NFL Week 10

[SpongeWorthy]

Interfering at will? A 15 yard penalty is still a big deal.

 

And if you're talking about the pinpoint accuracy that is required then any DB is still taking a calculated risk by interfering when there's a good chance the pass won't be completed in the first place.

 

You don't see guys using holding or illegal contact downfield 'at will' when they're burned but the QB still has the ball in his hands and those are only 5/10 yard + auto first down penalties.

 

But the difference is that with a spot foul there's no realistic opportunity for the player to calculate whether it is worth the penalty. If it's 10 yards or maybe a 45 yard catch, you will see a huge increase in PI on purpose. It is a no brainer and coaches will teach it. Holding or illegal contact doesn't make any sense as a comparison and I'm not even sure why you'd try.

 

Holding or illegal contact makes perfect sense. Guys ARE taught to use it if they're completely burned but it's hardly used at will even though it can prevent big gainers at the expense of a 5/10 yard penalty. It's a perfectly valid comparison.

 

And yes, of course you will see PI used as a tactic more often. I never denied that. Why is that a bad thing? Intentional fouling is a tactic used in football, basketball, soccer, etc. It's not inherently bad.

[Formerly Snayke]

Illini fans: was Michael Hoomanawanui injured or something last season? Blocked by better players? I have no idea how that guy didn't show up more. The St. Louis coaching staff is rightfully getting killed again today for not using him more since he's the only receiver/tight end (other than Jackson) who has big play ability.

[Flames24Rulz]

Illini fans: was Michael Hoomanawanui injured or something last season? Blocked by better players? I have no idea how that guy didn't show up more. The St. Louis coaching staff is rightfully getting killed again today for not using him more since he's the only receiver/tight end (other than Jackson) who has big play ability.

 

Ron Zook.

[jersey cubs fan]

Interfering at will? A 15 yard penalty is still a big deal.

 

And if you're talking about the pinpoint accuracy that is required then any DB is still taking a calculated risk by interfering when there's a good chance the pass won't be completed in the first place.

 

You don't see guys using holding or illegal contact downfield 'at will' when they're burned but the QB still has the ball in his hands and those are only 5/10 yard + auto first down penalties.

 

But the difference is that with a spot foul there's no realistic opportunity for the player to calculate whether it is worth the penalty. If it's 10 yards or maybe a 45 yard catch, you will see a huge increase in PI on purpose. It is a no brainer and coaches will teach it. Holding or illegal contact doesn't make any sense as a comparison and I'm not even sure why you'd try.

 

Holding or illegal contact makes perfect sense. Guys ARE taught to use it if they're completely burned but it's hardly used at will even though it can prevent big gainers at the expense of a 5/10 yard penalty. It's a perfectly valid comparison.

 

And yes, of course you will see PI used as a tactic more often. I never denied that. Why is that a bad thing? Intentional fouling is a tactic used in football, basketball, soccer, etc. It's not inherently bad.

 

It's a horrible comparison because you are talking about something done before a pass is even attempted. The payoff is not nearly the same. You don't even know who he is going to throw to, if it could be tipped or picked off, or if they might get a sack. You aren't going to use that tactic under the circumstances you would see NFL defensive backs committing a PI on purpose if it was a simple yardage penalty. And it is a bad thing because the outcomes are completely different. An intentional foul still results in free throws. A 15 yard penalty does not equate closely enough in what a potential 45 yard pass or TD pass could result in. A 10 yard penalty for holding that prevents a sack? Makes perfect sense. A safety for holding in the end zone? Perfectly fair. Pass interference that turns potential game changing plays into mere 15 yard gains is dumb.

[SpongeWorthy]

Interfering at will? A 15 yard penalty is still a big deal.

 

And if you're talking about the pinpoint accuracy that is required then any DB is still taking a calculated risk by interfering when there's a good chance the pass won't be completed in the first place.

 

You don't see guys using holding or illegal contact downfield 'at will' when they're burned but the QB still has the ball in his hands and those are only 5/10 yard + auto first down penalties.

 

But the difference is that with a spot foul there's no realistic opportunity for the player to calculate whether it is worth the penalty. If it's 10 yards or maybe a 45 yard catch, you will see a huge increase in PI on purpose. It is a no brainer and coaches will teach it. Holding or illegal contact doesn't make any sense as a comparison and I'm not even sure why you'd try.

 

Holding or illegal contact makes perfect sense. Guys ARE taught to use it if they're completely burned but it's hardly used at will even though it can prevent big gainers at the expense of a 5/10 yard penalty. It's a perfectly valid comparison.

 

And yes, of course you will see PI used as a tactic more often. I never denied that. Why is that a bad thing? Intentional fouling is a tactic used in football, basketball, soccer, etc. It's not inherently bad.

 

It's a horrible comparison because you are talking about something done before a pass is even attempted. The payoff is not nearly the same. You don't even know who he is going to throw to, if it could be tipped or picked off, or if they might get a sack. You aren't going to use that tactic under the circumstances you would see NFL defensive backs committing a PI on purpose if it was a simple yardage penalty. And it is a bad thing because the outcomes are completely different. An intentional foul still results in free throws. A 15 yard penalty does not equate closely enough in what a potential 45 yard pass or TD pass could result in. A 10 yard penalty for holding that prevents a sack? Makes perfect sense. A safety for holding in the end zone? Perfectly fair. Pass interference that turns potential game changing plays into mere 15 yard gains is dumb.

 

You said yourself that completing a deep ball requires pinpoint accuracy. With few guys running free and clear for easy bombs, you're not going to just commit PI at will when it's difficult to complete a bomb in the first place. There's a very realistic chance the pass won't be completed and you don't give up the 15 yards/auto first down. And presumably if these guys are capable of interfering "at will" then they're also in position to make a play on the ball or even pick it off. The idea that they are going to abandon their defensive instincts just to commit a 15 yard penalty isn't reasonable.

 

And yes, you will see some penalties committed that would prevent obvious touchdowns or huge gains. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. You see at least as many horrible PI calls that unfairly give the offense huge gains under the current system.

[dew1679666265]

And presumably if these guys are capable of interfering "at will" then they're also in position to make a play on the ball or even pick it off. The idea that they are going to abandon their defensive instincts just to commit a 15 yard penalty isn't reasonable.

 

You can be in position to interfere with the receiver and not in position to make a play on the ball. It's much more difficult to go up and beat a receiver for the ball rather than just trip the receiver or something similar.

 

And yes, you will see some penalties committed that would prevent obvious touchdowns or huge gains. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. You see at least as many horrible PI calls that unfairly give the offense huge gains under the current system.

 

I don't really see that many long PI calls that are questionable. Generally the calls are guys who are clearly out of position doing something out of desperation to keep the receiver from catching the ball. Those would only increase if you encourage players to commit penalties more often.

[SpongeWorthy]

You can be in position to interfere with the receiver and not in position to make a play on the ball. It's much more difficult to go up and beat a receiver for the ball rather than just trip the receiver or something similar.

 

Well, yeah. There's a balancing act. But if you're close enough to interfere you can still make a play on a ball that isn't well thrown. You're not going to automatically crash into a receiver if you think you're well positioned to defend anything that isn't a perfectly thrown ball. If the receiver grabs the ball just over your over stretched hands I don't think you're going to commit PI the next time that happens--a perfectly thrown ball is indefensible and it's not worth it to commit to PI on purpose to prevent them.

 

And like I said, I don't see it as a bad thing if the DB has that as a possible tactic. The rules and their application have indisputably gone well in the offense's favor the last 30 or so years and this would walk it back in the defenses favor a little bit.

[ELCABALLO45]

McNabb signs 5 year extension with Washington.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/15/report-redskins-sign-mcnabb-to-five-year-extension/

[Flames24Rulz]

McNabb signs 5 year extension with Washington.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/15/report-redskins-sign-mcnabb-to-five-year-extension/

 

He's been pretty bad this season, so I guess that's warranted.

[dew1679666265]

If the receiver grabs the ball just over your over stretched hands I don't think you're going to commit PI the next time that happens--a perfectly thrown ball is indefensible and it's not worth it to commit to PI on purpose to prevent them.

 

If the pass is more than 15 yards, then yes it is worth it to throw a receiver to the ground on a perfectly thrown ball. If a defender thinks he can make a play on the ball then he's going to make the play, I agree, but changing this rule will increase the times that defenders interfere intentionally when they know they have no shot at the ball.

 

And like I said, I don't see it as a bad thing if the DB has that as a possible tactic. The rules and their application have indisputably gone well in the offense's favor the last 30 or so years and this would walk it back in the defenses favor a little bit.

 

So instead of pushing for the scaling back on the preference for offense (which I agree exists and should be toned down), we should change a perfectly fine defensive rule that won't make the play on the field better, but instead will reward poor defense more often than not? Let's fix the stuff that's broken, not the stuff that works fine.

[Soul]

McNabb signs 5 year extension with Washington.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/15/report-redskins-sign-mcnabb-to-five-year-extension/

 

He's been pretty bad this season, so I guess that's warranted.

 

I'll want to see what, if any, performance provisions are in play with that contract.

[SpongeWorthy]

I really, really don't think a DB can tell the difference between a perfectly thrown ball and one that'll come up slightly long or short while they're running at full speed and possibly hand fighting with a WR.

[jersey cubs fan]

And like I said, I don't see it as a bad thing if the DB has that as a possible tactic. The rules and their application have indisputably gone well in the offense's favor the last 30 or so years and this would walk it back in the defenses favor a little bit.

 

Why is that a good thing? It's not like offenses have dominated this sport. The median points/game is 22.3, making it roughly 7 scores per game, which last three hours.

 

Where is the need for this rule change? It's a bad and unnecessary idea.

[dew1679666265]

I really, really don't think a DB can tell the difference between a perfectly thrown ball and one that'll come up slightly long or short while they're running at full speed and possibly hand fighting with a WR.

 

He probably can't differentiate between a perfectly thrown ball and a non-perfectly thrown ball, but a professional DB is going to have a pretty good idea whether or not he has a shot at defending a pass or not.

[SpongeWorthy]

Because I do think refs blowing PI calls and giving teams unearned field position is a fixable problem and I think a 15 yard/auto first down is a good solution. I just don't see the epidemic of intentional PI happening.

 

It works great in college and I don't think the sport is THAT different where it'll be good at one level and a terrible abomination in the NFL.

[SpongeWorthy]

I really, really don't think a DB can tell the difference between a perfectly thrown ball and one that'll come up slightly long or short while they're running at full speed and possibly hand fighting with a WR.

 

He probably can't differentiate between a perfectly thrown ball and a non-perfectly thrown ball, but a professional DB is going to have a pretty good idea whether or not he has a shot at defending a pass or not.

 

Right. So if the DB thinks he's in good position to defend anything other than a really well thrown ball he's not going to give up on the play and just interfere to reduce the risk of a big gainer. 15 yards/auto first down isn't something just to be given out like candy. It'll vary by the QB/WR combination he's facing and the circumstances of the individual game of course.

[SpongeWorthy]

Jags/Texans Hail Mary Tecmo style:

 

[Andy]

In the "What else can go wrong?" category, Panthers' QB Jimmy Claussen suffered a concussion in yesterday's game. If he can't play this Sunday it will be Tony Pike's turn to be fed to the wolves.

Figures. He finally didn't play crappy for one week so it's typical for the 2010 Panthers that he'd immediately get hurt.

[dew1679666265]

Right. So if the DB thinks he's in good position to defend anything other than a really well thrown ball he's not going to give up on the play and just interfere to reduce the risk of a big gainer. 15 yards/auto first down isn't something just to be given out like candy. It'll vary by the QB/WR combination he's facing and the circumstances of the individual game of course.

 

Of course if the DB thinks he's in good position to make a play, he won't interfere. But if a defender is not in position to play the ball, but is in position to interfere, then it'll be a much more attractive option for him to simply interfere with a receiver on a well thrown ball for a 15-yard penalty rather than allow him to catch it for a, say, 40 yard gain.

[dew1679666265]

Because I do think refs blowing PI calls and giving teams unearned field position is a fixable problem and I think a 15 yard/auto first down is a good solution. I just don't see the epidemic of intentional PI happening.

 

It works great in college and I don't think the sport is THAT different where it'll be good at one level and a terrible abomination in the NFL.

 

I haven't seen a rash of bad PI calls on deep passes either. And if the calls are that bad and that frequent, then shouldn't we make the refs better rather than change the rule to accommodate poor reffing?

[SpongeWorthy]

That McNabb deal is astonishing.

 

I just read that $40 million of it is guaranteed. Who exactly were the Skins bidding against?

[jersey cubs fan]

That McNabb deal is astonishing.

 

It's hysterical. Somebody mentioned that the benching was more of a contract negotiating move last week and I still don't understand how that works.

 

Is there anyway to read into this about Snyder's intentions for potential lock-out next year?

[Mark Priors Calves]

That McNabb deal is astonishing.

 

It's hysterical. Somebody mentioned that the benching was more of a contract negotiating move last week and I still don't understand how that works.

 

Is there anyway to read into this about Snyder's intentions for potential lock-out next year?

 

If the benching was a part of the negotiations and designed to give the Redskins leverage, what the hell contract would McNabb have gotten if he stayed in the game?

[Soul]

So it's not full of performance escalators, and they're just going to hand McNabb $40 million?

 

:lol:

[Sosa21MVP]

So it's not full of performance escalators, and they're just going to hand McNabb $40 million?

 

:lol:

 

It is truly dumbfounding isn't it? :shock: