A-Rod participating illegal high-stakes poker?

[SouthSideRyan]

maybe bud selig will pressure him to take a year off to try nba basketball before heroically coming back to the yankees

 

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

[SouthSideRyan]

maybe bud selig will pressure him to take a year off to try nba basketball before heroically coming back to the yankees

you just became murder suspect #1

 

I don't totally get it, but I think I like it.

[Cubswin11]

So is Selig/MLB going to investigate the 90% of players that are playing poker and doing other forms of gambling/betting in their teams own clubhouses?

[Sammy Sofa]

Seems right up there with outdated laws regarding prostitution and alcohol that are based more out of morality as opposed to an actual need for legislation.

 

Wait, so we shouldn't ever legislate morality?

 

That's not what I said. Murder is morally wrong. The issue is when you start crossing over into things like gambling and when and where you can buy booze and even prostitution where you're making laws more out out of a sense of outdated hysterical (and typically faith-based) morality than an actual legal need or problem. When you're making laws that way you're typically just creating more problems for yourself than solving any (mainly because you've just created more crimes and avenues for crime).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Gambling is dangerous. It may not be dangerous enough to warrant a ban, but it is not harmless.

[Sammy Sofa]

I never said it was harmless. But there's tons of things that we enjoy without nearly the same restrictions that are far from harmless. And the cost of such legislation far exceeds the gain.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gambling is dangerous. It may not be dangerous enough to warrant a ban, but it is not harmless.

 

much like alcohol, tobacco, half of the food we eat, and a bunch of other things people do everyday.

[javy knows my name]

I still don't understand why poker/gambling is illegal sometimes.

 

This goes double for online poker. The US is the only country that places restrictions on it, and the restrictions basically kill it in this country.

Swing and a miss.

 

The US restrictions have completely killed it (banhammered) and it is pretty regulated through most of Europe.

 

But yeah, it's really stupid. Legalize, set standard practices, regulate it and tax it.

 

No. It has not been completely killed. There are still several reputable sites that accept US players. Ask me if I'll tell you what they are.

 

The US first started putting sanctions on online payment processors, which drove away the big fish who realized that they could still keep a ton of traffic if they disallowed players from the US. That about cut US options in half, and then Absolute and Full Tilt starting doing shady things and drawing attention to themselves and they were banhammered. There is still one very big room that accepts US players, but they're getting kind of scary, too.

 

How the [expletive] is it regulated in Europe? They have access to all the payment processors, and no sites that I know of say "no" to Europeans and "yes" to Canadians. Or Chinese. Or whatever. I suspect you're talking about of your ass here.

[NonProfitCow]

No. It has not been completely killed. There are still several reputable sites that accept US players. Ask me if I'll tell you what they are.

If you have to search that hard for reputable sites, it has been banhammered. Pokerstars and Fulltilt are no longer accepting US players. Full Tilt hasn't even paid out.

 

The US first started putting sanctions on online payment processors, which drove away the big fish who realized that they could still keep a ton of traffic if they disallowed players from the US. That about cut US options in half, and then Absolute and Full Tilt starting doing shady things and drawing attention to themselves and they were banhammered. There is still one very big room that accepts US players, but they're getting kind of scary, too.

I have no clue what room you're talking about here, but I can guarantee you it's not big and it's not reputable in any way. Maybe Cereus? It operated for a couple weeks after Tilt/Stars were seized, but it's shut down like the others AFAIK. Absolute/Ultimate Bet has been shady for years. With the Russ Hamilton and superuser issues. Cake and the Merge networks were complete [expletive] with very few players. The only 2 reputable sites with good traffic were Tilt and Stars.

 

Online US poker is DEAD.

 

How the [expletive] is it regulated in Europe? They have access to all the payment processors, and no sites that I know of say "no" to Europeans and "yes" to Canadians. Or Chinese. Or whatever. I suspect you're talking about of your ass here.

They have national sites like pokerstars.it and .fr where France and Italy then collect taxes. IIRC, Belgium as well with Germany on the way.

 

I suspect you're talking about of your ass here.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Gambling is dangerous. It may not be dangerous enough to warrant a ban, but it is not harmless.

 

much like alcohol, tobacco, half of the food we eat, and a bunch of other things people do everyday.

 

Exactly. I'm not saying I agree with the ban, but it's not as if the government is just stepping into some random area where it has no interest.

[TruffleShuffle]

chopping vegetables is dangerous too, i know a guy who severed a tendon in his finger because the knife slipped and sliced open his finger.

[CubmanPi]

There's no need to slice tomatoes with knives when we have sporks.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

chopping vegetables is dangerous too, i know a guy who severed a tendon in his finger because the knife slipped and sliced open his finger.

 

Okay. And if there were a type of vegetable knife where a known, significant percentage of users will slip and slice open their fingers, wouldn't you want the government to step in?

[TruffleShuffle]

no

[CubmanPi]

chopping vegetables is dangerous too, i know a guy who severed a tendon in his finger because the knife slipped and sliced open his finger.

 

Okay. And if there were a type of vegetable knife where a known, significant percentage of users will slip and slice open their fingers, wouldn't you want the government to step in?

 

If the government wants to step in and say that knife manufacturers need to make known upfront that such a percentage exists, and they want to regulate when and where knives can be purchased, and they want to regulate where vegetables can be cut using said knives and how old you have to be to cut them, that's fine. If the percentage is severe enough, they can go so far as to require knife manufacturers to use a certain portion of their profits to make available to their customers resources and methods they can use to reduce or eliminate the use of knives in their lives if they have trouble doing so by themselves.

 

However, I don't want them using that percentage as justification to force me to choose between chopping an onion with a spork and making chili with no onions.

[NonProfitCow]

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[TruffleShuffle]

just to be clear, the guy who enjoys arguing in the politics thread that we need to get rid of deficits and says the government needs to stop spending money is the guy who's arguing that it's okay for the government to be spending money shutting down something that could potentially be a significant tax revenue stream. this is when you say to yourself, "you know, i think this guy is just bored and likes to argue."

[imb]

can we just stick kyle and mojo in a room until they kill each other

[Hairyducked Idiot]

just to be clear, the guy who enjoys arguing in the politics thread that we need to get rid of deficits and says the government needs to stop spending money is the guy who's arguing that it's okay for the government to be spending money shutting down something that could potentially be a significant tax revenue stream. this is when you say to yourself, "you know, i think this guy is just bored and likes to argue."

 

And I say that since you've made it some sort of weird issue to post that about me several times a day, you could at least take the time to actually read my posts. I never once said what you just accused me of saying. Not even anything remotely close to that, to be honest.

 

All I'm saying is that this isn't stupid, morality based legislation in an area the government has no business in, which was what was originally asserted.

 

It's stupid overregulation of an area that government has a normal interest in, for the benefit of casino lobbyists.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

can we just stick kyle and mojo in a room until they kill each other

 

If people quit making really terrible arguments, I'd quit having to point it out.

[Sammy Sofa]

What terrible argument?

 

Morality-based legislation against gambling is nothing new in this country. Though the details have changed over the years, that's still the basis of why things like anti-gambling laws exist and have continued to exist. The idea that it's legislated against because of some sound sense of "good" is just childishly naive. It's a combination of certain financial interests and grandfathered-in ideas of what certain segments of the population are convinced are "wrong" because of course they always have been.

Edited August 5, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[TruffleShuffle]

just to be clear, the guy who enjoys arguing in the politics thread that we need to get rid of deficits and says the government needs to stop spending money is the guy who's arguing that it's okay for the government to be spending money shutting down something that could potentially be a significant tax revenue stream. this is when you say to yourself, "you know, i think this guy is just bored and likes to argue."

 

And I say that since you've made it some sort of weird issue to post that about me several times a day, you could at least take the time to actually read my posts. I never once said what you just accused me of saying. Not even anything remotely close to that, to be honest.

 

All I'm saying is that this isn't stupid, morality based legislation in an area the government has no business in, which was what was originally asserted.

 

It's stupid overregulation of an area that government has a normal interest in, for the benefit of casino lobbyists.

 

but you write things about how gambling has negative impacts and the government is stepping into an area where it has an interest, and it becomes unclear what your opinion is. if you'd stop playing devil's advocate in every thread, it would be a lot easier to understand your positions on things.

[erik316wttn]

can we just stick kyle and mojo in a room until they kill each other

 

Can we give them weapons, or will it just be hand-to-hand combat? I need to know if I'm going to organize the betting.

[javy knows my name]

No. It has not been completely killed. There are still several reputable sites that accept US players. Ask me if I'll tell you what they are.

If you have to search that hard for reputable sites, it has been banhammered. Pokerstars and Fulltilt are no longer accepting US players. Full Tilt hasn't even paid out.

 

The US first started putting sanctions on online payment processors, which drove away the big fish who realized that they could still keep a ton of traffic if they disallowed players from the US. That about cut US options in half, and then Absolute and Full Tilt starting doing shady things and drawing attention to themselves and they were banhammered. There is still one very big room that accepts US players, but they're getting kind of scary, too.

I have no clue what room you're talking about here, but I can guarantee you it's not big and it's not reputable in any way. Maybe Cereus? It operated for a couple weeks after Tilt/Stars were seized, but it's shut down like the others AFAIK. Absolute/Ultimate Bet has been shady for years. With the Russ Hamilton and superuser issues. Cake and the Merge networks were complete [expletive] with very few players. The only 2 reputable sites with good traffic were Tilt and Stars.

 

Online US poker is DEAD.

 

How the [expletive] is it regulated in Europe? They have access to all the payment processors, and no sites that I know of say "no" to Europeans and "yes" to Canadians. Or Chinese. Or whatever. I suspect you're talking about of your ass here.

They have national sites like pokerstars.it and .fr where France and Italy then collect taxes. IIRC, Belgium as well with Germany on the way.

 

I suspect you're talking about of your ass here.

 

Ah, that's what you meant by regulation. I didn't know those governments were collecting taxes on play at Stars.

 

Merge was the network I was talking about. Of course, they aren't currently taking new signups.

 

This thread on 2+2 is my main reference. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/where-can-us-players-play-1021260/

[Rob]

can we just stick kyle and mojo in a room until they kill each other

 

I saw an episode of The Shield with a similar situation, though it was a shipping container on the outskirts of town.