NFL Week 16

[JonJayCutler]

Just because I think it's a little funny, it's still remotely possible for Philly to snag the 1 seed. Here is every result that needs to happen for this to occur:

 

- NO over ATL

- PHI over MIN

- PHI over DAL

- CAR over ATL

- TB over NO

- CHI over GB

- PIT over CLE

- NYG over WAS

- IND over TEN

- SF over ARI

 

If all ten games go the right way, it creates a 3-way tie at 12-4, with the tiebreaker going to strength of victory, and if all those other seemingly meaningless games go that way, Philly wins the strength of victory tiebreaker.

 

EDIT: Bah, Philly beat Atlanta, so they win the tiebreaker in a 2-way tie as well if Chicago loses. Still, this would be funnier.

 

If the Bears beat the Packers, isn't there no chance that Philly can be ahead of the Bears?

No. They could be tied, but the Bears would win the tie-breaker because they beat Philadelphia head-to-head.

 

Exactly. In that scenario, if the Bears win, they are the number one seed because they would have beaten Philly head to head.

 

I think it's different if there's a 3-way tie between PHI, ATL, and CHI.

[Wilson A2000]

Just because I think it's a little funny, it's still remotely possible for Philly to snag the 1 seed. Here is every result that needs to happen for this to occur:

 

- NO over ATL

- PHI over MIN

- PHI over DAL

- CAR over ATL

- TB over NO

- CHI over GB

- PIT over CLE

- NYG over WAS

- IND over TEN

- SF over ARI

 

If all ten games go the right way, it creates a 3-way tie at 12-4, with the tiebreaker going to strength of victory, and if all those other seemingly meaningless games go that way, Philly wins the strength of victory tiebreaker.

 

EDIT: Bah, Philly beat Atlanta, so they win the tiebreaker in a 2-way tie as well if Chicago loses. Still, this would be funnier.

 

If the Bears beat the Packers, isn't there no chance that Philly can be ahead of the Bears?

No. They could be tied, but the Bears would win the tie-breaker because they beat Philadelphia head-to-head.

 

Exactly. In that scenario, if the Bears win, they are the number one seed because they would have beaten Philly head to head.

 

I think it's different if there's a 3-way tie between PHI, ATL, and CHI.

 

OK. I am having trouble finding out how the three way ties work when the teams are not in the same division.

[Guest]

Just because I think it's a little funny, it's still remotely possible for Philly to snag the 1 seed. Here is every result that needs to happen for this to occur:

 

- NO over ATL

- PHI over MIN

- PHI over DAL

- CAR over ATL

- TB over NO

- CHI over GB

- PIT over CLE

- NYG over WAS

- IND over TEN

- SF over ARI

 

If all ten games go the right way, it creates a 3-way tie at 12-4, with the tiebreaker going to strength of victory, and if all those other seemingly meaningless games go that way, Philly wins the strength of victory tiebreaker.

 

EDIT: Bah, Philly beat Atlanta, so they win the tiebreaker in a 2-way tie as well if Chicago loses. Still, this would be funnier.

 

If the Bears beat the Packers, isn't there no chance that Philly can be ahead of the Bears?

No. They could be tied, but the Bears would win the tie-breaker because they beat Philadelphia head-to-head.

 

Exactly. In that scenario, if the Bears win, they are the number one seed because they would have beaten Philly head to head.

 

It's a three-way tie and they all didn't play each other. If just Philly and Chicago are tied (like if they're both 12-4 and Atlanta is better), then Chicago would be ahead of Philly.

 

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[Guest]

Just because I think it's a little funny, it's still remotely possible for Philly to snag the 1 seed. Here is every result that needs to happen for this to occur:

 

- NO over ATL

- PHI over MIN

- PHI over DAL

- CAR over ATL

- TB over NO

- CHI over GB

- PIT over CLE

- NYG over WAS

- IND over TEN

- SF over ARI

 

If all ten games go the right way, it creates a 3-way tie at 12-4, with the tiebreaker going to strength of victory, and if all those other seemingly meaningless games go that way, Philly wins the strength of victory tiebreaker.

 

EDIT: Bah, Philly beat Atlanta, so they win the tiebreaker in a 2-way tie as well if Chicago loses. Still, this would be funnier.

 

Also kind of funny, if you swap the result of the TB-NO game, New Orleans gets the one seed, Chicago is 2 and Philly is 3 while Atlanta drops to No. 5.

[Wilson A2000]

Well then that's crap. If Philly and Chicago are tied at 12-4, I don't think Philly should get the #1 seed.

[Guest]

Well then that's crap. If Philly and Chicago are tied at 12-4, I don't think Philly should get the #1 seed.

 

Why? There are three teams tied and they all didn't play each other.

[JonJayCutler]

These are all moot points because Atlanta is not losing to Carolina in the Georgia Dome next week. Lock of the century.

[SouthSideRyan]

Because the only reason to not use record against those which you're tied is to not punish the Falcons with a 2 seed when they didn't show it on the field. Well, the NFL's tiebreaker puts them at 3rd anyway, and gives the team who is 0-1 against the teams they're tied with the 1 seed.

[Wilson A2000]

Well then that's crap. If Philly and Chicago are tied at 12-4, I don't think Philly should get the #1 seed.

 

Why? There are three teams tied and they all didn't play each other.

 

Atlanta lost to Philly, Bears beat Philly. I know the three way tie screws it all up, but I just would hate to be behind a team that has the same record as you that you beat.

[Guest]

Because the only reason to not use record against those which you're tied is to not punish the Falcons with a 2 seed when they didn't show it on the field. Well, the NFL's tiebreaker puts them at 3rd anyway, and gives the team who is 0-1 against the teams they're tied with the 1 seed.

 

Philly's not 0-1 against the tied teams.

 

If you're doing it off that, it would be Chicago (1-0 vs. tied), Philly (1-1 vs. tied), Atlanta (0-1 vs. tied).

[bukie]

OK. I am having trouble finding out how the three way ties work when the teams are not in the same division.

 

Three or more teams not in the same division:

1 ) Conference record

2 ) Common games between teams (minimum 4)

3 ) Strength of victory

4 ) Strength of schedule.

5 ) Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

6 ) Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

7 ) Best net points in conference games.

8 ) Best net points in all games.

9 ) Best net touchdowns in all games.

10 ) Coin toss.

 

In the ATL-PHI-CHI 3-way tie, conference record would be the same and there aren't enough common games among them for that to count. So, on to strength of victory. In the case of a NO-PHI-CHI 3-way tie, NO has the better conference record and gets the 1 seed.

 

Also of note: no matter how the ties play out, Chicago is at worst a 2 seed with a win.

[SouthSideRyan]

I assumed Philly hadn't played Atlanta. Still doesn't make much sense to me. Chicago beat Philly who beat Atlanta. 1-2-3.

 

I know the transitive property is junk in sports, but these are NFL tiebreakers, and they're all junk

[bukie]

Of course, most of this is a moot point since in all likelihood Atlanta will win one of the next two games, but here are the various tie-breaker scenarios involving the Bears:

 

CHI-ATL - Chicago 1 (common opponents), Atlanta 2

CHI-PHI - Chicago 2 (head-to-head), Philly 3

CHI-NO-ATL - New Orleans 1(wins division on div record, 1 seed on conference record), Chicago 2, Atlanta 5

CHI-ATL-PHI - Atlanta/Philly 1 (strength of victory, which Bears can't win), Chicago 2 (once top team is discovered, tiebreakers start over again and Bears win over either ATL/PHI)

CHI-NO-ATL-PHI - New Orleans 1 (win division on div record, 1 seed on conference record), Chicago 2, Philly 3, Atlanta 5

[CubInOK]

I assumed Philly hadn't played Atlanta. Still doesn't make much sense to me. Chicago beat Philly who beat Atlanta. 1-2-3.

 

I know the transitive property is junk in sports, but these are NFL tiebreakers, and they're all junk

You could have the BCS rankings decide tiebreakers. :-"

[TruffleShuffle]

head to head isn't particularly fair as a tiebreaker between teams in separate divisions because the teams will play a maximum of one time, meaning that one team may get a big advantage (say, the bears getting the #2 overall seed, meaning a bye week and automatic second-round home game) because the schedule happened to give them a home game against the eagles. same argument for the eagles getting an advantage over the falcons.

[Formerly Snayke]

Rams-Seahawks is the Sunday night game next week. We are the NFL's charity case of the year!

[Banedon]

Rams-Seahawks is the Sunday night game next week. We are the NFL's charity case of the year!

 

It's the only game that is meaningful regardless of other games that are played earlier in the day.

[Soul]

This isn't the first moment I'm realizing this, but I figured I'd post now:

 

 

LOL, SD! =D>

[bukie]

Rams-Seahawks is the Sunday night game next week. We are the NFL's charity case of the year!

 

It's the only game that is meaningful regardless of other games that are played earlier in the day.

Of course, if New Orleans loses tonight, the New Orleans-Tampa Bay game will be meaningful regardless of other results, too.

[SouthSideRyan]

head to head isn't particularly fair as a tiebreaker between teams in separate divisions because the teams will play a maximum of one time, meaning that one team may get a big advantage (say, the bears getting the #2 overall seed, meaning a bye week and automatic second-round home game) because the schedule happened to give them a home game against the eagles. same argument for the eagles getting an advantage over the falcons.

 

I'm sure the game being at Soldier Field is why the Eagles got embarrassed by the Bears

[TruffleShuffle]

i guess when your point differential is like 30 points this year, a 5 point home win would qualify as embarrassing your opponent.

[abuck1220]

also it will help if you can keep playing teams that suffered epic meltdowns the previous week.

 

next thing you know, they're going to win a game when a wr doesn't "complete the process" of a would-be game winning td catch.

 

20 seconds remaining + best returner in NFL history + a top 3 kicker in the NFL = game not over.

 

yeah, they had it in the bag.

[SouthSideRyan]

i guess when your point differential is like 30 points this year, a 5 point home win would qualify as embarrassing your opponent.

 

I'll chalk that up to Australia not having a good feed of the game, but the 5 point differential hardly told the story.

[Banedon]

i guess when your point differential is like 30 points this year, a 5 point home win would qualify as embarrassing your opponent.

 

I'll chalk that up to Australia not having a good feed of the game, but the 5 point differential hardly told the story.

 

All of Philly is laboring under the delusion that that game was actually close.

[SouthSideRyan]

i guess when your point differential is like 30 points this year, a 5 point home win would qualify as embarrassing your opponent.

 

I'll chalk that up to Australia not having a good feed of the game, but the 5 point differential hardly told the story.

 

All of Philly is laboring under the delusion that that game was actually close.

 

Truffle's from Australia