Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Guest]

What is there to say he will re-sign with St. Louis??

 

I'm still expecting him to be like Aramis and agree to a deal at the last minute just before FA begins.

 

But that's not really based in reality. If the reports are true, they're nowhere close on the numbers. Is St. Louis going to come up with an extra 80M in the next 7 months?

 

 

I suppose they could just be calling his bluff and waiting for their backs to really be against the wall to give him that money.

[Sammy Sofa]

I would think the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers and Angels would be the main bidders, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Kansas City make a serious run or even the National squeak in there.

i don't think Dodgers are in it, unless McCourt sells the team

 

Kansas City really doesn't make any sense and Nationals blew their load on Werth already

 

this is how i see it now, in order of likelihood:

Cards - Cubs - Yankees - Rangers - Angels - Red Sox - Marlins

 

The Nationals still have serious money to burn if they want to, and adding Pujols with Harper and Strasburg would ultimately make them an ungodly amount of money in what's potentially a very big market for a really, really good baseball team.

even in their best case scenario, when Harper & Strasburg, the Zimmermans start getting raises and approaching FA, retaining them is going to cause their payroll to balloon well out of check if you've already got $50M in two other players

 

just doesn't make sense

 

It does if they're kicking ass. There's a lot of money available to that team.

[Northside Blues]

They could sign Albert Pujols and CC Sabathia and still be second in the division to the Phillies for three years.

[sneakypower]

they had the 9th lowest payroll in baseball last year, at $62M, and they're going to conceivably more than double it in such short order?

[Northside Blues]

they had the 9th lowest payroll in baseball last year, at $62M, and they're going to conceivably more than double it in such short order?

 

Their payroll is actually going to be lower than it was last year, with the Werth contract....and still be less than half the payroll of the TWINS. Yes they could push it to 100 mil within one or two years, 120 mil within four or so. The Twins payroll is supposed to be 112 mil this year. Their payroll in 2008 was 56 million, exactly half that so doubled in three years. Even in 2009 it was only 65 mil. And the Twins aren't nearly in the same financial position as the Nationals. Of course they had good teams so there's that, but it's possible.

Edited February 17, 2011 by Northside Blues

[Guest]

A Boston take..

 

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

FORT MYERS, Fla. � Albert Pujols has broken off negotiations for a contract extension with the Cardinals. His agent, Dan Lozano, says the sides will not talk again until after the season.

Let's add up the expiring contracts the Red Sox have, shall we?

J.D. Drew: $14 million

David Ortiz: $12.5 million

Jonathan Papelbon: $12 million

Mike Cameron: $7.25 million

Adrian Gonzalez: $6.3 million

Jason Varitek: $2 million

Tim Wakefield: $2 million

That's $56 million.

The Red Sox will sign Gonzalez to a seven-year extension worth $154 million. Take that to the bank. They didn't trade three premier prospects for one year of anybody. The sides have an understanding in place and a deal will get done.

So knock $22 million off that available money. The Sox would will still have $34 million.

Ryan Kalish goes to right field. Daniel Bard (or Bobby Jenks) become the closer. Two spots are filled at low expense.

Pujols is said to want $275 million over 10 years, the same deal that crackpot Hank Steinbrenner gave Alex Rodriguez. At 31, that seems a little extreme. But this is Albert Pujols, after all. The man has a career OPS of 1.050.

Let's say he dialed it back to eight years and $220 million. Interested in Albert being the DH?

The Sox could pay Pujols his $27 million and still have enough money remaining to fill out the roster and not expand the payroll.

It should not happen. Pujols should stay in St. Louis, one of the best baseball cities in America. He should finish his career there and the Cardinals should pay him what he's worth on the market.

The Red Sox also shouldn't have two first basemen signed for $350 million-plus. That is bad business. Eventually they're going to need that money for the rotation.

But the money is there and if Pujols does become a free agent, don't the Sox have to at least think about it?

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/02/pujols_to_bosto.html

[Northside Blues]

Milwaukee's payroll went from 27 mil to 70 mil in four years (2003-07), 80 mil in 08.

[Sammy Sofa]

they had the 9th lowest payroll in baseball last year, at $62M, and they're going to conceivably more than double it in such short order?

 

Their payroll is actually going to be lower than it was last year, with the Werth contract....and still be less than half the payroll of the TWINS. Yes they could push it to 100 mil within one or two years, 120 mil within four or so. The Twins payroll is supposed to be 112 mil this year. Their payroll in 2008 was 56 million, exactly half that so doubled in three years. Even in 2009 it was only 65 mil. And the Twins aren't nearly in the same financial position as the Nationals. Of course they had good teams so there's that, but it's possible.

 

Exactly. The Nationals are by no means actually constrained to the payroll levels they've been at, and could easily be almost double that right now if the owners wished. Imagine what they'd be able to spend if they actually had a winning team that was drawing in a ton of sellouts and merchandise. Like I said, that's prime market/area with a lot of money that a great baseball team could make a mint off of.

[Rob]

I would think the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers and Angels would be the main bidders, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Kansas City make a serious run or even the National squeak in there.

i don't think Dodgers are in it, unless McCourt sells the team

 

Kansas City really doesn't make any sense and Nationals blew their load on Werth already

 

this is how i see it now, in order of likelihood:

Cards - Cubs - Yankees - Rangers - Angels - Red Sox - Marlins

 

No Blue Jays?

[SouthSideRyan]

The Nats have some really shitty deals in place thanks to Angelos. They don't have the financial capabilities that they would unrestrained by backroom deals

[Guest]

Boston won't have a chance at Pujols. He'll want to continue playing the field, IMO.

 

I think the Mets and Angels will be big players.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Mets are fucked financially while this goes down.

[Guest]

The Mets are [expletive] financially while this goes down.

 

Oh yeah. I forgot about their financial woes.

 

They do have a ton of money potentially coming off the books after '11.

[sneakypower]

I would think the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers and Angels would be the main bidders, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Kansas City make a serious run or even the National squeak in there.

i don't think Dodgers are in it, unless McCourt sells the team

 

Kansas City really doesn't make any sense and Nationals blew their load on Werth already

 

this is how i see it now, in order of likelihood:

Cards - Cubs - Yankees - Rangers - Angels - Red Sox - Marlins

 

No Blue Jays?

why would he go to Toronto, of all places, and how are they going to have the wherewithal to outspend everybody? they don't really make sense as a serious potential suitor

[davell]

I've heard rumors that McCourt is going to wind up having issues coming up with payroll very quickly. He's already taken advances from FOX on TV money too. They better get their divorce situation resolved very quickly, if they're going to have ANY shot at Pujols. I figure their best chance is if the team is sold. In fact, I think it's their ONLY chance.

 

I still think the Cards get something done. They'll have their tiny window before FA starts and my guess is they wanted to show Albert they're very serious about keeping him, but didn't want to invest 275-300 million until they absolutely had to do it. He's still under contract right now, so why would they commit that much this early?

 

He could get hurt this year. He could have an "off" year. They could find out info(steroids or age possibly) that changes their opinion on him dramatically. These reasons alone are worth ANY team waiting until the last minute to give out that kind of cash.

 

They have to trust Albert when he says he wants to be a Cardinal for his entire playing career though and this is where it's going to get really tricky for them. The closer he gets he gets to FA, why wouldn't he at least take a "look" to see what's out there? He'll be tempted at the very least, unless the Cards give him A-Rod money before anyone else has the chance to.

[Sammy Sofa]

I still think the Cards get something done. They'll have their tiny window before FA starts and my guess is they wanted to show Albert they're very serious about keeping him, but didn't want to invest 275-300 million until they absolutely had to do it. He's still under contract right now, so why would they commit that much this early?

 

Right. I'm very excited about all of this, but part of me still thinks their ridiculously low offer was just trying to see if he'd come down to around $25 million.

[shnsajax]

I've heard rumors that McCourt is going to wind up having issues coming up with payroll very quickly. He's already taken advances from FOX on TV money too. They better get their divorce situation resolved very quickly, if they're going to have ANY shot at Pujols. I figure their best chance is if the team is sold. In fact, I think it's their ONLY chance.

 

I still think the Cards get something done. They'll have their tiny window before FA starts and my guess is they wanted to show Albert they're very serious about keeping him, but didn't want to invest 275-300 million until they absolutely had to do it. He's still under contract right now, so why would they commit that much this early?

 

He could get hurt this year. He could have an "off" year. They could find out info(steroids or age possibly) that changes their opinion on him dramatically. These reasons alone are worth ANY team waiting until the last minute to give out that kind of cash.

 

They have to trust Albert when he says he wants to be a Cardinal for his entire playing career though and this is where it's going to get really tricky for them. The closer he gets he gets to FA, why wouldn't he at least take a "look" to see what's out there? He'll be tempted at the very least, unless the Cards give him A-Rod money before anyone else has the chance to.

 

To me unless he agrees in the middle of the season there is no reason for him not to at least look at the FA process even if he wants to stay with the Cards.

[Tyrant]

Boston won't have a chance at Pujols. He'll want to continue playing the field, IMO.

 

And the team that signs him should want him to play defense. Making him the DH takes away a decent chunk of his value.

[SouthSideRyan]

They'll have their tiny window before FA starts and my guess is they wanted to show Albert they're very serious about keeping him,

 

They had a funny way of showing it

[illiniguy]

Sweet Jesus I would give my left arm to have Pujols be a Cub. Not for what he would do for us, sure that would be great, but more for the implosion it would cause in St. Louis.

[Guest]

The Mets are [expletive] financially while this goes down.

 

Oh yeah. I forgot about their financial woes.

 

They do have a ton of money potentially coming off the books after '11.

 

I was thinking about the Mets also for the same reason.

 

Carlos Beltran - $20M

Oliver Perez - $12M

Luis Castillo - $6.25M

 

Plus Francisco Rodriguez could be gone also which would remove another $8.6M (12.1 salary - 3.5 buyout).

[Guest]

Sweet Jesus I would give my left arm to have Pujols be a Cub. Not for what he would do for us, sure that would be great, but more for the implosion it would cause in St. Louis.

 

 

Really? More for the implosion in St. Louis? What the hell?

[PrimeTime]

Rotoworld

 

Carlos Pena said he would be open to discussing an extension with the Cubs at any time.

 

Obviously it's not going to happen anytime soon, as the Cubs signed him to a one-year, $10 million deal just a couple months ago. It's possible the team could be interested in extending him if he gets off to a nice start, though. However, that would rule them out for free-agent-to-be Albert Pujols, and the Cubs have been among the teams most prominently mentioned as a possible landing spot for the best player in the game.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sweet Jesus I would give my left arm to have Pujols be a Cub. Not for what he would do for us, sure that would be great, but more for the implosion it would cause in St. Louis.

 

 

Really? More for the implosion in St. Louis? What the hell?

 

Maybe if St. Louis was literally imploded.

[Guest]

Rotoworld

 

Carlos Pena said he would be open to discussing an extension with the Cubs at any time.

 

Obviously it's not going to happen anytime soon, as the Cubs signed him to a one-year, $10 million deal just a couple months ago. It's possible the team could be interested in extending him if he gets off to a nice start, though. However, that would rule them out for free-agent-to-be Albert Pujols, and the Cubs have been among the teams most prominently mentioned as a possible landing spot for the best player in the game.

 

Can we let the ink dry on the original offer first?