Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Laura]

sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault

As my co-host @Jen_Royle just reported on @WEEI - Cubs and Red Sox are talking about including about P Jeff Samardzija for compensation

 

I thought nobody on the 40 man was gonna be included....

 

Having different people at the table now probably shifts the bargaining positions.

[Cubswin11]

sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault

As my co-host @Jen_Royle just reported on @WEEI - Cubs and Red Sox are talking about including about P Jeff Samardzija for compensation

Isn't Samardzija a FA this offseason? Or do the Cubs control him and have to go through arbitration?

[Magnetic Curses]

What's funny is that if it goes to arbitration, then precedents really matter. Since there's absolutely not a trace of doubt left that this represents a promotion, the precedents are pretty much all the Cubs favor.

 

 

They apparently think Winn represents a precedent for a high return.

 

Piniella got Seattle Randy Winn, who at the time was a 28 year old all-star. Piniella didn't get paid what the Cubs have committed to Epstein (implication of value there) and Epstein's rings come from a hell of a lot more recent than Piniella's did when Tampa Bay acquired him.

 

Garza seems like a very similar price to pay for someone who will have a more significant role within the organization. How is that anything but a very reasonable demand?

That's absolutely hilarious.

 

Andy MacPhail is pretty much a perfect corollary here. The return was a non-descript A-ball pitcher.

 

andy macphail is exactly the precedent. there's no way they can justify taking a major league player or a top prospect.

[Rob]

sportstalkmatt Matt Perrault

As my co-host @Jen_Royle just reported on @WEEI - Cubs and Red Sox are talking about including about P Jeff Samardzija for compensation

Isn't Samardzija a FA this offseason? Or do the Cubs control him and have to go through arbitration?

 

He's not a FA. We've got some options on his contract, but if we decline them he's not even arb eligible yet.

[toonsterwu]

I'm fine giving up Samardzija. He's a passable/decent middle relief arm that can be replaced.

[The Other One]

I find it humorous that even if Boston cries and pouts about it being a lateral move, then the precedent will be set by what the Cubs give up for Hoyer.

[Vinestal]

I find it humorous that even if Boston cries and pouts about it being a lateral move, then the precedent will be set by what the Cubs give up for Hoyer.

How can they even argue its a lateral move? President of baseball ops is a clear step up from GM. Answered to Luccino, now answers to ownership. How is there anything lateral about that?

[Laura]

Boston Globe Red Sox:

 

RT @BostonLisaD: Departing #RedSox GM, running an ad in tomorrow's @BostonGlobe saluting Red Sox Nation. #classy

[Laura]

Selig will arbitrate if a deal cannot be reached by the end of the WS.

 

Scott Miller / CBS Sports[/url]"]

When the Cubs and Red Sox announced the Theo Epstein deal Friday night, they said that they had "reached an agreement regarding a process by which appropriate compensation will be determined for the Red Sox and that issue will be resolved in the near term."

 

That process, sources with knowledge of the talks said Saturday, will involved Commissioner Bud Selig serving as the arbiter if the clubs cannot agree on compensation. Most likely, that would happen fairly quickly after the World Series.

 

The two clubs are bickering strictly over players coming back to the Red Sox, one source said. As of now, there are no financial considerations.

[toonsterwu]

Honestly, if giving up Samardzija (or another small MLB piece, along with a secondary minor league piece or two) allows us to protect McNutt and let Boston talk about how they "won" and got a solid return because they got MLB talent, then I'm all for it.

[Guest]

Honestly, if giving up Samardzija (or another small MLB piece, along with a secondary minor league piece or two) allows us to protect McNutt and let Boston talk about how they "won" and got a solid return because they got MLB talent, then I'm all for it.

For the Red Sox owners group This is all about PR now. The media is going to devour them.

[scarey]

Seeing as Samardzija has a no trade clause, I doubt he's going to be included. It's possible that they talked to him about it and got him to agree. I think somebody somewhere along the line just threw a name out though.

[CubsWin]

I'm not too keen on giving up Samardzija. He only went full time baseball back in 2006. He's really started figuring it out. Towards the end of last season, his strikeout to walk ratio improved dramatically (finishing with a respectable 1.30 WHIP), and he was the most difficult Cubs pitcher to hit last season. Going into his age 27 season, he is a potential middle of the rotation starter or dominant reliever. He's also under Cubs control for quite a while.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe cautions Red Sox fans not to expect a "windfall" in exchange for Epstein. Abraham expects Boston to receive two or three prospects, or one prospect and a complementary Major Leaguer like Jeff Baker.

 

I very much like scenrio 2. Baker and a Carpenter/J Jax/Flaherty type prospect sounds more than fair.

[Little Slide Rooter]

As for the Samardzjia talk, go for it. Yeh, he seemed to be finally figuring it out, but unless they plan on trying him as a starter, I think we have enough guys to piece together a solid bullpen, such as Marmol, Marshall, Carpenter, Dolis, Beliveau, and Russell. That's 6 solid guys, and virtually every team has some random mop up guy at the end of the pen anyway, so just tack on Stevens, Berg, Maine, Gaub, Caridad, or whoever. Oh wait, never mind, I just remembered that Angel Guzman exists. That's a pretty solid pen for several years.

[dew1679666265]

Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe cautions Red Sox fans not to expect a "windfall" in exchange for Epstein. Abraham expects Boston to receive two or three prospects, or one prospect and a complementary Major Leaguer like Jeff Baker.

 

I very much like scenrio 2. Baker and a Carpenter/J Jax/Flaherty type prospect sounds more than fair.

 

I don't really like that. You look at the MacPhail promotion, we gave up an A ball prospect. At the time MacPhail was a young, hotshot executive who turned out to do a good job in turning the Cubs from awful to decent. It wouldn't surprise me to see something more than MacPhail garnered, but there's certainly no precedent for it.

[CubColtPacer]

Seeing as Samardzija has a no trade clause, I doubt he's going to be included. It's possible that they talked to him about it and got him to agree. I think somebody somewhere along the line just threw a name out though.

 

If the Cubs declined his option, that might be the end of Samardzija's no trade clause. But his contract is confusing enough that I wouldn't say anything for sure.

[toonsterwu]

I'm not too keen on giving up Samardzija. He only went full time baseball back in 2006. He's really started figuring it out. Towards the end of last season, his strikeout to walk ratio improved dramatically (finishing with a respectable 1.30 WHIP), and he was the most difficult Cubs pitcher to hit last season. Going into his age 27 season, he is a potential middle of the rotation starter or dominant reliever. He's also under Cubs control for quite a while.

 

It's quite hard for me to envision the Cubs, or anyone, transitioning Samardzija to a starter's workload and having him develop into a mid-rotation starter. He'd have to develop a 3rd pitch, improve his overall command, and show an ability to consistenty carry 2-3 pitches deep into games. His best case scenario seems to be a setup type, but even then, I think his secondary pitches have to improve, along with general command/control.

[THISisTHEyear09]

But I’m going into the offseason preparing like I’m a starter. I’ll be doing a whole lot of sets of nine. Everything on my mind will be gearing toward nine innings pitched. I’m going to get my mind and body ready to be a rotation pitcher. That’s what I’m being told and that’s what I’m going for. -Jeff Samardzija

[Little Slide Rooter]

But I’m going into the offseason preparing like I’m a starter. I’ll be doing a whole lot of sets of nine. Everything on my mind will be gearing toward nine innings pitched. I’m going to get my mind and body ready to be a rotation pitcher. That’s what I’m being told and that’s what I’m going for. -Jeff Samardzija

 

Interesting. If the options are him, Casey Coleman, or Rodrigo Lopez, I dont see any harm in trying it out.

[nowhereman]

 

It's quite hard for me to envision the Cubs, or anyone, transitioning Samardzija to a starter's workload and having him develop into a mid-rotation starter. He'd have to develop a 3rd pitch, improve his overall command, and show an ability to consistenty carry 2-3 pitches deep into games. His best case scenario seems to be a setup type, but even then, I think his secondary pitches have to improve, along with general command/control.

 

Fangraphs has him throwing 4 pitches in 2011.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3254&position=P#pitchtype

[Guest]

 

It's quite hard for me to envision the Cubs, or anyone, transitioning Samardzija to a starter's workload and having him develop into a mid-rotation starter. He'd have to develop a 3rd pitch, improve his overall command, and show an ability to consistenty carry 2-3 pitches deep into games. His best case scenario seems to be a setup type, but even then, I think his secondary pitches have to improve, along with general command/control.

 

Fangraphs has him throwing 4 pitches in 2011.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3254&position=P#pitchtype

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[XZero771679666304]

I find it humorous that even if Boston cries and pouts about it being a lateral move, then the precedent will be set by what the Cubs give up for Hoyer.

How can they even argue its a lateral move? President of baseball ops is a clear step up from GM. Answered to Luccino, now answers to ownership. How is there anything lateral about that?

 

LOL, you missed that part of the thread, I see. You're lucky.

[Omar]

So has Epstein already started to work in the Cubs front office?

[Guest]

So has Epstein already started to work in the Cubs front office?

Apparently. You can probably catch him at a local Starbucks if you're lucky.