Would you make this deal?

[Cubswin11]

This came from Rangers insider Jamey Newberg today:

 

Prediction:

 

Michael Young will be traded to the Chicago Cubs, with Darren O’Day, Chris Davis, and cash, for outfielder Marlon Byrd, catcher Welington Castillo, and righthander Su-Min Jung.

 

In December.

 

Unless he takes a liking to his 2011 role here, and 10-5’s his way out of any potential trades.

I would strongly consider doing that trade, but we'd have the worst up the middle defense in MLB. With Castro still growing defensively, Young at 2B, and Fuku/Colvin in CF.

[dew1679666265]

I would strongly consider doing that trade, but we'd have the worst up the middle defense in MLB. With Castro still growing defensively, Young at 2B, and Fuku/Colvin in CF.

 

Brett Jackson would probably be the new CF since he said the trade would happen in December.

[rawaction]

This came from Rangers insider Jamey Newberg today:

 

Prediction:

 

Michael Young will be traded to the Chicago Cubs, with Darren O’Day, Chris Davis, and cash, for outfielder Marlon Byrd, catcher Welington Castillo, and righthander Su-Min Jung.

 

In December.

 

Unless he takes a liking to his 2011 role here, and 10-5’s his way out of any potential trades.

I would strongly consider doing that trade, but we'd have the worst up the middle defense in MLB. With Castro still growing defensively, Young at 2B, and Fuku/Colvin in CF.

 

Hope that's a lot of cash.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Assuming Young can play 2nd, would Soriano for Young be a possibility? Sori had some great years in texas, and he can play some DH as well as OF. Some cash would have to switch hands, but I think it would be a decent deal.

[davell]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

[Splendid Splinter]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

 

Isn't Darren O'Day plus cash with Young/Davis in the trade "rumor or whatever it is"???

 

I might do that depending on how much Texas wants to kick in on the cash part. I'm ok with Young being a 2B/3B even though his defense sucks. Is there any solid 3Bs out there that's gonna be a FA in the next 2-3 years beside A Ram? Cuz if you think you can get a good solid 3B (thru FA or trades or just keeping A Ram or heck... if Chris Davis show signs of hitting for contact again) and move Young to 2B (where his offense has more value at), then I'm willing to listen to the trade offer and figure out how much money Rangers should kick in. If they kick in enough money where Cubs is paying less than 10 mil/yr (prefer more like 7 mil/yr) for Young, I'm ok with them making the trade. I don't know how many years and how much Young is owed though.

[dew1679666265]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

That'd be a really bad trade for the Cubs, I think. You're giving up around 6 WAR (Byrd - 3, Wells - 3) for a 3 WAR guy who's 34. And then you're throwing in a pretty good prospect and Silva for, basically, a lottery ticket.

 

I might do that trade if you take Wells out of it and pay a decent portion of Young's next two years. Otherwise, it really doesn't make sense.

[Northside Blues]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

That'd be a really bad trade for the Cubs, I think. You're giving up around 6 WAR (Byrd - 3, Wells - 3) for a 3 WAR guy who's 34. And then you're throwing in a pretty good prospect and Silva for, basically, a lottery ticket.

 

I might do that trade if you take Wells out of it and pay a decent portion of Young's next two years. Otherwise, it really doesn't make sense.

 

 

That's a poor way to think about it. The Cubs may be giving up 6 WAR for a 3 WAR guy. But WAR is stupid to use like that, another reason you never see me using it. If the Cubs were to give up Wells, what's the actual effect on our team? Nothing. We have two or three guys who are NOT slotted to be in our rotation who are just as good as Wells probably is (at least according to whatever projection system you want to use*). And whether or not Wells is going to be a 3 WAR guy going forward is another question entirely. Likewise, in CF, another position where we have some options. Defense be damned, letting Fukudome or Colvin roam CF will probably keep our offense at the same level, and lose us a win or so on defense. So we're giving up really 1 win. And really, Brett Jackson is probably a 1 or 2 WAR player right now even though his bat probably isn't ready. So either way we're giving up things from our strength so the total WAR is useless to us. A 3 win player on the bench isn't getting us 3 wins.

 

That being said, I don't really see the point of this trade. Young's getting old and he's got a career .733 OPS away from Texas. Jeff Baker's OPS last year was .739. DeWitt's career OPS is .713, and he's young and he's got a higher OPS upside than that. So the trade doesn't really improve us anywhere. We're not really any worse off doing it, but not any better either. So what's the point? Unless Hendry thinks that Young is DeRosa 2.0 and will be fine away from Texas despite not being fine away from Texas yet.

 

 

*Im not saying that this is really true. Wells actual skill level, as you know is pretty divisive around here, and I don't really want this to become the 10th thread about it.

[questionmarkgrace]

I'm too lazy to look right now but from what I read in the last couple weeks about Young, his defense has really fallen off. So the big question then is can he even play second anymore? If he can be average defensively and post career avgs on offense I would be pretty happy provided the deal is suitable moneywise and traded players.

[rawaction]

I'm too lazy to look right now but from what I read in the last couple weeks about Young, his defense has really fallen off. So the big question then is can he even play second anymore? If he can be average defensively and post career avgs on offense I would be pretty happy provided the deal is suitable moneywise and traded players.

 

Young never was all that great at 2B to begin with.

[erik316wttn]

Was that $18 million from Texas really a reality or was that just someone spouting off? Because if we get that money, we could send a lot of it off with Soriano and make him a lot more palatable to someone.

[Guest]

And essentially pay Young's contract in full? I'd rather give Soriano a raise.

[erik316wttn]

Yikes I didn't realize that Young was 34 already.

[dew1679666265]

That's a poor way to think about it. The Cubs may be giving up 6 WAR for a 3 WAR guy. But WAR is stupid to use like that, another reason you never see me using it. If the Cubs were to give up Wells, what's the actual effect on our team? Nothing. We have two or three guys who are NOT slotted to be in our rotation who are just as good as Wells probably is (at least according to whatever projection system you want to use*). And whether or not Wells is going to be a 3 WAR guy going forward is another question entirely. Likewise, in CF, another position where we have some options. Defense be damned, letting Fukudome or Colvin roam CF will probably keep our offense at the same level, and lose us a win or so on defense. So we're giving up really 1 win. And really, Brett Jackson is probably a 1 or 2 WAR player right now even though his bat probably isn't ready. So either way we're giving up things from our strength so the total WAR is useless to us. A 3 win player on the bench isn't getting us 3 wins.

 

It was the quickest and easiest way to illustrate it that I thought of off the top of my head. My overall point (which I may have made badly) is that we're giving up a lot of value and cheap production (Byrd, Wells, Dolis) for an older, less valuable player (Young) and an apparent bust (Davis).

 

The trade looks better if you don't believe Wells is a quality pitcher (he is), but I still wouldn't give up that much value (Byrd, Dolis) for a guy who is old and overpaid and may not be that much better than DeWitt as it is (especially considering defense).

[Clem Fandango]

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers writes that Marlon Byrd is "believed to be on the list" of players the Rangers would consider in a potential Michael Young deal.

Byrd, of course, parlayed a career year with the Rangers in 2009 into a three-year deal with the Cubs. It would be an exchange of bad contracts, though Byrd's deal isn't nearly as bad as Young's, as he's owed $12 million over the next two seasons. Rogers also floats the idea of the Cubs sending Alfonso Soriano to the Rangers, but there's no way Texas is going to deal Young's contract for Soriano's albatross of a deal.

 

Soriano's contract is an albatross but Michael Young's isn't?

 

Also, how on Earth can you call Marlon Byrd's contract a bad contract when it's only been one year and he's already performed at an above average clip? Even if Byrd loses a step this season he'll still probably play up to his contract

[davell]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

If the Cubs ending coming out ahead with Young's salary without giving up much in prospects I am fine with trading for Young as him at 2B would help the lineup quite a bit. I also think that if the Rangers eat a decent portion of Young's contract it makes him tradeable after this season with only having 2 years left on his deal. The Soriano / Young swap would be great but if anything does happen I would see a package of Silva and Fukudome being more realistic.

 

At this point though the only person even saying the Cubs are interested is Phil Rogers so I am not sure why I am wasting energy talking about this.

[Time2Win]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

 

I enjoyed AZ Phil's stuff in the past, but I do really see him on TCR anymore. Where do you find his stuff? Thanks.

[davell]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

 

I enjoyed AZ Phil's stuff in the past, but I do really see him on TCR anymore. Where do you find his stuff? Thanks.

 

 

You have to sift through the comments on each article and sometimes he'll post stuff inside them. It's pretty tedious though, because sifting through all the other comments isn't very fun, when he's literally the only one you want or need to read. My guess is he'll have more articles up soon though, with ST starting now. With the total lack of minor league interest over there(other than those here who ask him questions, for the most part) I wish there was a way to get him to come here and post.

[Time2Win]

AZPhil mentioned Byrd, Silva, Wells, and Dolis for Young and Chris Davis. I wouldn't do that personally, but he said it'd only add a mill to our payroll in 2011 and give us a 3rd baseman next year assuming we don't keep Aram. Like I said though, I wouldn't do this, unless the Rangers were kicking in some solid money over those last 2 years. Like maybe half or so.

 

 

I enjoyed AZ Phil's stuff in the past, but I do really see him on TCR anymore. Where do you find his stuff? Thanks.

 

 

You have to sift through the comments on each article and sometimes he'll post stuff inside them. It's pretty tedious though, because sifting through all the other comments isn't very fun, when he's literally the only one you want or need to read. My guess is he'll have more articles up soon though, with ST starting now. With the total lack of minor league interest over there(other than those here who ask him questions, for the most part) I wish there was a way to get him to come here and post.

 

Thank you. You are right, many of the posts are very tedious. I will look at them to find the nugget of info.

[Post Count Padder]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

No to the first one, unless the Rangers add something else to it. Yes to the second. Getting rid of Silva and Grabow would be nice. And I feel like the Rangers would be way more inclined to do the second one.

[Banedon]

Sort of off topic, but this story about this 3yo kid and Michael Young is really great.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=6146530

[Post Count Padder]

Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe said today if the Rangers eat some salary a deal to the Cubs could happen. I don't know if this is just speculation or there's more to it.

[Backtobanks]

Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe said today if the Rangers eat some salary a deal to the Cubs could happen. I don't know if this is just speculation or there's more to it.

 

Everything I've read claims the Rangers aren't interested in eating much (if any) of his salary.

[Guest]

If anyone would have the scoop on a potential Cubs/Rangers deal, it'd be a writer from Boston.