Struck & Lake to Tenn; B. Jackson off DL; Ha Down to Daytona

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Just for WSR.

 

DJ LeMahieu to the big leagues, Junior Lake to Tennessee.

Nick Struck to Tennessee, Robert Whitenack to the Tennessee DL, Oswaldo Martinez off Daytona's DL.

Brett Jackson off Tennessee's DL, Jae-Hoon Ha down to Daytona.

Welington Castillo down to Iowa, Steve Clevenger down to Tennessee.

 

If Whitenack hadn't gotten hurt, we could have had an all-2009 draftees rotation at Tennessee (Rusin, Raley, Whitenack, McNutt, Struck).

[TruffleShuffle]

i guess the ha promotion was just an injury thing. he had been pretty good at AA.

 

clevenger should be at AAA (or backing up in the big leagues), but it's better to have him playing most days at tennessee and castillo playing most days at iowa.

[CubsWin]

i guess the ha promotion was just an injury thing. he had been pretty good at AA.

 

clevenger should be at AAA (or backing up in the big leagues), but it's better to have him playing most days at tennessee and castillo playing most days at iowa.

Agree on the catchers. And Ha back to Daytona makes sense given that he's just 20, but it surprised me given what the Cubs had said about his promotion not being injury-related. I'm glad to see Lake moving up. He'd spent a lot of time at High-A and was hitting well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Soriano hits the DL, we can expect 1 of 2 corresponding moves:

 

1. Tyler Colvin called up, Brett Jackson to Iowa

2. Brett Jackson called up.

 

In either case, they might not want to put Ha on that flight to Florida just yet.

[Rob]

I could have sworn I read something where Fleita said Ha wouldn't be going back down... guess he changed his mind. Either that or I imagined it.

[Guest]

I could have sworn I read something where Fleita said Ha wouldn't be going back down... guess he changed his mind. Either that or I imagined it.

 

No, he told Bruce Miles that Ha was wasn't promoted solely due to Jackson's injury. I wish they had promoted Evan Crawford if it was only an injury replacement.

[craig]

I could have sworn I read something where Fleita said Ha wouldn't be going back down... guess he changed his mind. Either that or I imagined it.

 

I think they can change their minds pretty quickly as circumstances change.

 

Quote from: cwells52 on May 30, 2011, 11:01:28 am

...the entire deal with getting picked off as a pinch runner on Saturday seemed to a bad setting point for him around here. You could tell the managers/coaches were really turned off with it...He completely fell asleep on first and possibly cost them the game. His BA has plummeted the last week and he has been stuggling.

[javy knows my name]

I could have sworn I read something where Fleita said Ha wouldn't be going back down... guess he changed his mind. Either that or I imagined it.

 

I think they can change their minds pretty quickly as circumstances change.

 

Quote from: cwells52 on May 30, 2011, 11:01:28 am

...the entire deal with getting picked off as a pinch runner on Saturday seemed to a bad setting point for him around here. You could tell the managers/coaches were really turned off with it...He completely fell asleep on first and possibly cost them the game. His BA has plummeted the last week and he has been stuggling.

 

Oh, well as long as it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I don't like that at all. I understand the minors are for teaching, but you can have a teaching moment without sending him down.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm fine with it myself. If it was a guy who was clearly a AA player already then a demotion would have been harsh. But this is a crowded Tennessee team and a young player trying to break in due to an injury. Someone had to get moved out when Jackson came back and it was a bad time to have a major lapse like that. And it's not like Ha is going to be wasting time at Daytona-he still can definitely learn at that level as well. The fact that it provides a teaching moment is just the cherry on top.

[Guest]

Yeah, I don't like that at all. I understand the minors are for teaching, but you can have a teaching moment without sending him down.

 

It seems especially odd because I've read about guys like Lake and Vitters being benched for these type of teachable moments in the past, never demoted.

[javy knows my name]

Do you really want to be teaching your guys to play scared after a recent call-up? You're supposed to fear losing playing time, not losing a level.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm fine with it myself. If it was a guy who was clearly a AA player already then a demotion would have been harsh. But this is a crowded Tennessee team and a young player trying to break in due to an injury. Someone had to get moved out when Jackson came back and it was a bad time to have a major lapse like that. And it's not like Ha is going to be wasting time at Daytona-he still can definitely learn at that level as well. The fact that it provides a teaching moment is just the cherry on top.

 

Why wasn't Campana sent back down after getting picked off first? It seems a major league game is a much worse time to have a lapse than a random AA game whose outcome is completely meaningless.

[javy knows my name]

I'm fine with it myself. If it was a guy who was clearly a AA player already then a demotion would have been harsh. But this is a crowded Tennessee team and a young player trying to break in due to an injury. Someone had to get moved out when Jackson came back and it was a bad time to have a major lapse like that. And it's not like Ha is going to be wasting time at Daytona-he still can definitely learn at that level as well. The fact that it provides a teaching moment is just the cherry on top.

 

Why wasn't Campana sent back down after getting picked off first? It seems a major league game is a much worse time to have a lapse than a random AA game whose outcome is completely meaningless.

 

Do you really want to be teaching your AA level guys that the outcomes of their games are meaningless?

[CubColtPacer]

I'm fine with it myself. If it was a guy who was clearly a AA player already then a demotion would have been harsh. But this is a crowded Tennessee team and a young player trying to break in due to an injury. Someone had to get moved out when Jackson came back and it was a bad time to have a major lapse like that. And it's not like Ha is going to be wasting time at Daytona-he still can definitely learn at that level as well. The fact that it provides a teaching moment is just the cherry on top.

 

Why wasn't Campana sent back down after getting picked off first? It seems a major league game is a much worse time to have a lapse than a random AA game whose outcome is completely meaningless.

 

First, I wouldn't consider Campana's error to be as bad. Ha came in as a pinch runner. In that situation, you can't immediately get picked off first base. And Campana will be heading down to the minors as soon as Byrd comes back just as Ha got sent down as soon as Jackson came back. An outfielder was going to leave Tennessee. Ha gave them a reason for it to be him rather than one of the other 3-4 OF's that are at Tennessee. I would not have supported it if they had just demoted Ha and brought up another OF from Daytona.

[Guest]

I'm fine with it myself. If it was a guy who was clearly a AA player already then a demotion would have been harsh. But this is a crowded Tennessee team and a young player trying to break in due to an injury. Someone had to get moved out when Jackson came back and it was a bad time to have a major lapse like that. And it's not like Ha is going to be wasting time at Daytona-he still can definitely learn at that level as well. The fact that it provides a teaching moment is just the cherry on top.

 

It's far too harsh a punishment. If they were going to demote him once Brett came off the DL, they should have promoted Evan Crawford who is an organizational guy and was hitting well enough for a promotion rather than jerking around one of their best prospects.

[davell]

This appears to be one of their "tests" with Ha. The kind they tried with Jay Jackson a couple of years ago, to help prove that he's got thick skin. Of course, Jay handled his demotion to Daytona well that year, but hasn't pitched well since. Good call Cubs.

 

 

The idea that everyone is handled to perfection isn't even in my mind, but to me, stuff like this shouldn't happen.

[Guest]

This appears to be one of their "tests" with Ha. The kind they tried with Jay Jackson a couple of years ago, to help prove that he's got thick skin. Of course, Jay handled his demotion to Daytona well that year, but hasn't pitched well since. Good call Cubs.

 

 

The idea that everyone is handled to perfection isn't even in my mind, but to me, stuff like this shouldn't happen.

 

Jay Jackson broke team rules and got into a pissing match with one of the Smokies' coaches. That demotion was a far more appropriate punishment.

[SouthSideRyan]

This appears to be one of their "tests" with Ha. The kind they tried with Jay Jackson a couple of years ago, to help prove that he's got thick skin. Of course, Jay handled his demotion to Daytona well that year, but hasn't pitched well since. Good call Cubs.

 

 

The idea that everyone is handled to perfection isn't even in my mind, but to me, stuff like this shouldn't happen.

 

Jay Jackson broke team rules and got into a pissing match with one of the Smokies' coaches. That demotion was a far more appropriate punishment.

 

Was the move to the bullpen a punishment to, because that went [expletive] swimmingly.

[Guest]

I don't really see this as punishment as much as I do numbers. In order to allow both Jackson and Ha to play CF, one was going to have to move. Despite his early season success, the whiffs show that Jackson is not nearly ready for more advanced pitching yet.

[Guest]

It's far too harsh a punishment. If they were going to demote him once Brett came off the DL, they should have promoted Evan Crawford who is an organizational guy and was hitting well enough for a promotion rather than jerking around one of their best prospects.

 

How is he getting jerked around? He was getting regular playing time at A+, he came up to play regularly as an injury fill-in, and now because he didn't set the world on fire or humiliate himself he'll go back to Daytona and play every day some more.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's far too harsh a punishment. If they were going to demote him once Brett came off the DL, they should have promoted Evan Crawford who is an organizational guy and was hitting well enough for a promotion rather than jerking around one of their best prospects.

 

How is he getting jerked around? He was getting regular playing time at A+, he came up to play regularly as an injury fill-in, and now because he didn't set the world on fire or humiliate himself he'll go back to Daytona and play every day some more.

 

If he wasn't promoted due to being an injury replacement and he is demoted for a mistake shortly after that promotion, then that is pretty clearly being jerked around.

[Guest]

Okay? It's pretty obvious that he wouldn't have been called up if Jackson were healthy, and now that Jackson is back from injury he's going down. The debate over sending messages is a valid one, but let's not pretend for a second that Ha is being "jerked around" or that his development is somehow being screwed with because he got to play every day fin AA or a couple weeks while Jackson was hurt.

[Guest]

For the people that didn't want Ha sent back down, did you:

 

1) want to promote Jackson and his 33% strikeout rate to Iowa or Chicago?

2) play either Jackson or Ha out of position in a corner and even further screw up the already crowded rotation there in Tenn?

[Guest]

For the people that didn't want Ha sent back down, did you:

 

1) want to promote Jackson and his 33% strikeout rate to Iowa or Chicago?

2) play either Jackson or Ha out of position in a corner and even further screw up the already crowded rotation there in Tenn?

 

1) I wouldn't have called up Ha if he was only playing 2 weeks at AA.

2) The problem is Ha will be splitting time in a corner position at Daytona with Rubi Silva. In fact, since Silva has nearly no value as a corner OF given his minimal power, Ha would better serve the organization playing full time RF while he's on the same squad as Silva.