bears game eight, at the eagles on monday night

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, intentional safeties have occured at the college and pro level. Wikipedia even references one that took place with 9 seconds left on the clock.

 

An example of a team trading an elective safety for a clock time advantage arose in college football's Backyard Brawl on December 1, 2007. Leading the West Virginia Mountaineers 13-7 with nine seconds remaining, the Pittsburgh Panthers faced a fourth down at their own 15. The Pittsburgh punter received the snap at the goal line and, instead of punting, scrambled in his end zone until the remaining time expired. He then stepped over the end line to concede two points, making the final score 13-9. West Virginia was thus denied the opportunity to gain possession of the ball to possibly score a winning touchdown.[4]

[minnesotacubsfan]

Yes, intentional safeties have occured at the college and pro level. Wikipedia even references one that took place with 9 seconds left on the clock.

 

An example of a team trading an elective safety for a clock time advantage arose in college football's Backyard Brawl on December 1, 2007. Leading the West Virginia Mountaineers 13-7 with nine seconds remaining, the Pittsburgh Panthers faced a fourth down at their own 15. The Pittsburgh punter received the snap at the goal line and, instead of punting, scrambled in his end zone until the remaining time expired. He then stepped over the end line to concede two points, making the final score 13-9. West Virginia was thus denied the opportunity to gain possession of the ball to possibly score a winning touchdown.[4]

 

 

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[UMFan83]

Yes, intentional safeties have occured at the college and pro level. Wikipedia even references one that took place with 9 seconds left on the clock.

 

An example of a team trading an elective safety for a clock time advantage arose in college football's Backyard Brawl on December 1, 2007. Leading the West Virginia Mountaineers 13-7 with nine seconds remaining, the Pittsburgh Panthers faced a fourth down at their own 15. The Pittsburgh punter received the snap at the goal line and, instead of punting, scrambled in his end zone until the remaining time expired. He then stepped over the end line to concede two points, making the final score 13-9. West Virginia was thus denied the opportunity to gain possession of the ball to possibly score a winning touchdown.[4]

 

Ahh yes I remember that now. The Pats did it before as well. Would be interesting to see how it would look from 40 yards out and faster more skilled NFL players going after them. Especially because as soon as return team sees Devin Hester back there to receive the snap, they know whats coming and abort the play and focus on charging towards Hester before time runs out. Also didn't realize that you don't get the free kick if time runs out on the play the safety occurs on.

 

Edit: It was in 2003, and the Pats were trailing by one when they intentionally took a safety with 3 minutes left in the game. It paid off too as their D held and NE got a game winning TD with a few seconds left.

[bcl412]

Random question since safety's are being discussed. Is the safety free kick the play where a team can call a fair catch and have a field goal in which the opposing team can't block it. Actually can this happen on any fair catch?

[minnesotacubsfan]

wut? are you thinking rugby or is this a real rule?

[SouthSideRyan]

What I'd be interested to find out is how the clock is stopped, and what the rule is on penalties in the end zone. Say Hester runs back to the end zone, then throws the ball 30 yards out of bounds. Does that clock not stop until the ball hits? Can the game end on intentional grounding? I assume the answer is yes to both of these, but I'm not certain.

[UMFan83]

Random question since safety's are being discussed. Is the safety free kick the play where a team can call a fair catch and have a field goal in which the opposing team can't block it. Actually can this happen on any fair catch?

 

I believe it can happen on any fair catch

 

Sebastian Janikowski once attempted something like a 75 yard FG off a play like that.

Edited November 8, 2011 by UMFan83

[minnesotacubsfan]

What I'd be interested to find out is how the clock is stopped, and what the rule is on penalties in the end zone. Say Hester runs back to the end zone, then throws the ball 30 yards out of bounds. Does that clock not stop until the ball hits? Can the game end on intentional grounding? I assume the answer is yes to both of these, but I'm not certain.

 

they would probably make them replay the down

[UMFan83]

What I'd be interested to find out is how the clock is stopped, and what the rule is on penalties in the end zone. Say Hester runs back to the end zone, then throws the ball 30 yards out of bounds. Does that clock not stop until the ball hits? Can the game end on intentional grounding? I assume the answer is yes to both of these, but I'm not certain.

 

they would probably make them replay the down

 

I don't think so. The penalty is loss of down, or in the end zone a safety. Since the other team is hypothetically benefiting from the play, by virtue of getting 2 points, I don't see how or why that would change at the end of a game.

[bcl412]

Random question since safety's are being discussed. Is the safety free kick the play where a team can call a fair catch and have a field goal in which the opposing team can't block it. Actually can this happen on any fair catch?

 

I believe it can happen on any fair catch

 

Sebastian Janikowski once attempted something like a 75 yard FG off a play like that.

 

Mason Crosby and I want to say Neil Rackers have as well. It never works but it's fun when it happens.

[SouthSideRyan]

Random question since safety's are being discussed. Is the safety free kick the play where a team can call a fair catch and have a field goal in which the opposing team can't block it. Actually can this happen on any fair catch?

 

Any fair catch I believe.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think Janikowski's was just an ordinary FG attempt thanks to whichever goof the Raiders had as head coach back then (Kiffin?)

[BigSlick]

that ruled, I was 99% sure they were gonna lose when they went down 24-17, but Cutler willed them to victory.

 

Its probably the best the O-Line has looked since...well, 2006 maybe?

[JonJayCutler]

Forte is on pace for 1600 yards rushing and 2400+ yards from scrimmage.

[JonJayCutler]

Good win, BTW. Playoff aspirations are looking pretty good right now. Win against Detroit and they look much better.

 

Need the Saints to beat the Falcons next week.

[BigSlick]

Also, has Hester actually regressed as a receiver? I haven't seen someone with such bad hands actually line up at the spot in an NFL game like this. He's now had 1-2 awful, inexcusable drops the last four or five games.

[CubInOK]

Yes, intentional safeties have occured at the college and pro level. Wikipedia even references one that took place with 9 seconds left on the clock.

 

An example of a team trading an elective safety for a clock time advantage arose in college football's Backyard Brawl on December 1, 2007. Leading the West Virginia Mountaineers 13-7 with nine seconds remaining, the Pittsburgh Panthers faced a fourth down at their own 15. The Pittsburgh punter received the snap at the goal line and, instead of punting, scrambled in his end zone until the remaining time expired. He then stepped over the end line to concede two points, making the final score 13-9. West Virginia was thus denied the opportunity to gain possession of the ball to possibly score a winning touchdown.[4]

OkSt @ Texas A&M. 4th down for osu and up 3, less than :05 left on the clock, Justin Blackmon takes a direct snap and runs for like 50 yards out of their own end zone for the safety to end the game.

[UMFan83]

Also, has Hester actually regressed as a receiver? I haven't seen someone with such bad hands actually line up at the spot in an NFL game like this. He's now had 1-2 awful, inexcusable drops the last four or five games.

 

I dunno but every time I completely give up on him, he'll make an unbelievable catch and/or make a sweet play in the open field to get extra yards. Frustrating inconsistency.

[SpongeWorthy]

I wanted to read this thread coming home happy and drunk from the bar but holy [expletive] the punt discourse between ssr and umfan is killing my postgame boner

[17 Seconds]

that was one of the more enjoyable bears games i can remember.

 

but holy [expletive] do i hate roy williams

[TruffleShuffle]

Hey give the eagles some credit, their D looked pretty good considering that it's being run by an offensive line coach.

[bukie]

Win next week, and the Bears would basically own the biebreaker against any team they're fighting with for wild card position...except the Saints.

[tfarks]

Sanzenbacher should never drop a pass.

 

Stay healthy forever Bennett.

[ConstableRabbit]

Haha Bears 12th in PFT power rankings. Love the hate!

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/week-nine-power-rankings-2/

[bukie]

Sagarin ratings for NFL teams as of week 9:

 

HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.57           RATING    W   L   T  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 16 
  1  Green Bay Packers       =  32.01    8   0   0   20.16(  17)   3  0  0 |   3  0  0 
  2  San Francisco 49ers     =  30.43    7   1   0   19.94(  18)   2  0  0 |   3  1  0 
  3  Detroit Lions           =  29.18    6   2   0   21.53(   7)   1  2  0 |   2  2  0 
  4  Chicago Bears           =  26.38    5   3   0   22.93(   2)   1  3  0 |   2  3  0 
  5  Baltimore Ravens        =  25.48    6   2   0   18.42(  24)   1  0  0 |   4  0  0 
  6  New Orleans Saints      =  25.43    6   3   0   19.16(  23)   1  1  0 |   2  1  0 
  7  Atlanta Falcons         =  24.68    5   3   0   21.42(   9)   1  2  0 |   2  2  0 
  8  New York Jets           =  24.51    5   3   0   20.17(  16)   1  1  0 |   2  2  0 
  9  Cincinnati Bengals      =  24.34    6   2   0   18.08(  27)   1  1  0 |   1  1  0 
 10  Buffalo Bills           =  24.30    5   3   0   19.88(  19)   0  2  0 |   2  3  0 
 11  New England Patriots    =  23.87    5   3   0   20.52(  13)   1  1  0 |   2  3  0 
 12  Houston Texans          =  23.38    6   3   0   17.08(  31)   0  2  0 |   1  2  0 
 13  Pittsburgh Steelers     =  21.96    6   3   0   17.87(  29)   0  2  0 |   1  3  0 
 14  Philadelphia Eagles     =  21.56    3   5   0   21.74(   6)   0  4  0 |   1  5  0 
 15  Dallas Cowboys          =  21.49    4   4   0   21.35(  10)   1  2  0 |   1  4  0 
 16  New York Giants         =  21.09    6   2   0   17.02(  32)   1  0  0 |   3  0  0 
 17  Tampa Bay Buccaneers    =  20.40    4   4   0   23.20(   1)   2  4  0 |   2  4  0 
 18  San Diego Chargers      =  19.66    4   4   0   19.74(  20)   0  2  0 |   0  3  0 
 19  Tennessee Titans        =  17.43    4   4   0   17.91(  28)   1  1  0 |   1  3  0 
 20  Oakland Raiders         =  17.03    4   4   0   19.16(  22)   1  1  0 |   2  2  0 
 21  Denver Broncos          =  16.84    3   5   0   21.17(  11)   1  2  0 |   1  2  0 
 22  Minnesota Vikings       =  16.48    2   6   0   21.45(   8)   0  3  0 |   0  3  0 
 23  Carolina Panthers       =  15.84    2   6   0   20.34(  15)   0  4  0 |   0  4  0 
 24  Washington Redskins     =  15.38    3   5   0   19.52(  21)   0  2  0 |   1  4  0 
 25  Jacksonville Jaguars    =  15.29    2   6   0   22.33(   3)   1  3  0 |   1  5  0 
 26  Kansas City Chiefs      =  15.18    4   4   0   18.20(  26)   0  2  0 |   0  2  0 
 27  Seattle Seahawks        =  14.40    2   6   0   21.92(   4)   0  3  0 |   1  5  0 
 28  Miami Dolphins          =  14.25    1   7   0   20.37(  14)   0  1  0 |   0  4  0 
 29  Cleveland Browns        =  13.31    3   5   0   18.21(  25)   0  2  0 |   0  3  0 
 30  Arizona Cardinals       =  12.55    2   6   0   17.56(  30)   0  1  0 |   0  3  0 
 31  St. Louis Rams          =   9.89    1   7   0   21.78(   5)   1  2  0 |   1  5  0 
 32  Indianapolis Colts      =   5.96    0   9   0   21.05(  12)   0  3  0 |   0  5  0