, but of course that's very early in the process and doesn't take into account guys they may cut ties with or offseason acquisitions.

 

Someone who knows the minor leagues better than I do should look at the list of players who are Rule 5-eligible, but here are the names that I at least recognized from prospect discussions:

 

Jeffrey Beliveau, LHP

Ryan Flaherty, IF-OF

Jay Jackson, RHP

Junior Lake, SS

Dae-Eun Rhee, RHP

Rebel Ridling, 1B

Matt Szczur, OF

Josh Vitters, 3B

 

No chance Ridling gets added. Jackson seems like an extreme longshot.

 

I agree on Ridling. jackson on the other hand i thinkhe should be. As we learned the hard way last year our organization is thin on big league ready starting pitching. Jackson is a guy who if nothing else can step in so we dont 't have to cycle through another round of retread junkballers. He's also a possible candidate to be sent to Boston as compensation or used in a trade. His stock has fallen greatly but someone would very likely pick him and keep him around and I'd prefer he not go for nothing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

As for Marwin Gonzalez, i agree that someone would take him and keep him, but more power to them. We have plenty of MI depth all over the organization so Id be OK letting him go.

 

 

Isn't there an existing thread where this entire discussion already lives? I'm quite certain.

[Guest]

As for Marwin Gonzalez, i agree that someone would take him and keep him, but more power to them. We have plenty of MI depth all over the organization so Id be OK letting him go.

 

 

Isn't there an existing thread where this entire discussion already lives? I'm quite certain.

It's linked in this thread by Raisin, I believe.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Here's our current 40 man:

 

Pitchers

Alberto Cabrera

Esmailin Caridad

Chris Carpenter

Andrew Cashner

Casey Coleman

Ryan Dempster

Rafael Dolis

Matt Garza

John Gaub

Scott Maine

Carlos Marmol

Sean Marshall

Marcos Mateo

James Russell

Jeff Samardzija

Kyle Smit

Randy Wells

Carlos Zambrano

 

Catchers

Welington Castillo

Steve Clevenger

Koyie Hill

Geovany Soto

 

Infielders

Jeff Baker

Darwin Barney

Starlin Castro

Blake DeWitt

Bryan LaHair

DJ LeMahieu

 

Outfielders

Marlon Byrd

Tony Campana

Tyler Colvin

Lou Montanez

Alfonso Soriano

 

That's 33. Hills all but gone. If they want to add a few more spots, they can take off Caridad, Smit, and Montanez. I'd be fine removing Maine as well considering the depth of LH relievers we have.

 

That would leave 11-12 open spots. Obviously that can change depending on trades and FAs. I think we'll have enough space to save the important guys:

 

-Szczur

-Flaherty

-Lake(at one point I listed him as a guy who even if picked, he wouldn't stay on a roster long enough, but he might have turned enough heads last year and in Arizona for a team to take the chance and put him at the end of the bench)

-Vitters

-Beliveau

-Rhee (if taken, I doubt he's make it to the end of the season, but I'd rather not chance it)

-Jackson

-Antigua

 

I'm on the fence with Burke. I don't feel it necessary to protect him, but I'm very curious to see how he progresses as a pitcher.

 

There are guys like Marwin, Marquez Smith, and Blake Parker that I could see claimed and kept on a roster, but I doubt that we'd be :banghead: ing over them anytime soon.

[davell]

Our offseason calendar says it's tomorrow, but according to MLBTR, today's the day to add guys and protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Should be interesting to see what all we do.

[Guest]

@ChiTribRogers: #Cubs will add SS Junior Lake to 40-man roster today. It will be interesting to see who else lands a spot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Our offseason calendar says it's tomorrow, but according to MLBTR, today's the day to add guys and protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Should be interesting to see what all we do.

 

If they want, can't they just add whoever they want, at least as many open spots as they have and remove anyone later on if they choose?

[Rob]

Our offseason calendar says it's tomorrow, but according to MLBTR, today's the day to add guys and protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Should be interesting to see what all we do.

 

If they want, can't they just add whoever they want, at least as many open spots as they have and remove anyone later on if they choose?

 

Anyone you remove gets exposed to waivers. If you protected a guy because you thought a team was willing to pay $50,000 and stash the player on their major league bench all season it stands to reason that they'd claim him on waivers for nothing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@ChiTribRogers: #Cubs will add SS Junior Lake to 40-man roster today. It will be interesting to see who else lands a spot.

 

Interesting that Lake's already being reported but not yet Vitters.

[Guest]

@ChiTribRogers: #Cubs will add SS Junior Lake to 40-man roster today. It will be interesting to see who else lands a spot.

:yahoo:

 

Though I probably care more than most.

[KingCubsFan]

As for Marwin Gonzalez, i agree that someone would take him and keep him, but more power to them. We have plenty of MI depth all over the organization so Id be OK letting him go.

 

 

Isn't there an existing thread where this entire discussion already lives? I'm quite certain.

So you'd prefer to keep our 24 year old starter with mediocre stuff who just got rocked in AAA for a 22 year old middle infielder with good AAA numbers?

[Little Slide Rooter]

As for Marwin Gonzalez, i agree that someone would take him and keep him, but more power to them. We have plenty of MI depth all over the organization so Id be OK letting him go.

 

 

Isn't there an existing thread where this entire discussion already lives? I'm quite certain.

So you'd prefer to keep our 24 year old starter with mediocre stuff who just got rocked in AAA for a 22 year old middle infielder with good AAA numbers?

 

Marwin seems like a decent enough middle infielder. However, we have our share of those. It's always good to have depth, but if someone were to decide to pick him up so be it. As far as backup MI, he's in line behind Barney, Flaherty, LeMahieu, and maybe Lake in the next year or so and lower in the system we have Watkins, Amaya, Hernandez, and Baez. Even if the need for a backup SS did arise this coming season, Jonathon Mota seems like he could fill the same role as Gonzalez.

 

As we learned last season you can never have too many back of the rotation pitching options unless you want to end up with the likes of James Russell, Doug Davis, and Ramon Ortiz. Jackson seemed to be pulling it together by the end of the season anyway. I'll give him one more season unless he ends up being Theo comp.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs announced that Jeff Beliveau, Junior Lake, Matt Szczur and Josh Vitters have been added to the club's 40-man roster.

 

I'm very surprised that Flaherty hasn't been added, yet anyway. If not he's almost a sure thing to be taken. Of course he could be used in the Theo comp as well. They did want a big league ready super sub type, although I'd much prefer just send them Baker. My prediction is that Marwin is picked by someone and Jay is used as part of the Theo comp. I doubt that Rhee is polished enough for anyone to take him. I hope not anyway.

 

After all the talk, I guess that Flaherty and Jay wouldn't be the worst compensation package in the world, at least for us. I wonder how the SoShers who were talking Garza, Castro, Cashner, Brett, or McNutt would feel about it.