Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Clem Fandango]

I'm just hoping he doesn't sign so this year turns out to be his contract year and my fantasy team benefits greatly from it

[Banedon]

I'm just hoping he doesn't sign so this year turns out to be his contract year and my fantasy team benefits greatly from it

 

lol...yeah, cuz otherwise he might have a shitty season with only a .980 OPS

[Guest]

I'm just hoping he doesn't sign so this year turns out to be his contract year and my fantasy team benefits greatly from it

 

lol...yeah, cuz otherwise he might have a [expletive] season with only a .980 OPS

 

So crazy that he has never even been that low in a freaking decade.

[bukie]

I strongly disagree. IMO, the Cardinals are still the heavy favorite to retain Pujols if the season passes without a deal. But it would be more like 70-30 instead of 95-5.

 

I'm nitpicking, but if the season doesn't pass without a deal, then it's 100% for the Cards or collusion.

[UMFan83]

I strongly disagree. IMO, the Cardinals are still the heavy favorite to retain Pujols if the season passes without a deal. But it would be more like 70-30 instead of 95-5.

 

I'm nitpicking, but if the season doesn't pass without a deal, then it's 100% for the Cards or collusion.

 

I'm sure you know what I meant which is that as of right now I see it was 95-5. If the deadline passes, and no deal is signed in season, I would put it as 70-30.

 

Nitpick away though, it was poorly worded.

[bukie]

I strongly disagree. IMO, the Cardinals are still the heavy favorite to retain Pujols if the season passes without a deal. But it would be more like 70-30 instead of 95-5.

 

I'm nitpicking, but if the season doesn't pass without a deal, then it's 100% for the Cards or collusion.

 

I'm sure you know what I meant which is that as of right now I see it was 95-5. If the deadline passes, and no deal is signed in season, I would put it as 70-30.

 

Nitpick away though, it was poorly worded.

It was either that or you thought there was a 5% chance of either collusion or Pujols signing an NHL contract or something during the year. ;)

[SouthSideRyan]

Maybe he thought he'd retire or die

[Scotti]

I strongly disagree. IMO, the Cardinals are still the heavy favorite to retain Pujols if the season passes without a deal. But it would be more like 70-30 instead of 95-5. It's not unprecidented for a star player to become a FA and then resign with the same team. ARod did it a few years ago, Aramis did it with us in 2006 to give 2 examples. All it means is that Pujols put a deadline on a new deal, the Cardinals didn't meet it so now they have to wait until after the season to negotiate. Don't forget they have an excluside window to negotiate with him before other teams can. By then, after 6 months of evaluating what Pujols means to the Cardinals, they might find a way to offer him the money he wants to stay there. Or they might decide its too much, and stand firm with their offer. If that's the case, I can't see Pujols at that point, refuse a contract offer from another team that might make him $50-100 million more over the life of the contract than what STL is offering.

 

The A-Rod re-signing deal was worked out prior to his opting out (the Rangers were on the hook for $21.3M and they negotiated that down to $9M--the reason they had negotiating power was because their obligation would have otherwise voided when A-Rod voided his contract). Teams also now have less time for exclusive negotiations. And, seriously, the Cardinals need more time to evaluate what Pujols means to them?

 

The major advantage that the Cardinals have in negotiations with Pujols is the fact that, by voiding 2011, they can offer him a 10-year deal that lasts till he's 41 where other 10-year deals will expire when he is 42. If the Cards cave-in to his demands AFTER the season is over then they just cost them selves a season of $30M to a 42-year old.

 

The one-day extension may be in order to work on a deal or it just might be to keep the press on Stan Musial for a day. But NOT extending him now and then doing so AFTER the season would be really dumb. Really, R_E_A_L_L_Y dumb.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm just hoping he doesn't sign so this year turns out to be his contract year and my fantasy team benefits greatly from it

 

lol...yeah, cuz otherwise he might have a [expletive] season with only a .980 OPS

 

I can't afford that kind of a hit to my offense. I've surrounded Pujols with slick fielding grit monsters. He must obliterate every offensive record ever.

[bukie]

I'm just hoping he doesn't sign so this year turns out to be his contract year and my fantasy team benefits greatly from it

 

lol...yeah, cuz otherwise he might have a [expletive] season with only a .980 OPS

 

I can't afford that kind of a hit to my offense. I've surrounded Pujols with slick fielding grit monsters. He must obliterate every offensive record ever.

So you own the Cardinals.

[Guest]

lol Boers thinks the Cubs signing Pujols would be baseball [expletive].

 

 

I really wish Bernstein would get a show with someone else. I'd even take Lawrence or Goff.

[SouthSideRyan]

lol Boers thinks the Cubs signing Pujols would be baseball [expletive].

 

 

I really wish Bernstein would get a show with someone else. I'd even take Lawrence or Goff.

 

I have no clue what word is behind that expletive

[Sammy Sofa]

Probably re-tarded, which is inexplicably blocked.

 

So is dumb-ass (as one word). But not ass. Go figure.

[Guest]

Probably re-tarded, which is inexplicably blocked.

 

So is dumb-ass (as one word). But not ass. Go figure.

 

 

Correct.

[javy knows my name]

Probably re-tarded, which is inexplicably blocked.

 

So is dumb-ass (as one word). But not ass. Go figure.

 

And God damn

[hawkeyecub]

Two Cardinals friends of mine are already turning on him and getting bitter. I love it.

[MWV]

Whether or not he eventually re-signs with them in the offseason, I'm hoping for protracted periods of handwringing and near-toxic bitterness over the course of the next season. I'm in this for the schadenfreude.

[XZero771679666304]

Two Cardinals friends of mine are already turning on him and getting bitter. I love it.

 

 

I wouldn't want the Cubs to sign Pujols for 10 years, but can you imagine what it would do to the rivalry?

 

As for bitter Cards fans, many are just beginning to realize that Albert isn't the hopelessly in love with St. Louis, dedicated to the team guy they had deluded themselves into believing he was. Many likely thought he would give another discount and sign the first half decent offer the team put in front of him because he loves STL oh-so-much.

 

The Cardinals got away with paying the guy far less than he was worth for years, and now it's time to pay the piper. Or not.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, I'm going to be so annoyed if he pulls an Aramis.

[XZero771679666304]

Man, I'm going to be so annoyed if he pulls an Aramis.

 

LaRussa a loon, but I don't doubt there is some pressure from the MLBPA to get top dollar/length out of his next contract after giving STL a break last time.

 

I think this thing goes all the way to free agency, and the Cards end up in a bidding war against the Cubs and perhaps the Angels.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm not keen on the players union rules and what not. Can someone tell me how the players union benefits from Albert Pujols signing a huge contract? Do they get a percentage cut form his yearly salary or something?

[javy knows my name]

I'm not keen on the players union rules and what not. Can someone tell me how the players union benefits from Albert Pujols signing a huge contract? Do they get a percentage cut form his yearly salary or something?

 

As LaRussa said, they'll use it as a precedent to decide future salary demands. They have a vested interest in making sure that the best player in the world gets paid like it, basically

[MWV]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Cardinals have offered Albert Pujols an eight-year contract.

A little better, but not close to the 10-year deal Pujols is reportedly seeing. The exact details of the offer aren't known, but Heyman gathers that it was for less than $30 million per season, or $240 million total. Still, Heyman writes that there's "very little hope" for an agreement by Wednesday's noon ET deadline. Stay tuned.

These 11th-hour overtures have me nervous. I've allowed myself to get far too excited by the prospect of a Pujols-less Cardinals roster. Mere months ago, I considered his life-long Cardinalhood a foregone conclusion. Now, I feel as though Pujols' re-signing for anything less than a franchise crippling sum will be a disappointment.

[davell]

I think that if he hits FA and if we are serious about signing him, we better have a damn good plan to get really good, really quick. Same with Fielder. In both cases, I'd give them about a 4 year window where they'll produce at or near their current rate. So, we'd better be good then, or else need to be extremely lucky in developing some cheap stars if we're going to contend in the period where they're sliding.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm not keen on the players union rules and what not. Can someone tell me how the players union benefits from Albert Pujols signing a huge contract? Do they get a percentage cut form his yearly salary or something?

 

As LaRussa said, they'll use it as a precedent to decide future salary demands. They have a vested interest in making sure that the best player in the world gets paid like it, basically

 

This contract shouldn't determine anything with future contracts, because there isn't a single player in baseball on Pujols' level. No one can use what he gets as a bargaining chip because no one is better than he is. The Werth contract? Sure, no question. Pujols? Really?