Bears game 2: Sunday, Sep 18 @ NO, noon on Fox

[Magnetic Curses]

Not trying to derail the thread, but is Urlacher Hall of Fame material?

I think he is, but he's gonna need a few more pro bowls (may not get that) and a bit more hype in his later career. I don't think the rest of the county hears as much about Urlacher after his first few years where he came out and was instantly one of the best linebackers in the league. He's had a quiet last 5 or so years since his DPOY.

 

A Superbowl victory will help his case, certainly. :-"

 

Yeah, a ring would probably seal it for him. But I also think he gets in if he has about 3-4 healthy seasons playing at a high level. I think his career intertwining with Ray Lewis may hurt him a bit, as Urlacher is not even the "standard bearer" (no pun intended) at his position for his generation. But I think the numbers are there. The injuries are overblown as he's only missed games in 2 seperate seasons, 5 years apart. But perception is what it is. If he can play at a high level until 36 like Lewis, I think he has to get in. NOt going to be a first ballot guy, but shouldn't take long if that's the case.

 

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

[Banedon]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I don't think there's a chance that Urlacher will be an analyst. I could see him in coaching, though.

[mul21]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I don't think there's a chance that Urlacher will be an analyst. I could see him in coaching, though.

 

Wasn't real clear the way he wrote it, but he meant Lewis would be an analyst.

[OleMissCub]

and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I dunno about that. Perhaps being a Bears fan and living up there has caused some bias in that regard. I mean, Lewis was on the cover of Madden, played for the U, was in the news a ton with the obstruction of justice stuff years ago, and has this whole "Godfather" of the NFL players thing going on. That's not to say that Urlacher isn't also enormously recognizable and famous, but I don't think as much as Lewis. Also, Urlacher is definitely a HOFer. No doubt.

[Banedon]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I don't think there's a chance that Urlacher will be an analyst. I could see him in coaching, though.

 

Wasn't real clear the way he wrote it, but he meant Lewis would be an analyst.

 

Oh, yeah I see that now.

[UMFan83]

and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I dunno about that. Perhaps being a Bears fan and living up there has caused some bias in that regard. I mean, Lewis was on the cover of Madden, played for the U, was in the news a ton with the obstruction of justice stuff years ago, and has this whole "Godfather" of the NFL players thing going on. That's not to say that Urlacher isn't also enormously recognizable and famous, but I don't think as much as Lewis. Also, Urlacher is definitely a HOFer. No doubt.

 

Yeah but Urlacher has appeared on Entourage, and Lewis hasn't

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I don't think there's a chance that Urlacher will be an analyst. I could see him in coaching, though.

 

Wasn't real clear the way he wrote it, but he meant Lewis would be an analyst.

I pray this never happens.

[CubmanPi]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years.

I don't think this is accurate at all.

 

Ray Lewis was the starting MLB on a Super Bowl champion team that went something like 22 consecutive quarters during the regular season without scoring an offensive touchdown. (ETA - The Ravens still won 3 games during that stretch.) The quarterback for that Superbowl champion team was Trent Dilfer. Urlacher's defense led a team to the Superbowl with Grossman in charge (better than Dilfer), and they only took second that year. That year was the first of 7 playoff appearances for the Ravens, while Urlacher has only been part of 4 playoff teams.

 

EDIT - I'm only addressing the Urlacher-Lewis comparison, not his overall HOF chances. He'll get in.

Edited September 15, 2011 by CubmanPi

[Magnetic Curses]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years. the standard has passed between urlacher and lewis from season to season it seems and i don't think there's a noticeable difference there, and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I don't think there's a chance that Urlacher will be an analyst. I could see him in coaching, though.

 

Wasn't real clear the way he wrote it, but he meant Lewis would be an analyst.

 

it was totally clear the way i wrote it.

[Banedon]

Picks starting to roll in.

 

PFT: Florio takes the Bears, Rosenthal takes the Saints: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/15/pfts-week-two-picks-2/

 

CBSSports: They're not changing their tune. They all took the Falcons last week, and all take the Saints this week: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/features/writers/expert/picks

[Banedon]

Dunno if OMC will post it himself, but here's his "gif of the week" from the Saints board...

 

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/henryhill2.gif

 

[OleMissCub]

Cutler was literally the easiest QB I've ever done for one of those things. He has a limitless amount of open mouth/screaming pics.

 

FWIW, all of my Saints gifs from the past few years:

 

http://rynosgifs.tumblr.com/

[Guest]

and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I dunno about that. Perhaps being a Bears fan and living up there has caused some bias in that regard. I mean, Lewis was on the cover of Madden, played for the U, was in the news a ton with the obstruction of justice stuff years ago, and has this whole "Godfather" of the NFL players thing going on. That's not to say that Urlacher isn't also enormously recognizable and famous, but I don't think as much as Lewis. Also, Urlacher is definitely a HOFer. No doubt.

 

 

urlacher was on the cover of 2k when 2k>>>> madden

 

 

actually, 2k still >>> madden, they're just not allowed to make a game anymore.

[Magnetic Curses]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years.

I don't think this is accurate at all.

 

Ray Lewis was the starting MLB on a Super Bowl champion team that went something like 22 consecutive quarters during the regular season without scoring an offensive touchdown. (ETA - The Ravens still won 3 games during that stretch.) The quarterback for that Superbowl champion team was Trent Dilfer. Urlacher's defense led a team to the Superbowl with Grossman in charge (better than Dilfer), and they only took second that year. That year was the first of 7 playoff appearances for the Ravens, while Urlacher has only been part of 4 playoff teams.

 

EDIT - I'm only addressing the Urlacher-Lewis comparison, not his overall HOF chances. He'll get in.

 

hailing the awesomeness of the bears offense at really any time in history is not a good idea. saying grossman was better than dilfer so lewis is better than urlacher is kind of baffling. the ravens were a very good running team with one of the best left tackles that ever put on an NFL uniform and they were basically middle of the pack in terms of scoring offense. if you want to talk about terrible quarterbacks, the list starts in chicago with the guys who have been here since urlacher arrived, you're probably barking up the wrong tree, there.

 

lewis couldn't play mike in our defense, not like urlacher, whereas i have little doubt that urlacher could extend his career a few years playing in that 3-4 the ravens utilize.

[Magnetic Curses]

and despite all of lewis's personality and theatrics, urlacher is probably still a more recognizable name and face.

 

I dunno about that. Perhaps being a Bears fan and living up there has caused some bias in that regard. I mean, Lewis was on the cover of Madden, played for the U, was in the news a ton with the obstruction of justice stuff years ago, and has this whole "Godfather" of the NFL players thing going on. That's not to say that Urlacher isn't also enormously recognizable and famous, but I don't think as much as Lewis. Also, Urlacher is definitely a HOFer. No doubt.

 

 

urlacher was on the cover of 2k when 2k>>>> madden

 

 

actually, 2k still >>> madden, they're just not allowed to make a game anymore.

 

2k3. loved those games.

[OleMissCub]

fwiw, a guy I went to law school with, Jesse Mitchell, used to play D-Line for the Ravens and he said that their entire defense was often arranged just so Lewis could make a huge hit.

[Magnetic Curses]

Cutler was literally the easiest QB I've ever done for one of those things. He has a limitless amount of open mouth/screaming pics.

 

FWIW, all of my Saints gifs from the past few years:

 

http://rynosgifs.tumblr.com/

 

now do one with marshawn lynch

[SpongeWorthy]

That gif is great.

 

Did you shop some heads on the two guys in the background? One kinda looks like Robbie Gould.

[Guest]

That gif is great.

 

Did you shop some heads on the two guys in the background? One kinda looks like Robbie Gould.

 

 

Are you serious?

 

The other one is Urlacher.

[Guest]

Urlacher is back at Halas Hall today.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This idea that Urlacher isnt as recognizable as Lewis is stupid. Everyone I know in the Seattle area asks me about him, everyone sees him in the George, Butkis, Singletary lineage, and quite a few place him with Butkis at the top. Ray Lewis never comes up in the topic of the top LB's in the league. Its always Urlacher, OMC's kid in SF, or Mayo. The prevailing opinion is that Lewis is an old guy playing out his career. At one time, the best, but not anymore.

 

Urlacher is already a HoF'r

[SpongeWorthy]

That gif is great.

 

Did you shop some heads on the two guys in the background? One kinda looks like Robbie Gould.

 

 

Are you serious?

 

The other one is Urlacher.

 

Ah yeah. It's obviously Urlacher in the first frame but I didn't really look at him because Cutler is being wailed on. Couldn't tell it was him when the head changes to the 2nd pic.

[SpongeWorthy]

This idea that Urlacher isnt as recognizable as Lewis is stupid. Everyone I know in the Seattle area asks me about him, everyone sees him in the George, Butkis, Singletary lineage, and quite a few place him with Butkis at the top. Ray Lewis never comes up in the topic of the top LB's in the league. Its always Urlacher, OMC's kid in SF, or Mayo. The prevailing opinion is that Lewis is an old guy playing out his career. At one time, the best, but not anymore.

 

Urlacher is already a HoF'r

 

Lewis still comes up in those conversations and I think he's slightly more recognizable than Urlacher. Agreed about Urlacher being in the Hall of Fame already.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That gif is great.

 

Did you shop some heads on the two guys in the background? One kinda looks like Robbie Gould.

 

 

Are you serious?

 

The other one is Urlacher.

 

Ah yeah. It's obviously Urlacher in the first frame but I didn't really look at him because Cutler is being wailed on. Couldn't tell it was him when the head changes to the 2nd pic.

 

 

the guy on the right looks like gould

[CubmanPi]

i think urlacher, while not as engaging as lewis, who will most certainly be some sort of analyst after his playing days, has had a better career in the fact that his position is more important to what his team has done over the years.

I don't think this is accurate at all.

 

Ray Lewis was the starting MLB on a Super Bowl champion team that went something like 22 consecutive quarters during the regular season without scoring an offensive touchdown. (ETA - The Ravens still won 3 games during that stretch.) The quarterback for that Superbowl champion team was Trent Dilfer. Urlacher's defense led a team to the Superbowl with Grossman in charge (better than Dilfer), and they only took second that year. That year was the first of 7 playoff appearances for the Ravens, while Urlacher has only been part of 4 playoff teams.

 

EDIT - I'm only addressing the Urlacher-Lewis comparison, not his overall HOF chances. He'll get in.

 

hailing the awesomeness of the bears offense at really any time in history is not a good idea. saying grossman was better than dilfer so lewis is better than urlacher is kind of baffling. the ravens were a very good running team with one of the best left tackles that ever put on an NFL uniform and they were basically middle of the pack in terms of scoring offense. if you want to talk about terrible quarterbacks, the list starts in chicago with the guys who have been here since urlacher arrived, you're probably barking up the wrong tree, there.

 

lewis couldn't play mike in our defense, not like urlacher, whereas i have little doubt that urlacher could extend his career a few years playing in that 3-4 the ravens utilize.

You compared how important each person is to what their team has accomplished. I wasn't saying Grossman>Dilfer so Lewis>Urlacher. I wasn't hailing the awesomeness of the Bears defense, I was hailing the offensive ineptitude of that year's Ravens team, and that they still sealed the deal, which speaks more to their defense. All I'm saying is that looking at their accomplishments in the context of what their teams have done over the years only seems to strengthen the case for Lewis in comparing the two.