Batting order minutiae: Castro 2nd, Ramirez 4th

[MSG T]

*waits for the obligatory "batting order doesn't matter" post*

 

It doesn't. What does matter is getting your best hitters the most plate appearances over the course of the season. I can't, for the life of me, imagine why anyone would want Tyler Colvin getting more plate appearances than Aramis or Soto. Or Fukudome, for that matter.

[Sammy Sofa]

erik is, of course, completely [expletive] up the discussions people have had when debates have come up as to where the best hitters should be penciled in in the top half of the lineup. Colvin need not apply.

[Guest]

First ST game lineup:

 

Kosuke

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Soto

DeWitt

 

 

Amazing that it's so close to being flawless except for switching two spots that are 5 batters apart.

[Guest]

First ST game lineup:

 

Kosuke

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Soto

DeWitt

 

 

Amazing that it's so close to being flawless except for switching two spots that are 5 batters apart.

 

True. But, I'm actually optimistic that Quade would actually take notice of Soto being wasted yet again at the bottom of the order and actually do something about it.

[sneakypower]

First ST game lineup:

 

Kosuke

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Soto

DeWitt

 

 

Amazing that it's so close to being flawless except for switching two spots that are 5 batters apart.

...and then switching Soto and Pena

[Guest]

First ST game lineup:

 

Kosuke

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Soto

DeWitt

 

 

Amazing that it's so close to being flawless except for switching two spots that are 5 batters apart.

...and then switching Soto and Pena

 

Yeah, I'm not going to be upset with any permutation of Pena-Soto-Ramirez in 3-4-5, I'd just like none of them to be hitting after both Byrd and Soriano.

[Cubswin11]

First ST game lineup:

 

Kosuke

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Soto

DeWitt

 

 

Amazing that it's so close to being flawless except for switching two spots that are 5 batters apart.

So does this mean Kosuke has the inside track on the starting RF job?

 

We've seen much worse lineup configurations with pretty much this same core group of players over the last two years. Soto shouldn't be hitting lower than 5th however.

Edited February 25, 2011 by Cubswin11

[erik316wttn]

erik is, of course, completely [expletive] up the discussions people have had when debates have come up as to where the best hitters should be penciled in in the top half of the lineup. Colvin need not apply.

 

Oh, I agree. It just seems that there's always some person who is all RARRRR BATTING ORDER DOESN'T MATTER WHHHARRRRGLARBLLLL during those discussions. I'm on the same side as you, man. Unbunch your panties.

[UK1679666180]

My lineups:

 

 

 

Vs RHP

Fukudome

Castro

Ramirez

Soto

Pena

Colvin

Soriano

Dewitt

 

Vs LHP

Fukudome

Castro

Ramirez

Soto

Soriano

Byrd

Pena

Baker

 

I would love the Cubs to get Glaus before Ramirez gets hurt or Pena struggles.

[Cubswin11]

I don't know if I should like or dislike the fact that when we face a LHP we will almost always have 2 LH hitters in the lineup

[UK1679666180]

2 isn't very many and a good number of LHers have their changeup as their out pitch, it sounds like baseball jargon but I like having to make a pitcher change locations and pitches.

[SouthSideRyan]

Troy Glaus kinda sucks now

[imb]

erik is, of course, completely [expletive] up the discussions people have had when debates have come up as to where the best hitters should be penciled in in the top half of the lineup. Colvin need not apply.

 

Oh, I agree. It just seems that there's always some person who is all RARRRR BATTING ORDER DOESN'T MATTER WHHHARRRRGLARBLLLL during those discussions. I'm on the same side as you, man. Unbunch your panties.

 

please keep the personal attacks out of this

[Sammy Sofa]

MY SON GAVE ME THESE PANTIES, YOU JERK.

[TruffleShuffle]

2 isn't very many and a good number of LHers have their changeup as their out pitch, it sounds like baseball jargon but I like having to make a pitcher change locations and pitches.

 

yeah, i hated when the cubs loaded their whole lineup with RH batters against LHP. i don't lefty batters who can't hit LHP in the lineup, but if their splits aren't too bad then keep 'em in.

[erik316wttn]

2 isn't very many and a good number of LHers have their changeup as their out pitch, it sounds like baseball jargon but I like having to make a pitcher change locations and pitches.

 

yeah, i hated when the cubs loaded their whole lineup with RH batters against LHP. i don't lefty batters who can't hit LHP in the lineup, but if their splits aren't too bad then keep 'em in.

 

The old line of thinking is still prevalent in today's game, unfortunately.

[Bluescale]

Why not stick Aramis in the 3rd spot and be done with it (unless he shows that he's going to have another bad year). Soto goes after him. Unless folks really think Pena is going to have a big turnaround, Ramirez and Soto will be our two best run producers.

[Banedon]

BTW, no matter what the lineup is, it's worth saying that Quade "gets it".

 

Quade said his first lineup isn't necessarily his regular lineup for Opening Day, and he also understands his lineups will be scrutinized.

 

"It's what makes the world go 'round," he said. "It's a great time of year to be kicking all that stuff around. Everyone thinks they can manage. I'm a fan. I look at other clubs and say 'Why is that guy hitting there?'"

[Sammy Sofa]

Why not stick Aramis in the 3rd spot and be done with it (unless he shows that he's going to have another bad year). Soto goes after him. Unless folks really think Pena is going to have a big turnaround, Ramirez and Soto will be our two best run producers.

 

How do you figure? Aramis, yeah, you can make that argument, but Pena really doesn't have to improve all that much to be producing runs from the #3 spot.

[Moises a loo]

Wasn't Fukudome terrible leading off last year? What if they tried him batting third? You know, since he did it for, like, ten years in Japan. Just a thought.

[XZero771679666304]

I may be mistaken, but didn't Fuku bat leadoff while he was in the midst of his slump? He OPSed over .800 as the leadoff hitter in 2008 and 2009 in almost the same combined number of ABs as last year's stint.

 

Really, I like him there. He works the count and gets on base.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wasn't Fukudome terrible leading off last year? What if they tried him batting third? You know, since he did it for, like, ten years in Japan. Just a thought.

 

Yeah, his numnbers weren't too hot there last year, but he only started 47 games there last year. He's still got a career .355 OBP there over his three years with the Cubs. Personally, I'd be happy with him hitting 1st or 2nd

[otis89]

Why not stick Aramis in the 3rd spot and be done with it (unless he shows that he's going to have another bad year). Soto goes after him. Unless folks really think Pena is going to have a big turnaround, Ramirez and Soto will be our two best run producers.

 

How do you figure? Aramis, yeah, you can make that argument, but Pena really doesn't have to improve all that much to be producing runs from the #3 spot.

 

Yeah. Even with his overall crappy numbers last year, Pena still drove in 84 runs. I'm pretty sure that would have lead the Cubs in RBIs.

[NCCubFan]

Yeah. Even with his overall crappy numbers last year, Pena still drove in 84 runs. I'm pretty sure that would have lead the Cubs in RBIs.

Yep; would have just edged out Aram's 83.

[erik316wttn]

Wasn't Fukudome terrible leading off last year? What if they tried him batting third? You know, since he did it for, like, ten years in Japan. Just a thought.

 

Yeah, his numnbers weren't too hot there last year, but he only started 47 games there last year. He's still got a career .355 OBP there over his three years with the Cubs. Personally, I'd be happy with him hitting 1st or 2nd

 

I'd go Castro/Fuku/Pena/Aram/Soto/Soriano/Byrd/DeWitt myself