College Basketball 2011-2012

[Guest]

lol - new football coach's reaction to last night's game:

 

@CoachTimBeckman

GREAT GAME ILLINI!!! IT'S NOT EASY TO PUT UP 80 PTS ON THE BOARD USING ONLY TWO PLAYS: "MOTION!!" AND "MOVE!!"

[bukie]

Got to admit, he did some things last night to improve my opinion of him. At least he seems like a good guy and into the job more than Zook really ever was.

 

Also, are we sure that's a real account? Looks like a fake account.

[Butterscup1679666578]

clearly fake

[rawaction]

CBS Sportsline does their Top 25 + 1 thing.

 

Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan St, and Indiana are ranked in a row 20-23 (with UW and U of I tied at 20). Why they have 2 teams tied at 20 and still have the next team at 21, I have no idea.

[CubColtPacer]

CBS Sportsline does their Top 25 + 1 thing.

 

Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan St, and Indiana are ranked in a row 20-23 (with UW and U of I tied at 20). Why they have 2 teams tied at 20 and still have the next team at 21, I have no idea.

 

Kind of looks like the coaches poll. Wisconsin 15, Michigan 18, Illinois 19, Indiana 20, Michigan State 23.

 

The AP poll has Wisconsin 14, Indiana 18, Illinois 19, Michigan 20, Michigan State 21.

[SouthSideRyan]

Huh, I thought Indiana would get an crazy enormous jump.

[bukie]

Huh, I thought Indiana would get an crazy enormous jump.

Considering they were barely getting votes (AP) last week, jumping to 18 is pretty enormous.

[SouthSideRyan]

Huh, I thought Indiana would get an crazy enormous jump.

Considering they were barely getting votes (AP) last week, jumping to 18 is pretty enormous.

 

I SAID CRAZY ENORMOUS

[bukie]

Stat that probably amuses only me: Syracuse hasn't lost a non-conference road game in 10 years (Dec 16, 2001 @ Georgia Tech). That would sound impressive, except that they've played five since then, two against terrible in-state teams in Siena and Canisius. So that makes three times in the last 10 years they've traveled to another team's arena out of state.

[illiniguy]

Stat that probably amuses only me: Syracuse hasn't lost a non-conference road game in 10 years (Dec 16, 2001 @ Georgia Tech). That would sound impressive, except that they've played five since then, two against terrible in-state teams in Siena and Canisius. So that makes three times in the last 10 years they've traveled to another team's arena out of state.

That's good of Boheim to limit the amount of road trips for those young ball boys.

[illiniguy]

I just read from Klees chat that Iu has one sweet sixteen the past sixteen years. That can't be right, can it?

[bukie]

I just read from Klees chat that Iu has one sweet sixteen the past sixteen years. That can't be right, can it?

Other than the fluke run in 2002, the last time they made it past the second round is 1994.

[Exile on Waveland]

I just read from Klees chat that Iu has one sweet sixteen the past sixteen years. That can't be right, can it?

 

Yup. Had the nation's longest Sweet 16 streak in 1994 (only four years, but still). Since then, 2002 has been the only Sweet 16.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just read from Klees chat that Iu has one sweet sixteen the past sixteen years. That can't be right, can it?

 

Nope, it's been 17 years.

[rawaction]

Yeah, and I hate that people tend to assume that the downfall came once Bob Knight went away. IU didn't do anything under Knight for the last 7-8 years. Mike Davis was a joke and Kelvin Sampson was a fraud, but the decline of IU basketball started with the game passing ol' RMK by in the late 90s.

[Exile on Waveland]

Yeah, and I hate that people tend to assume that the downfall came once Bob Knight went away. IU didn't do anything under Knight for the last 7-8 years. Mike Davis was a joke and Kelvin Sampson was a fraud, but the decline of IU basketball started with the game passing ol' RMK by in the late 90s.

 

While this has some truth, I would disagree with a lot of it.

 

FIrst, it wasn't seven or eight years. At most, it was six years, but that's ignoring all context about the 1999-2000 team and only basing the season on the NCAA Tournament. Sure, that team got punked by Pepperdine, but it beat three of the Final Four teams and lost single-digit games. That was a good team and an excellent coaching job by Knight. Further, IU actually was starting to do something under Knight at the end of his time at IU. The recruiting was really picking up: IU won big recruiting battles with Duke for Dane Fife and Jared Jeffries, and Sean May would have been on the way. Those, and other, recruiting successes set-up the 2001 and 2002 teams, which were both quite good, though held back by the dunce that was Davis.

 

Knight became very lazy with recruiting in the mid-90s (and probably should have stepped down); however, it is hard to ignore the lack of in-state talent. For better or worse, Indiana has generally not had the national recruiting presence of some other major programs and relies on Indiana to produce talent. It didn't in the mid-90s. Corresponding with IU's recruiting issues, here are the Indiana Mr. Basketballs from 1992 to 1996: Charles Macon, Kojak Fuller, Bryce Drew, Damon Frierson, and Kevin Ault. Not very helpful.

 

While I wish Knight would have recruited more himself in the 90s, or stepped down, the recent issues at IU are not his fault. They are the fault of awful, awful administrations (now gone) that hired an incompetent and then a cheater.

[Sosa21MVP]

Mostly agree with Exile there. IU didn't start a steady decline in RMK's final years. It was more like a steady plateau. He still was consistently winning 19-20 games and making the NCAA tournament every single year. Bringing in kids like Jeffries and May would have gotten things going again for RMK.

[mul21]

Sullinger might be broken. Just hurt his foot against South Carolina, tried to come back in and then limped back off the court.

[chuckywang]

Stat that probably amuses only me: Syracuse hasn't lost a non-conference road game in 10 years (Dec 16, 2001 @ Georgia Tech). That would sound impressive, except that they've played five since then, two against terrible in-state teams in Siena and Canisius. So that makes three times in the last 10 years they've traveled to another team's arena out of state.

 

With the expansion of the SEC-Big East challenge, they'll play at least 1 every two years now.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sullinger might be broken. Just hurt his foot against South Carolina, tried to come back in and then limped back off the court.

 

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS GO PRO.

 

Except for you Meyers, your education is important.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Stat that probably amuses only me: Syracuse hasn't lost a non-conference road game in 10 years (Dec 16, 2001 @ Georgia Tech). That would sound impressive, except that they've played five since then, two against terrible in-state teams in Siena and Canisius. So that makes three times in the last 10 years they've traveled to another team's arena out of state.

 

With the expansion of the SEC-Big East challenge, they'll play at least 1 every two years now.

 

Not with realignment. Cuse and Pitt to the ACC. Easy mistake to make.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pretty much same story for B10/ACC challenge

[Sosa21MVP]

Purdue has missed 7 straight field goals, Butler has missed 7 straight free throws.

[rawaction]

Nice. Butler just beat Purdue.

[Sosa21MVP]

Butler wins on a tip in with one second left. Wow. Purdue was in control of that game all day until the end.