Who will be the manager? no Ryno talk version

[Guest]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

[imb]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

 

Is he even a candidate?

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

 

Is he even a candidate?

 

I think he's being considered but the Cubs haven't been granted permission to interview him yet.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

 

Is he even a candidate?

 

I think he's being considered but the Cubs haven't been granted permission to interview him yet.

If he is being considered, I don't think there would be any problem getting permission to speak with him... which leads me to believe maybe he is not a serious candidate.

[Guest]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

 

Is he even a candidate?

 

I think he's being considered but the Cubs haven't been granted permission to interview him yet.

If he is being considered, I don't think there would be any problem getting permission to speak with him... which leads me to believe maybe he is not a serious candidate.

Hard to guess what's going on behind the scenes. I'm still pulling for Martinez, but until we hear about an interview being scheduled I'm not going to be that hopeful.

[seanimal]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

[Sammy Sofa]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

 

Why?

[Guest]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

Search for UK's posts about him for more detail.

[seanimal]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

 

Why?

 

because we're attracted to him based upon those around him without knowing his contribution to the whole. i suppose we can assume that because the smart people we know are smart trust and rely on him, that he must be worthy of that trust, but how does that necessarily instil confidence that he can effectively perform a job that he hasn't yet shown he can do? i don't mean to argue that martinez is not a good candidate, just that i haven't seen any solid information to support the exuberance for his candidacy that has sprung forth on the forum as of late. especially given the tendency of great organizations to inflate the performance of their more average cogs.

 

i think this is different from someone like maddux, where we can draw positive correlations between his tenure with the rangers and the performance of the pitchers there. it's not absolute, and it certainly doesn't equate to success at the manager level, but it at least is evidence as opposed to speculation.

[Sammy Sofa]

For me it's that Martinez has been the bench coach for four years for who I think is easily the best manager in baseball, and one of the best run franchises when it comes to producing both talent and teams that succeed. That's more than enough for me to want to give him a shot.

 

I'd love to see him or Maddux get the job, but wanting Martinez shouldn't strike you as "troublesome" at all.

[seanimal]

For me it's that Martinez has been the bench coach for four years for who I think is easily the best manager in baseball, and one of the best run franchises when it comes to producing both talent and teams that succeed. That's more than enough for me to want to give him a shot.

 

I'd love to see him or Maddux get the job, but wanting Martinez shouldn't strike you as "troublesome" at all.

 

i didn't say wanting martinez was troublesome; i said the reasoning, if it is based on tangential evidence, is troublesome. i just don't see any actual evidence or convincing reasoning as to why i should like or want him making lineups over the likes of Alomar Jr., for instance.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think I just gave some convincing reasoning right there. I'm not sure what "evidence" you expect to see compared to Maddux; you're talking about a bench coach vs. a pitching coach.

 

What is the "evidence" he wouldn't be a good choice besides his lack of managing experience?

 

Hell, by the standards you've set forth, how do any of the first time manager candidates possibly stack up to Maddux?

[UK1679666180]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

 

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2011/10/27/joe-maddon-might-not-be-fit-red-sox-he-knows-

[seanimal]

I think I just gave some convincing reasoning right there. I'm not sure what "evidence" you expect to see compared to Maddux; you're talking about a bench coach vs. a pitching coach.

 

What is the "evidence" he wouldn't be a good choice besides his lack of managing experience?

 

Hell, by the standards you've set forth, how do any of the first time manager candidates possibly stack up to Maddux?

 

look young fella, i'm not saying your bearded dugout jesus wouldn't be a good manager or a better candidate than any other person on the radar. and i certainly understand that the nature of his work compared to say, a pitching coach, makes it more difficult to parse out what his contribution to the team may be. i'm not even suggesting that maybe, in the grand scheme of the rays success, his contribution is relatively small. but i don't see much that would stand in the way of a claim like that.

 

ultimately, i just think it's kind of goofy to be like "well i want guy x" because of [insert flimsy reasons here]. the facial hair decisions of the respective candidates seems about as solid of a preference point than anything else that's been trotted out here.

[UK1679666180]

I think I just gave some convincing reasoning right there. I'm not sure what "evidence" you expect to see compared to Maddux; you're talking about a bench coach vs. a pitching coach.

 

What is the "evidence" he wouldn't be a good choice besides his lack of managing experience?

 

Hell, by the standards you've set forth, how do any of the first time manager candidates possibly stack up to Maddux?

 

look young fella, i'm not saying your bearded dugout jesus wouldn't be a good manager or a better candidate than any other person on the radar. and i certainly understand that the nature of his work compared to say, a pitching coach, makes it more difficult to parse out what his contribution to the team may be. i'm not even suggesting that maybe, in the grand scheme of the rays success, his contribution is relatively small. but i don't see much that would stand in the way of a claim like that.

 

ultimately, i just think it's kind of goofy to be like "well i want guy x" because of [insert flimsy reasons here]. the facial hair decisions of the respective candidates seems about as solid of a preference point than anything else that's been trotted out here.

 

I don't know what type of proof you need? Baylor and Baker were good hitting coaches before becoming sub-par managers, Rothschild is/was a good pitching coach before bombing in TB.

 

As already mentioned, he has spent the last few years under the best manager of the game, handles the clubhouse, does most of the preparation for a team generally not expected to do as well as it does. No one knows if he would differ than Maddon as far as pitch counts, but I think given Tampa's pretty solid usage and lack of arm injuries that it would translate to him.

[seanimal]

i don't get the love for martinez, beyond the guilty-by-association thing with the rays. that strikes me as pretty troublesome reasoning if that's all we're going on.

 

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2011/10/27/joe-maddon-might-not-be-fit-red-sox-he-knows-

 

well he's clearly biased.

 

jk, and i would have to say that maddon's endorsement is about as good as it's going to get when it comes to QUOTEevidenceQUOTE. but it doesn't tell me that he can make the switch from his current role to one like maddon's, anymore than sveum or alomar jr. all i'm saying is i'm not ready to commit guys.

 

but i also understand that most, if not all of us, truly have no idea who would be a better mgr for this team amongst our top-tier candidates. i honestly think if we're talking about one of martinez, maddux, or alomar jr., then that in and of itself is a victory. i just don't trust that sveum guy, seems like an alabaster lovie smith to me.

[Theo]

so Maddux hates "Go Cubs Go" ? HIRE THIS MAN NOW!

[Vinestal]

I'm still pulling for Dave.

 

Is he even a candidate?

 

I think he's being considered but the Cubs haven't been granted permission to interview him yet.

If he is being considered, I don't think there would be any problem getting permission to speak with him... which leads me to believe maybe he is not a serious candidate.

Hard to guess what's going on behind the scenes. I'm still pulling for Martinez, but until we hear about an interview being scheduled I'm not going to be that hopeful.

It's possible he's quietly turning down the request for interviews. has he openly stated he wants to manage? Maybe he's as happy with the Rays as Maddon and Freidman are, I think they put something in the water down there that causes people not to want to leave. maybe it's like brainwashing lol.

[Vinestal]

Via Twitter: (@CSNMooney) Mike Maddux and #Cubs discussed potential roles for his brother, but wouldn't elaborate,saying it's a "private family matter."

 

interesting...

Though I doubt Greg wants an on the field job right now.

 

Also via Twitter: (@CSNMooney) Maddux: “What would I look for in a pitching coach?…Somebody who could put up with my second-guessing.”

[C.C.]

He's talking like he's our manager already. Edited November 9, 2011 by C.C.

[Guest]

CSNChicago CSN Chicago

RT @CSNMooney Sandy Alomar Jr. will interview with Cubs on Friday.

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[Guest]

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2011/11/excerpts-from-maddux-interview/

 

I think if the media has their say then Maddux is a shoe-in.

 

On how to handle Carlos Zambrano, "I heard he's a big teddy bear. I might just pick him up and burp him."

On why Chicago over Boston, "Chicago's a neat place."

On his impression of Theo Epstein and company, "I can't do an impression of them".

He "hates" the song, "Go Cubs Go"

About what kind of manager he'd be, "I'd be a guy that would trust his players. Being demanding, hold them accountable. That's the big thing."

ESPN's JonGreenberg had this to say, "Maddux has made us laugh several times. Also given us a lot of "what the eff" looks."

Edited November 9, 2011 by David

[Sammy Sofa]

Holy Shecky Greene.

[SouthSideRyan]

On his impression of Theo Epstein and company, "I can't do an impression of them".

 

I laughed.

[C.C.]

He hates the Go Cubs Go song? He must not be a drinker.