Total Hypothetical Here...

[Tim]

I'm corresponding with a Seattle writer who thinks it may be possible to get "King Felix" for a "King's ransom". It makes sense because they are a long way off from being even a decent team.

 

The question here is what everyone would be willing to part with to get him.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm corresponding with a Seattle writer who thinks it may be possible to get "King Felix" for a "King's ransom". It makes sense because they are a long way off from being even a decent team.

 

The question here is what everyone would be willing to part with to get him.

 

Zambrano, Soriano, Byrd and a 3rd round draft pick.

 

 

 

 

 

Or anything in the Cubs system.

[Vinestal]

You really think we would have what it would take? I don't think we have enough.

[OleMissCub]

fap fap

 

omg that'd be sick to get him

[Guest]

You really think we would have what it would take? I don't think we have enough.

Sure we do. You're just not willing to trade him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I'd love to have him, but I'd have to imagine it would essentially gut the system.

[Vinestal]

You really think we would have what it would take? I don't think we have enough.

Sure we do. You're just not willing to trade him.

oh... I see where your going here. Castro eh? Meh... I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Start with Jackson and McNutt. Add in Vitters if they'd take him. From the major league roster something like Barney and Cashner. Anything shy of Castro and Garza would be fine with me.

 

Great chance for the new guys to completely overhaul the system.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Probably Alfonso Soriano+prospects should do it. The prospects: Trey McNutt, Matt Szczur, Josh Vitters, Junior Lake, and Javier Baez.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, I'd love to have him, but I'd have to imagine it would essentially gut the system.

 

But what is this system? A bunch of mediocre ceilings at the top and quantity over quality. I would be more than happy to let them take just about anything they want, and lots of it, then let Theo's boys bring in fresh meat next June.

[UMFan83]

You might have to give up Castro in a deal to get him. We don't have the high end, high minors prospects that other teams obviously have.

 

I'm assuming Castro, Jackson, and a pitching prospect would get us in range.

[Guest]

Probably Alfonso Soriano+prospects should do it. The prospects: Trey McNutt, Matt Szczur, Josh Vitters, Junior Lake, and Javier Baez.

You couldn't do Baez yet. Well, you could do Jeffery Baez, but I doubt that would get you much.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wouldn't trade Castro alone for him.

[Guest]

Theo has always been enamored with Felix (ala Gonzalez).

 

I'm with Jersey. Anything short of those guys and I'm with it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think you'd have to do Castro if you were willing to give up your best remaining prospects. MY recollection is that Seattle is somewhat defense-obsessed at the moment, which should make them less demanding of Castro.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I'd love to have him, but I'd have to imagine it would essentially gut the system.

 

But what is this system? A bunch of mediocre ceilings at the top and quantity over quality. I would be more than happy to let them take just about anything they want, and lots of it, then let Theo's boys bring in fresh meat next June.

 

Enough project to be useful everyday starters that I'd be reluctant to just ship nearly everyone off. Those are the type of players that the Cubs do need to be producing instead of having to go out and sign too many of, and emptying out the farm system right now, unappealing as it may be ranked to you, would essentially seeing the Cubs to building their teams for the next several years almost totally via FA.

 

The time just isn't right, unfortunately, since the Cubs aren't producing enough players that make an impact on their own team or can make them major suitors in a deal like this.

[jersey cubs fan]

Enough project to be useful everyday starters that I'd be reluctant to just ship nearly everyone off. Those are the type of players that the Cubs do need to be producing instead of having to go out and sign too many of, and emptying out the farm system right now, unappealing as it may be ranked to you, would essentially seeing the Cubs to building their teams for the next several yeas almost totally via FA.

 

Eh, you should be able to retain enough future bullpen arms and role players that you wouldn't overly burden the free agent demand.

 

Jackson, McNutt, Vitters, Barney and Cashner still leaves you with internal options to handle 2B/3B in the short-term (Flaherty/Baker/LaMahieu/DeWitt), an OF of Byrd/Soriano/Colvin/Campana and somebody. Plus your catcher depth. Then you would have a actual ace and stud #2 in Garza. Completely overhauling what your rotation looks like. If you were to acquire him and sign Pujols you are looking at a potentially fantastic 2012 season with more money coming off the books to address 2013 needs.

[Banedon]

Should trade Jackson and McNutt for King Felix before the Theo compensation issue gets resolved, so we can watch Boston fans/ownership go nuts.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Probably Alfonso Soriano+prospects should do it. The prospects: Trey McNutt, Matt Szczur, Josh Vitters, Junior Lake, and Javier Baez.

You couldn't do Baez yet. Well, you could do Jeffery Baez, but I doubt that would get you much.

 

Havn't their been cases when a team thought they were getting one guy but got another with a similar name? Theo can make it happen.

[Sammy Sofa]

Enough project to be useful everyday starters that I'd be reluctant to just ship nearly everyone off. Those are the type of players that the Cubs do need to be producing instead of having to go out and sign too many of, and emptying out the farm system right now, unappealing as it may be ranked to you, would essentially seeing the Cubs to building their teams for the next several yeas almost totally via FA.

 

Eh, you should be able to retain enough future bullpen arms and role players that you wouldn't overly burden the free agent demand.

 

Jackson, McNutt, Vitters, Barney and Cashner still leaves you with internal options to handle 2B/3B in the short-term (Flaherty/Baker/LaMahieu/DeWitt), an OF of Byrd/Soriano/Colvin/Campana and somebody. Plus your catcher depth. Then you would have a actual ace and stud #2 in Garza. Completely overhauling what your rotation looks like. If you were to acquire him and sign Pujols you are looking at a potentially fantastic 2012 season with more money coming off the books to address 2013 needs.

 

Eh, I obviously wouldn't have a problem with the Cubs making that deal, but personally I don't think that gets it done.

[Guest]

Enough project to be useful everyday starters that I'd be reluctant to just ship nearly everyone off. Those are the type of players that the Cubs do need to be producing instead of having to go out and sign too many of, and emptying out the farm system right now, unappealing as it may be ranked to you, would essentially seeing the Cubs to building their teams for the next several yeas almost totally via FA.

 

Eh, you should be able to retain enough future bullpen arms and role players that you wouldn't overly burden the free agent demand.

 

Jackson, McNutt, Vitters, Barney and Cashner still leaves you with internal options to handle 2B/3B in the short-term (Flaherty/Baker/LaMahieu/DeWitt), an OF of Byrd/Soriano/Colvin/Campana and somebody. Plus your catcher depth. Then you would have a actual ace and stud #2 in Garza. Completely overhauling what your rotation looks like. If you were to acquire him and sign Pujols you are looking at a potentially fantastic 2012 season with more money coming off the books to address 2013 needs.

 

Eh, I obviously wouldn't have a problem with the Cubs making that deal, but personally I don't think that gets it done.

For one thing, that's likely to be too much of a 40 man roster hit for Seattle to absorb.

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, I obviously wouldn't have a problem with the Cubs making that deal, but personally I don't think that gets it done.

 

Fine with me. Add in couple more guys. The point is this system's strenght is its depth and the lower level people. Last year's influx of talent should help them in 2-4 years. The new guys they just hired should be overhauling the system immediately. I completely disagree about your "timing" comment, as the timing here is perfect for the Cubs. It is doubtful that the new braintrust is all that much in love with the Cubs best prospects. The Cubs just spend a boatload bringing in a new wave on talent. They finally have a GM who can make smart moves, and their owner is clearly willing to be creative and supportive of the team's efforts.

 

Theo should finally be able to take advantage of the Cubs resource advantage that Hendry was never able to do, which means you can take advantage of a potential Pujols/Felix offseason haul and completely revamp the team.

[Sammy Sofa]

The timing comment is more in regards to the Cubs simply not having the right "sexy" prospects to make them any kind of favorites in a deal like this (unless the Mariners are more about quantity over quality or would rather pick up a bunch of really young high ceiling guys) as opposed to the Cubs needing to hang on to what they have.

[jersey cubs fan]

For one thing, that's likely to be too much of a 40 man roster hit for Seattle to absorb.

 

Sure. They also have a pathetic roster that could stand to lose just about anyone. So you swap a couple younger guys who don't need to be rostered for some of those older guys. But you could be talking about 4 guys on their active roster next season, plus a guy in Vitters whose best value may be in hiding him on an AL roster.

[Guest]

Let me ask the question the way it was proposed to me: "Would (should) the Cubs trade Castro + Cashner for Felix?"

 

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to do both. I'm sure I'd TRY not to trade Castro. I'd strongly consider making the move straight up, but in the end, I'd probably keep Castro if that was the choice. I'm curious what others think, though.