Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Omar]

What is the difference between "Assistant General Manager" and "Assistant to the General Manager" ?

 

 

one gets him contracts to sign, and one gets him coffee

 

Randy Bush has finally found his niche.

[imb]

What is the difference between "Assistant General Manager" and "Assistant to the General Manager" ?

 

 

one gets him contracts to sign, and one gets him coffee

 

Randy Bush has finally found his niche.

 

"We have this ... Jose Macias."

[Laura]

Peter Abraham / Boston Globe

 

The Red Sox and Cubs talked again yesterday regarding compensation for Epstein and were scheduled to meet again last night. If the sides cannot come to an agreement, commissioner Bud Selig will step in. Asked if a deal was possible without Selig’s help, Cherington said, “I still hope so. We’re making progress.’’

[seanhopper]

Here's a thought--could Theo and Hoyer be playing up their interest in Sveum? They could then bow out and let the Red Sox have the ability to negotiate with him without the threat of another team competing. The reasoning could be to help reduce the compensation demands the Sox are asking for.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's a thought--could Theo and Hoyer be playing up their interest in Sveum? They could then bow out and let the Red Sox have the ability to negotiate with him without the threat of another team competing. The reasoning could be to help reduce the compensation demands the Sox are asking for.

 

That would be incredibly unethical.

[Tryptamine]

Here's a thought--could Theo and Hoyer be playing up their interest in Sveum? They could then bow out and let the Red Sox have the ability to negotiate with him without the threat of another team competing. The reasoning could be to help reduce the compensation demands the Sox are asking for.

 

That would be incredibly unethical.

 

In what way? Feigning interest in someone for leverage sake is a nice ploy and I don't see anything even remotely wrong with it. Now if you're talking about Sveum's perspective then that sucks a little, but it's not like it's going to cost him a job or anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's a thought--could Theo and Hoyer be playing up their interest in Sveum? They could then bow out and let the Red Sox have the ability to negotiate with him without the threat of another team competing. The reasoning could be to help reduce the compensation demands the Sox are asking for.

 

That would be incredibly unethical.

 

In what way? Feigning interest in someone for leverage sake is a nice ploy and I don't see anything even remotely wrong with it. Now if you're talking about Sveum's perspective then that sucks a little, but it's not like it's going to cost him a job or anything.

 

Conspiring with another team to drive away interest in a third party? There's nothing wrong with feigning interest. But this suggestion wasn't simply feigning interest.

[davearm2]

Here's a thought--could Theo and Hoyer be playing up their interest in Sveum? They could then bow out and let the Red Sox have the ability to negotiate with him without the threat of another team competing. The reasoning could be to help reduce the compensation demands the Sox are asking for.

That's collusion.

 

Think it through: the way you're describing it, the compensation from the Cubs to the Red Sox is being paid by Sveum, at least partly, via reduced negotiating leverage.

 

I'd imagine Sveum and his agent would have an issue with that -- as well they should.

[UMFan83]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

 

The Red Sox could say 'no we'll take our chances hiring Dale, we think he would rather manage here' and they'd probably get him. Or they could decide to not take the risk and agree with the Cubs.

[Guest]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

[UMFan83]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

Extortion is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion.

 

This is not extortion, its an informal agreement willingly entered by 2 parties. If the Cubs were employing Sveum and keeping him from accepting a position with the Red Sox, that would be extortion.

 

If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

Edited November 16, 2011 by UMFan83

[jersey cubs fan]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

It's not an official agreement, its just talking. If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

 

you don't need official agreements to have unethical and illegal business transactions

[Guest]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

It's not an official agreement, its just talking. If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

If I say to you, "hey there, I see you have a new car. This is a bad place to have new cars. I hang out here so I'll protect it for you if you pay me 50 bucks. If not something bad could happen, and it probably will." we are just talking, it's not an official agreement.

[UMFan83]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

It's not an official agreement, its just talking. If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

If I say to you, "hey there, I see you have a new car. This is a bad place to have new cars. I hang out here so I'll protect it for you if you pay me 50 bucks. If not something bad could happen, and it probably will." we are just talking, it's not an official agreement.

 

That only makes sense if you have a legal right to destroy my car. The Cubs have every right to persue and hire Sveum even if it hurts the Red Sox.

[Tracer Bullet]

I love that we get a great FO and people immediately suggest that they should push ethical boundaries.

[Brett]

Can't imagine Red Sox fans would be thrilled to learn that the "compensation" they're getting for Epstein isn't Castro or Garza or Jackson or McNutt or even Carpenter or Lake ... it's the upgrade from Sandy Alomar, Jr. to Dale Sveum! Hooray!

 

The Sawx need to be able to sell the compensation thing in one of two ways to their fans (because that's the most important stakeholder in the whole thing - it's always been about PR): (1) look at this shiny prospect or two that we got! They're great!, or (2) Big bad Bud Selig screwed us out of a fair return, and this pretty good prospect is all we got.

 

In my mind, the "letting the Red Sox get the manager of their choice" thing never made much sense. Cherington said it was a non-issue last evening anyway.

[Guest]

They're not even going to get a "pretty good" prospect.

[davearm2]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

 

The Red Sox could say 'no we'll take our chances hiring Dale, we think he would rather manage here' and they'd probably get him. Or they could decide to not take the risk and agree with the Cubs.

The proposition you're describing is absolutely collusion. Whether it could be proven is a separate question.

[Guest]

BleacherNation Brett Taylor

RT @GordonEdes: Trainer Mike Reinold is not going to Cubs; neither is asst Dave Finley, according to major league sources.

9 minutes ago

[Laura]

nickcafardo Nick Cafardo

Cherington and Epstein have decided to take more time to settle compensation issue. MLB seems to be on board with extention.

11 minutes ago

[Guest]

nickcafardo Nick Cafardo

Cherington and Epstein have decided to take more time to settle compensation issue. MLB seems to be on board with extention.

11 minutes ago

ha. We aren't going to end up giving them anything.

[seanimal]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

It's not an official agreement, its just talking. If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

If I say to you, "hey there, I see you have a new car. This is a bad place to have new cars. I hang out here so I'll protect it for you if you pay me 50 bucks. If not something bad could happen, and it probably will." we are just talking, it's not an official agreement.

 

you guys should wear diapers on your face to keep this [expletive] from ruining the furniture

[Guest]

How can you prove collusion? The Cubs have an open managerial position and he's one of the 4 candidates they brought in to interview. Seeing the Red Sox interest, they say 'hey, Sveum is one of our two finalists. I hear he's one of yours too. We'll back off if you want to hire him, but I would expect you to back off your demand for Trey McNutt and be ok with Welington Castillo."

That's called extortion and it's illegal.

 

It's not an official agreement, its just talking. If the Red Sox say no, the Cubs can't make things more difficult for the Red Sox other than keep persuing Sveum, which they have every right to do. If the Red Sox say ok and still demand McNutt, the Cubs can't do anything either. But they can discuss a scenario that is mutually beneficial for each of them and keep it between themselves no official agreement.

If I say to you, "hey there, I see you have a new car. This is a bad place to have new cars. I hang out here so I'll protect it for you if you pay me 50 bucks. If not something bad could happen, and it probably will." we are just talking, it's not an official agreement.

 

you guys should wear diapers on your face to keep this [expletive] from ruining the furniture

Perhaps you haven't seen my repeated messages about returning NSBB to being a more friendly place again.

[Guest]

nickcafardo Nick Cafardo

Cherington and Epstein have decided to take more time to settle compensation issue. MLB seems to be on board with extention.

11 minutes ago

ha. We aren't going to end up giving them anything.

 

I'd bet big that they announce what little compensation there is within a couple days after a big Red Sox move this offseason.

[Guest]

nickcafardo Nick Cafardo

Cherington and Epstein have decided to take more time to settle compensation issue. MLB seems to be on board with extention.

11 minutes ago

ha. We aren't going to end up giving them anything.

 

I'd bet big that they announce what little compensation there is within a couple days after a big Red Sox move this offseason.

At this point, I'm thinking they keep stalling until they can just sweep it under the rug.