Rangers and Josh Hamilton Agree to 2-year, $24 Mil Contract

[apete6]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/rangers-josh-hamilton-agree-to-two-year-deal.html

[Clem Fandango]

Really?

[MSG T]

Oh, I get it, Hamilton used to have a drug problem.

 

 

Yeah, not really funny.

[UMFan83]

You're better than this thread title apete

[Northside Blues]

Well that was original.

[tfarks]

Thats some good value there.

[UMFan83]

Well that was original.

 

I don't think you understand. He previously did a lot of coke when he was a failed top pick of the Rays. His life bottomed out and he rejuvinated his career, swearing off intoxicants and accepting God in his life. After several all star years, he is now getting rewarded with a $24 million extension over the next 2 seasons. The joke is that he's gonna go out and blow it all on cocaine, which is what he probably would have done 5 seasons ago!!!

Edited February 10, 2011 by UMFan83

[javy knows my name]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't have much "taste" when it comes to postings on the internets, but that was still pretty tasteless.

[Northside Blues]

Well that was original.

 

I don't think you understand. He previously did a lot of coke when he was a failed top pick of the Rays. His life bottomed out and he rejuvinated his career, swearing off intoxicants and accepting God in his life. After several all star years, he is now getting rewarded with a $24 million extension over the next 2 seasons. The joke is that he's gonna go out and blow it all on cocaine, which is what he probably would have done 5 seasons ago!!!

 

So, he's married to Eric Clapton?

[apete6]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't have much "taste" when it comes to postings on the internets, but that was still pretty tasteless.

 

Oh, come on, that wasn't that bad. Especially after all of the jokes in the Tiger Woods and Brett Favre threads.

 

Oh well, congrats on the $24MM, Josh. Let's hope you keep your life together because you're one hell of a ballplayer.

[Little Slide Rooter]

OK, I knw this as been beaten to death, and Hamilton was never meant to be a Cub, but still, its hard not to want to live in a world where the Cubs Rule 5d Hamilton for themselves and not the Reds. In this world, Hed have made a hell of a difference, and who knows how '07-'10 would have panned out with Hamilton in the lineup instead of the likes of Jacque Jones, the productive but grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome, and Milton Bradley. That lineup could probably have looked something like:

 

CF Felix Pie

2B Mark DeRosa

1B Derrek Lee

RF Josh Hamilton

3B Aramis Ramirez

LF Alfonso Soriano

C Geovany Soto

SS Ryan Theriot

 

Oh well, back to reality.

[SouthSideRyan]

OK, I knw this as been beaten to death, and Hamilton was never meant to be a Cub, but still, its hard not to want to live in a world where the Cubs Rule 5d Hamilton for themselves and not the Reds. In this world, Hed have made a hell of a difference, and who knows how '07-'10 would have panned out with Hamilton in the lineup instead of the likes of Jacque Jones, the productive but grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome, and Milton Bradley. That lineup could probably have looked something like:

 

CF Felix Pie

2B Mark DeRosa

1B Derrek Lee

RF Josh Hamilton

3B Aramis Ramirez

LF Alfonso Soriano

C Geovany Soto

SS Ryan Theriot

 

Oh well, back to reality.

 

Now imagine if the Cubs drafted Pujols! Now that's a talented lineup!!

[UMFan83]

OK, I knw this as been beaten to death, and Hamilton was never meant to be a Cub, but still, its hard not to want to live in a world where the Cubs Rule 5d Hamilton for themselves and not the Reds. In this world, Hed have made a hell of a difference, and who knows how '07-'10 would have panned out with Hamilton in the lineup instead of the likes of Jacque Jones, the productive but grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome, and Milton Bradley. That lineup could probably have looked something like:

 

CF Felix Pie

2B Mark DeRosa

1B Derrek Lee

RF Josh Hamilton

3B Aramis Ramirez

LF Alfonso Soriano

C Geovany Soto

SS Ryan Theriot

 

Oh well, back to reality.

 

Now imagine if the Cubs drafted Pujols! Now that's a talented lineup!!

 

That's true. They passed on him several times in the draft the Cardinals nabbed him. What could have been...

[Sammy Sofa]

grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome

 

Y'know, saying this a billion times doesn't actually make it true.

[chopsx9]

grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome

 

Y'know, saying this a billion times doesn't actually make it true.

 

Pretending he isn't, doesn't either.

[Cubswin11]

grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome

 

Y'know, saying this a billion times doesn't actually make it true.

 

Pretending he isn't, doesn't either.

Kosuke is closer to being paid what he's worth than he is to being "grossly overpaid."

[chopsx9]

grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome

 

Y'know, saying this a billion times doesn't actually make it true.

 

Pretending he isn't, doesn't either.

Kosuke is closer to being paid what he's worth than he is to being "grossly overpaid."

 

No he isn't.

 

Even the Red Sox - the team many touted as the one that would most appreciate Fukudome's skill set - wanted nothing to do with him - even in trying to dump Dice K.

 

If he's a free agent today you HONESTLY believe he would get anywhere near $13.5Million (I think that's his salary this year) I bet he wouldn't get half of that.

 

Fukudome certainly can be a valuable player doesn't mean he's being paid appropriately.

[Cubswin11]

grossly overpaid Kosuke Fukudome

 

Y'know, saying this a billion times doesn't actually make it true.

 

Pretending he isn't, doesn't either.

Kosuke is closer to being paid what he's worth than he is to being "grossly overpaid."

 

No he isn't.

 

Even the Red Sox - the team many touted as the one that would most appreciate Fukudome's skill set - wanted nothing to do with him - even in trying to dump Dice K.

 

If he's a free agent today you HONESTLY believe he would get anywhere near $13.5Million (I think that's his salary this year) I bet he wouldn't get half of that.

 

Fukudome certainly can be a valuable player doesn't mean he's being paid appropriately.

According to fangraphs he's been worth $24m in his 3 years in the league, he has been paid $30.5m. That's not grossly overpaying.

 

And Dice K is owed $7m more than Fukudome, has injury issues, and we already have a crowded rotation. All while we will have a need for Kosuke this year, I am sure it was more Hendry saying no to Dice-K than it was Theo saying no to Kosuke.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3263&position=OF#value

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, now you're spinning things. There's a huge difference between paid "appropriately" and being "grossly overpaid."

 

You could argue that he's being overpaid now due to the backloaded nature of his contract, but he could very well could be worth very close to what he's making even in this final year. He's improved each year they've had him, and if your argument that he's "grossly overpaid" hinges on the Red Sox deal not going through (which you assume MUST be because the Red Sox didn't want him and not that it would be a horrible, horrible trade for the Cubs), well, then you're argument failed before it even began.

 

I mean, I'm assuming you think Byrd is "grossly underpaid," right?

[TruffleShuffle]

$24 million of cocaine? how is he getting out of paying taxes?

[chopsx9]

[Kosuke is closer to being paid what he's worth than he is to being "grossly overpaid."

 

No he isn't.

 

Even the Red Sox - the team many touted as the one that would most appreciate Fukudome's skill set - wanted nothing to do with him - even in trying to dump Dice K.

 

If he's a free agent today you HONESTLY believe he would get anywhere near $13.5Million (I think that's his salary this year) I bet he wouldn't get half of that.

 

Fukudome certainly can be a valuable player doesn't mean he's being paid appropriately.

According to fangraphs he's been worth $24m in his 3 years in the league, he has been paid $30.5m. That's not grossly overpaying.

 

And Dice K is owed $7m more than Fukudome, has injury issues, and we already have a crowded rotation. All while we will have a need for Kosuke this year, I am sure it was more Hendry saying no to Dice-K than it was Theo saying no to Kosuke.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3263&position=OF#value

 

Unfortunately it was the Red Sox that backed away because the Cubs wouldn't eat enough of the contract. The reporting has it pretty specifically that Theo said no to Kosuke. Later the Cubs apparently broached the subject again and were willing to eat more but it never went anywhere. No shortage on info if you Google it.

[rocket]

so is anyone gonna tell me what the original title of the thread was?

[Sammy Sofa]

Unfortunately it was the Red Sox that backed away because the Cubs wouldn't eat enough of the contract. The reporting has it pretty specifically that Theo said no to Kosuke. Later the Cubs apparently broached the subject again and were willing to eat more but it never went anywhere. No shortage on info if you Google it.

 

Yeah, no shortage of rumors that say little beyond suggesting the deal, including a good portion of them that point out how the trade makes no sense for the Cubs if they're tightening their belts money-wise. It makes even less sense when you and others try to claim the Cubs were willing to eat most of Kosuke's final year to take on two years and $20 million of Daisuke. Really, think about it for two seconds and try to figure out how likely it is that the Cubs would want to do something like that. You're placing WAY too much stock in a quickly squashed rumor to try and make your point.

 

I mean, in your scramble to point out how overpaid you think Fukudome is you honestly think that a team isn't going to unload a $20 million bust for a player they'd be on the hook for 1 year and probably only end up paying $8 or $9 million at the most, would likely OPS over .800, is a very valuable OBP asset and plays great defense. Again, think about it for 2 seconds. Either you think Fukudome is much, much worse than he actually is or the Red Sox are run by an idiot. Or maybe you're one of those people that like to make Hendry out to be some kind of a cartoonish buffoon. He's often very bad at his job, but why would he ever, ever, ever make a deal along the lines of those rumors?

[chopsx9]

Well, now you're spinning things. There's a huge difference between paid "appropriately" and being "grossly overpaid."

Who is spinning what?? - not appropriate is less extreme than grossly overpaid. If I had started with not appropriate and then moved to grossly overpaid that would be spinning. Grossly overpaid implies not appropriate.

 

If you want to get technical not appropriate could imply that he is underpaid - you'd have had better luck with that.

 

 

and if your argument that he's "grossly overpaid" hinges on the Red Sox deal not going through (which you assume MUST be because the Red Sox didn't want him and not that it would be a horrible, horrible trade for the Cubs), well, then you're argument failed before it even began.

 

It doesn't, I didn't (see above post) and therefore it didn't.

...but feel free to throw up as many straw men as you'd like.

 

I mean, I'm assuming you think Byrd is "grossly underpaid," right?

If we are assuming a world where Fukudome's 13.5M is "appropriate" then Yes.

 

(See what I did there)

[Sammy Sofa]

Nobody said Kosuke's final year salary is "appropriate" (though if he continues most of his offensive trends and he's not benched for Colvin he'll be close enough yet again) Through the first 3 years of his contract he is not, by any stretch of the imagination "grossly overpaid." That latter statement is just yet another in a long line of comments here trying to make his contract out to be some kind of financial albatross when it actually hasn't been, and the only thing "gross" is how grossly inaccurate and hilariously spazzy those comments are.

 

But please, let's move on to breaking down just which parts of the Fukudome/Daisuke rumors you found plausible. That'll be a hoot, too.