2011 NBA Lottery/Draft

[UMFan83]

People used to be able to see the actual selection of the picks, such as with the Ewing draft lottery and it has since been moved to behind closed doors. That's added to the conspiracy theories as much as anything else. Put it out in the open, stupid people be damned. Besides, if the NBA actually wants an audience to watch the lottery, I'd imagine the actual selection would be much more interesting than how it is revealed now (widows, sick kids, god knows who else representing their teams).

 

The point is, only stupid people would claim a conspiracy either way. A couple of years ago during the pre-lottery show, they showed a mock of the ping pong ball drawing system works and it was actually pretty dull. Especially because there are like 1000 different combos for the worst teams so even when they announce the numbers it takes a second to figure out who actually won. I like the current format. If we did it the other way, we wouldnt have the scenarios where a team is supposed to be called at a certain spot and isn't, meaning they've moved into the top 3. And the NBA's sponsors probably prefer that commercial betwee 13-4 and the top 3. It makes for good tv. I enjoyed greatly running to real GM during that commercial break and speculating in a panic about what pick the bulls were gonna get.

 

I guess your system wouldnt be all that worse. I just see no problem with the current system. And if Barack isn't going to feed the conspiracy theorists by releasing Osama's photo, then I don't see why the NBA has to cater to them in this situation.

[Banedon]

@WallaceHeatNBA Me and @WindhorstESPN jokingly pondered this after shootaround. If you're CLE, would u trade Nos.1+4 picks to get LeBron back?

[UMFan83]

@WallaceHeatNBA Me and @WindhorstESPN jokingly pondered this after shootaround. If you're CLE, would u trade Nos.1+4 picks to get LeBron back?

 

No but maybe the 1 and 4 for D12

[imb]

that must have been a real fun convo

 

"hey would you trade kyrie irving and bismack biyombo for lebron if you were the cavs?"

 

"I don't think they would trade for lebron, it would be weird. Would Miami take that trade?"

 

"No."

 

"ok fun talk"

[WrigleyField 22]

http://deadspin.com/5803056/this-video-suggests-that-david-kahn-was-just-trying-to-make-a-funny

 

The video indicates his words were much more harmless than the quotes indicate.

 

 

And Wrigleyfield22 your excuses about transparency making it worse are funny.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue against transparency or anything, but in my experience in following conspiracy theories, when more evidence is shown they continue to hold onto their old "evidence" and then just start to create new crazy theories that still don't make sense.

 

If someone can explain to me why every team in the league and a big 4 accounting firm (who's ability to stay "big" hedges on their ability to accurately verify information) have motivation to cover this up, I'll shut up.

[SpongeWorthy]

that must have been a real fun convo

 

"hey would you trade kyrie irving and bismack biyombo for lebron if you were the cavs?"

 

"I don't think they would trade for lebron, it would be weird. Would Miami take that trade?"

 

"No."

 

"ok fun talk"

 

How dare you suggest that this fine gentleman isn't anything but a barrel full of laughs:

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R440eNEqeGY/TKDnEGiXJMI/AAAAAAAABO8/NDqwA_lOly4/s1600/brian+windhorst.jpg

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but also find the idea that an accounting firm's presence somehow proves the lack of a conspiracy laughable. There was an accounting firm at Enron.

[Flames24Rulz]

that must have been a real fun convo

 

"hey would you trade kyrie irving and bismack biyombo for lebron if you were the cavs?"

 

"I don't think they would trade for lebron, it would be weird. Would Miami take that trade?"

 

"No."

 

"ok fun talk"

 

How dare you suggest that this fine gentleman isn't anything but a barrel full of laughs:

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R440eNEqeGY/TKDnEGiXJMI/AAAAAAAABO8/NDqwA_lOly4/s1600/brian+windhorst.jpg

 

It would've been a better talk if they talked about trading Brian Windhorst back to Cleveland for the #1 and 4 picks.

 

I hate that guy.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but also find the idea that an accounting firm's presence somehow proves the lack of a conspiracy laughable. There was an accounting firm at Enron.

Who's involvement in Enron completely changed the accounting world.

 

Oh and the motivation for Arthur Andersen taking part in that fraud was the huge amounts of money they were making from Enron. Is Ernst and Young getting a sweet deal from NBA?

[Guest]

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but also find the idea that an accounting firm's presence somehow proves the lack of a conspiracy laughable. There was an accounting firm at Enron.

Who's involvement in Enron completely changed the accounting world.

 

Oh and the motivation for Arthur Andersen taking part in that fraud was the huge amounts of money they were making from Enron. Is Ernst and Young getting a sweet deal from NBA?

You don't have to buy off all of E&Y - just the partner that's responsible for the NBA.

[WrigleyField 22]

Arthur Andersen wasn't really bought off per se, they just brought in tons and tons of business outside the auditing. I suppose E&Y could be doing a lot of consulting biz for the NBA but the laws are so different these days that its just not even remotely a scenario thats worth believing.

[CubInOK]

Arthur Andersen wasn't really bought off per se, they just brought in tons and tons of business outside the auditing. I suppose E&Y could be doing a lot of consulting biz for the NBA but the laws are so different these days that its just not even remotely a scenario thats worth believing.

Not to COMPLETELY jack this thread, but Arthur Andersen was bought off by Enron.

 

I really doubt E&Y is being bought off by the NBA. Also, it's illegal for E&Y to both audit the NBA and consult for them now (thanks to the aforementioned AA). Then again, the NBA doesn't have to release their financial statements to the public...

 

/grabs tinfoil hat

/starts making sense of hccf posts

[WrigleyField 22]

Arthur Andersen wasn't really bought off per se, they just brought in tons and tons of business outside the auditing. I suppose E&Y could be doing a lot of consulting biz for the NBA but the laws are so different these days that its just not even remotely a scenario thats worth believing.

Not to COMPLETELY jack this thread, but Arthur Andersen was bought off by Enron.

 

I really doubt E&Y is being bought off by the NBA. Also, it's illegal for E&Y to both audit the NBA and consult for them now (thanks to the aforementioned AA). Then again, the NBA doesn't have to release their financial statements to the public...

 

/grabs tinfoil hat

/starts making sense of hccf posts

Well thats not my understansing that any individual or AA was given direct payments, but rather ignored things because of their other business they were bringing and didn't want to lose (and then they shredded documents showing). So more like round about "buying off" by pressure to bring in business. But whether AA was bought off or not, its just not likely enough to be a believable scenario that NBA is buying off E&Y considering all thats changed since then, as you say. Sure it could happen, but from everything we know, including team representatives being present at the drawing, it doesn't pass any "smell test".

[bukie]

So, looks like the Bulls draft 28 and 30 this year. Any chance somebody like a Jimmer falls to them, or is the draft so weak this year that Jimmer is a justifiable lottery pick?

[imb]

If you're picking in the back end of the first round, you might as well take some projectible euro and just roll the dice

[Guest]

So, looks like the Bulls draft 28 and 30 this year. Any chance somebody like a Jimmer falls to them, or is the draft so weak this year that Jimmer is a justifiable lottery pick?

 

Yeah, Jimmer sounds like a justifiable lotto pick. And even if he wasn't, Indiana or Utah would still take him.

 

I think imb is right with the strategy the Bulls should use.

[CubColtPacer]

So, looks like the Bulls draft 28 and 30 this year. Any chance somebody like a Jimmer falls to them, or is the draft so weak this year that Jimmer is a justifiable lottery pick?

 

Yeah, Jimmer sounds like a justifiable lotto pick. And even if he wasn't, Indiana or Utah would still take him.

 

I think imb is right with the strategy the Bulls should use.

 

Interesting reputation Indiana's got when they've drafted one white US player and maybe 1 or 2 foreign white players in the last 10 years (I'm assuming that's what you were referencing).

 

Actually, the first mock draft I looked at has the Pacers drafting two UCLA players with their two picks-with them and Collison we'd turn you into a Pacers fan yet :-)

 

And btw, the first 5 mock drafts I looked at all had Fredette in between 12 and 19 with Utah the most likely spot for him to land. And while I said the Pacers are probably not completely enamored with him, he very well could be one of the 4 players who Bird is apparently hoping that one of them falls to his spot.

[hawkeyecub]

Ford has them taking Charles Jenkins and I think he's a rotation guy at least by his 2nd year. He can play.

[tfarks]

Id like to see the Pacers take Donatas Motiejunas, Reggie Jackson or Kenneth Faried.

 

Jimmer would be cool too.

[Guest]

Sorry CCP, I forgot that Indiana traded for most of their white guys.

 

It's a weak draft but I'm not really enamored with either of the Bruins. Malcolm Lee can't shoot and Tyler Honeycutt has a great tools but hasn't been able to put anything together.

[rawaction]

I'd be surprise if the Bulls take either of their picks. But yeah, if they do...projectable Euro dude is the way to go.

[Guest]

Tweets from Chris Broussard:

 

 

Cavs, Pistons, Twolves discussing 3-team trade that would give Cavs 1st & 2nd picks, sources say.

 

Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det’s 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick

 

Cavs would then draft Kyrie No. 1 and Derrick Williams No. 2. Nothing imminent but trade us being discussed by the teams.

 

Well that would be one way to get around the fact that the draft is weak, just take the two best players on your board and be done with it.

[javy knows my name]

Derrick Williams #2? Ew.

[Guest]

Derrick Williams #2? Ew.

 

Who else would you take? You wouldn't take Irving and Knight (unless you're the Timberwolves and are loading up on PGs).

[Guest]

Yeah, Williams isn't ideal(especially with Hickson being one of the few building blocks on the team), but he's got the tools and he can score the ball, even if his defense is a work in progress and he's a bit of a tweener.