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[mookie]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

 

Why shouldnt it play a factor? Its not as if Epstein is more qualified than Beane, and he's way less realistic in the first place.

 

Because nobody gives a [expletive] about a story line, they want a [expletive] world series you dolt.

 

So Epstein is more likely to deliver one because....???

 

Let me give the magic guess...because he's already done it and uh..."knows how to win" or something in the vicinity.

 

FYI: Story is the only reason Epstein would take the job....broke the biggest curses in the sport is something of a story, even if I think it sucks. What other incentive does he have?

Edited September 29, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

 

 

He's not?

 

He is?

[Guest]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

The Crawford thing is the main negative on his resume to me. I'm still not sure WTF he was thinking there.

[Guest]

 

 

He's not?

 

He is?

 

You're the one saying he's not. Based on what?

[Guest]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

 

Why shouldnt it play a factor? Its not as if Epstein is more qualified than Beane, and he's way less realistic in the first place.

 

Because nobody gives a [expletive] about a story line, they want a [expletive] world series you dolt.

 

So Epstein is more likely to deliver one because....???

 

Let me give the magic guess...because he's already done it and uh..."knows how to win" or something in the vicinity.

 

Good grief, you are jumping all over the place. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

As I always say, it's not all about the money thrown around, it's what you have. The Red Sox have thrown around some big money on big players. Many of whom worked out very well for them, others, not so much. However, they also happened to produce the likes of Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youklis, Jacoby Ellsburry, John Lester, Clay Buchholtz, and last nights man of the hour, Jonathon Papelbon. They were also able to use other top farm hands to aquire players like Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez. We don't produce such players, certainly not all at once. What it comes down to is that we may have the money for Epstein to throw around, but we'll need more than that.

[Guest]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

As I always say, it's not all about the money thrown around, it's what you have. The Red Sox have thrown around some big money on big players. Many of whom worked out very well for them, others, not so much. However, they also happened to produce the likes of Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youklis, Jacoby Ellsburry, John Lester, Clay Buchholtz, and last nights man of the hour, Jonathon Papelbon. They were also able to use other top farm hands to aquire players like Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez. We don't produce such players, certainly not all at once. What it comes down to is that we may have the money for Epstein to throw around, but we'll need more than that.

 

Starlin Castro and Brett Jackson :-)

[Guest]

If there's one thing I learned during the fun last night, it's that i desperately want the Cubs to be relevant again.

 

Damn right.

[KingCubsFan]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

The Crawford thing is the main negative on his resume to me. I'm still not sure WTF he was thinking there.

I don't think anyone could predict Crawford's collapse this year. He was a good player, and while the contract was too long, the Red Sox can afford to do it. John Lackey, in my opinion, was a much worse decision.

[Guest]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

The Crawford thing is the main negative on his resume to me. I'm still not sure WTF he was thinking there.

I don't think anyone could predict Crawford's collapse this year. He was a good player, and while the contract was too long, the Red Sox can afford to do it. John Lackey, in my opinion, was a much worse decision.

 

There was just no reason to sign him to begin with when he was demanding that kind of money.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

The Crawford thing is the main negative on his resume to me. I'm still not sure WTF he was thinking there.

 

John Lackey....losing Farrell also really hurt their coaching staff...

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

 

 

He's not?

 

He is?

 

You're the one saying he's not. Based on what?

 

I'm saying he's no more qualified, which he isn't. Both are high end GMs who could handle this job, neither truly better than the other. My argument is that Beane makes more sense, is more realistic, and will have way more to prove with this job. If you want longer, read therest of the thread since typing on my phone sucks.

[Elrhino]

The Crawford signing was strange to me because he's really not that valuable as a corner outfielder. Kinda struck me as just assembling pieces rather than constructing a well formed team. And as Bill Simmons put it ... a rich person just buying a yacht. No real practical need for it, but it's cool to own a yacht. Bobby Jenks was an atrocious contract from Day 1.

 

But as pointed above ... I love their player development, and I would love it if he came over here.

[Clem Fandango]

The Red Sox probably coveted Carl Crawford before the FA period began. The reason they likely signed him for that much is because the [expletive] Nationals set the bar ridiculously high by signing Jayson Werth to that stupid [expletive] contract, thus making Crawford's asking price legitimate and justifiable.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Good grief, you are jumping all over the place. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

What makes Epstein better? What mAkes him more likely to win a WS? I believe the thought process is that hes done it already and that his success has been relatively recent, which to me is poor logic.

[Guest]

Good grief, you are jumping all over the place. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

What makes Epstein better? What mAkes him more likely to win a WS? I believe the thought process is that hes done it already and that his success has been relatively recent, which to me is poor logic.

 

None of which has anything to do with being a better storyline, which was the entire point of contention.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

The Red Sox probably coveted Carl Crawford before the FA period began. The reason they likely signed him for that much is because the [expletive] Nationals set the bar ridiculously high by signing Jayson Werth to that stupid [expletive] contract, thus making Crawford's asking price legitimate and justifiable.

 

Crawford was a terrible fit for their park as a LF. they signed baseballs rangiest LF who gets a ton of value that way to play in baseballs smallest LF. I thought that was a dumb aspect.

[davearm2]

Good grief, you are jumping all over the place. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

What makes Epstein better? What mAkes him more likely to win a WS? I believe the thought process is that hes done it already and that his success has been relatively recent, which to me is poor logic.

Between Beane and Epstein:

 

I'm more impressed with Epstein's drafting.

 

I'm more impressed with the improvement in the Sox' minor league system under Epstein.

 

I'm more impressed with the major league talent that's emerged under Epstein.

 

I'm more impressed with Epstein's ability to stockpile compensatory picks.

 

Epstein has experience working in a big-market, big-media environment, Beane doesn't.

 

Beane has made some trades that left me scratching my head, Epstein's have been more impressive.

 

Epstein has some questionable FA signs on his resume, but Beane probably would too if he had the money to spend.

 

For these reasons, I think the Cubs would improve more dramatically with Epstein in charge.

[Vinestal]

Good grief, you are jumping all over the place. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

What makes Epstein better? What mAkes him more likely to win a WS? I believe the thought process is that hes done it already and that his success has been relatively recent, which to me is poor logic.

Between Beane and Epstein:

 

I'm more impressed with Epstein's drafting.

 

I'm more impressed with the improvement in the Sox' minor league system under Epstein.

 

I'm more impressed with the major league talent that's emerged under Epstein.

 

I'm more impressed with Epstein's ability to stockpile compensatory picks.

 

Epstein has experience working in a big-market, big-media environment, Beane doesn't.

 

Beane has made some trades that left me scratching my head, Epstein's have been more impressive.

 

Epstein has some questionable FA signs on his resume, but Beane probably would too if he had the money to spend.

 

For these reasons, I think the Cubs would improve more dramatically with Epstein in charge.

 

These are all excellent reasons for wanting Epstein over Beane. Well said! He's my preference as well. I don't expect us to get either one but I'd defiantly want Epstein over Beane.

[Brett]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

The Crawford thing is the main negative on his resume to me. I'm still not sure WTF he was thinking there.

 

John Lackey....losing Farrell also really hurt their coaching staff...

 

The Matsuzaka deal, when adding in the posting fee, isn't particularly great, either. Yes, decent in 2007 and good in 2008, but since then it's been quite the albatross - and that's without people factoring in an apportioned amount from the posting fee.

 

On the balance, though, I'm a huge Epstein booster. Give even the best GM enough money and enough time, and he'll sign some stinkers.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Red Sox fans have a right to call out Epstein. He has thrown around some bad money recently. The signing of Carl Crawford is still amazingly head scratching. I am not saying Epstein is bad, but hopefully he has learned some lessons this season about building with depth. If he has I will welcome him to the Cubs. If he hasn't, he scares the crap out of me.

 

They've won 90 or more in 7 or the 9 seasons he's been at the healm. The two years he failed to win 90, they won 86 and 89. They've been in the postseason 6 times under his watch, with 2 WS titles. And while did all this with a high payroll, it was dwarfed by the payroll of his primary competition.

 

Every GM is going to have a move that looks great, and every GM is going to have some moves that look bad. But bitching at a GM that has brought as much success to the Red Sox as Epstein has is asinine. It is extremely likely that bad overpays he has made are largely due to the pressure of keeping up with the Joneses. But even with a bad signing or three, the guy's team wins all the damn time.

[UMFan83]

With the Cubs, Theo would likely be playing with a slightly smaller payroll that makes it more difficult to withstand bad contracts like JD Drew, John Lackey, Julio Lugo, Carl Crawford and Matt Clement.

 

In fact how are those contracts any different than signing (or resigning) players like Carlos Zambrano, Alfonso Soriano, John Grabow, Milton Bradley. Both GMs signed players to large contracts and did not get their value back from them.

 

That said, I am certainly not saying that Theo = Hendry. When it comes to player development, Theo destroys Hendry. And obviously, Theo uses relevent statistics to evaluate players and that makes all the difference in signing and not signing a player like Soriano. As bad as some of those bad contracts that I listed above are, Theo has guided a team in the toughest division in the toughest league to 86+ wins every year. He clearly puts his team in a position where the team can still compete even if he makes a bad signing or two.

[Elrhino]

It's fair to point out his previous accomplishments, and also fair to point out he hasn't made the playoffs in back to back seasons despite a near $160+ million payroll and after committing $300 million in contracts over this past offseason.

[Guest]

It's fair to point out his previous accomplishments, and also fair to point out he hasn't made the playoffs in back to back seasons despite a near $160+ million payroll and after committing $300 million in contracts over this past offseason.

Ths is crazy, the results speak. He wouldn't be battling the evil empire and need to win 95 games every year to win the division.