Bears game 3: Monday Sep. 27 vs GB on ESPN

[Flames24Rulz]

Lovie Smith's the best coach in the division, btw.

 

Is he the best coach on his own team? Lovie looks a WHOLE lot better when he has other guys that know what they're doing calling plays and able to do their job. Lovie doesn't have to do as much with this team as he has since he forced out Ron Rivera. Marinelli, Tice and Martz are all doing a really great job with this team. It's a team that's developing.

 

Tommie Harris, Zach Bowman...I don't think those guys get pulled last year. I think that's Marinelli doing that.

 

It might also speak volumes as to how bad both McCarthy and Childress are. Ultimately, the head coach is still responsible for who's going into and out of the game. If he doesn't deserve some credit for going 3-0, including beating two teams that are better on paper than his club, then I really don't know what it's going to take for Bears fans to cater to Smith.

 

29th in penalties in 07

31st in penalties in 08

32nd in penalties in 09

 

Again, THAT'S a sign of bad coaching. We're well on our way to duplicating that this year.

[Mark Priors Calves]

this thread has made my morning despite my tiredness and somewhat hangoverness.

[sneakypower]

oh yeah, that absolutely reeks of Marinelli

 

the same guy who sent Shaun Rogers into exile because he took some plays off, and brought in crusty old "hard-working" Chuck Darby to replace him

 

i still hate him

[jersey cubs fan]

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. First few weeks of the season we beat GB 26-0, DET 34-7, MIN 19-16, defending NFC champ SEA 37-6, BUF 41-7 before the lucky Arizona game. Before that game we were generally regarded as the first or second best team in the league. We were #1 in ESPN power rankings.

 

Yeah, they started off great...you're right. But as the season went on they were winning with ST and Defense. I didn't mean that it was following the pattern game for game. Just that the style of wins has some similar characteristics.

 

Don Banks already pretty much writing the Bears off as "lucky"....

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/09/28/packers.bears.5things/index.html

 

Don Banks is one of the idiots who picked the Bears as a bottom 5 team so he has to do that even as he shoots them up his rankings.

 

I think there's a little bit of 2005 going on, but they haven't been that lucky. They should have destroyed the Lions and are only considered lucky to have won that because of one play.

[davell]

The Bears outgained the Lions by 295 yards in week 1. They moved the ball at will and held Detroit down all day as well. They committed 4 turnovers though(3 in the red zone) which kept the game close. So while the Lions got screwed on the Johnson play, the game never should have been that close to begin with.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lovie Smith's the best coach in the division, btw.

 

Is he the best coach on his own team? Lovie looks a WHOLE lot better when he has other guys that know what they're doing calling plays and able to do their job. Lovie doesn't have to do as much with this team as he has since he forced out Ron Rivera. Marinelli, Tice and Martz are all doing a really great job with this team. It's a team that's developing.

 

Tommie Harris, Zach Bowman...I don't think those guys get pulled last year. I think that's Marinelli doing that.

 

It might also speak volumes as to how bad both McCarthy and Childress are. Ultimately, the head coach is still responsible for who's going into and out of the game. If he doesn't deserve some credit for going 3-0, including beating two teams that are better on paper than his club, then I really don't know what it's going to take for Bears fans to cater to Smith.

 

29th in penalties in 07

31st in penalties in 08

32nd in penalties in 09

 

Again, THAT'S a sign of bad coaching. We're well on our way to duplicating that this year.

 

I don't know what catering has to do with it, but the head coach really doesn't have much of anything to say about who goes in and out of games. Position coaches and coordinators determine that.

 

Lovie overplayed his hand after the Super Bowl season and the team paid a price. If him stepping back and letting a real OC and a real DC run their parts of the team leads to success, I'd be fine with keeping him on. But the fall from 2006 to 2007-2009 was as much a Lovie problem as anybody else. 3 wins is great, but it's not a season.

[Banedon]

I think Harris has been benched before. But I do think Martz and Tice have made a big difference on offense and Marinellie helps to keep Lovie away from the defense. I was happy that Rod apparently figured out the blitz was not working and stopped doing it later. If you are going to be a bend but don't break defense that relies on the offense eventually making a mistake, don't freaking blitz, and don't drop your best pass rusher into coverage.

 

Harris has been benched, but it's been suspensions...never just a performance based coaches decision like this. Lovie even said that Tommie has done what the coaches have asked....which, if you believe Lovie, means that Tommie just isn't the best option out there right now...and I don't think Lovie would have made that decision.

 

[it might also speak volumes as to how bad both McCarthy and Childress are. Ultimately, the head coach is still responsible for who's going into and out of the game. If he doesn't deserve some credit for going 3-0, including beating two teams that are better on paper than his club, then I really don't know what it's going to take for Bears fans to cater to Smith.

 

Hey, Smith has had a good year so far. He's made some mistakes, but I don't hate him nearly as much as I have in other years. Is that giving him enough credit? :)

[jersey cubs fan]

What is up with Aromashadu?

 

I think he's a little soft for the coach's liking and they didn't like how he kept saying things like "they aren't telling me anything." It's a matter of choosing to do what you're told as a player or only doing what you want to do. If he was a little more established he'd probably have a leg to stand on, but as a journeyman with just a couple games under his belt, he's got to work harder.

[Banedon]

What is up with Aromashadu?

 

I think he's a little soft for the coach's liking and they didn't like how he kept saying things like "they aren't telling me anything." It's a matter of choosing to do what you're told as a player or only doing what you want to do. If he was a little more established he'd probably have a leg to stand on, but as a journeyman with just a couple games under his belt, he's got to work harder.

 

One of the Score producers tweeted this last night...

 

Tommie Harris was seen having a HEATED discussion with agent Drew Rosenhaus @ the Hilton this afternoon. Wants out. Personal witness

 

Mulligan this morning said that supposedly one of the things that he told Rosenhaus was "they don't tell me anything".

[KingCubsFan]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

At this point, it seems more like 2001, when we went 12-4 and got demolished by the Eagles in the playoffs.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Harris has been benched before. But I do think Martz and Tice have made a big difference on offense and Marinellie helps to keep Lovie away from the defense. I was happy that Rod apparently figured out the blitz was not working and stopped doing it later. If you are going to be a bend but don't break defense that relies on the offense eventually making a mistake, don't freaking blitz, and don't drop your best pass rusher into coverage.

 

Harris has been benched, but it's been suspensions...never just a performance based coaches decision like this.

 

I think he was benched once last year in a non-suspension situation. It was a few weeks before the Arizona game meltdown that got him kicked out.

[David]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

 

 

The Bears didn't really luck into wins that much that year... the closest you could say was the game at Minnesota that was the first hint of Bad Rex, with the game winning TD to Rashied Davis... and then there was the Arizona MNF game which was in your face Bad Rex.... but those games were mixed in with completely destroying @GB, Detroit, Buffalo, and the defending conference champion Seahawks on national TV. When that team had Tommie and Brown healthy, it was really freaking good.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

At this point, it seems more like 2001, when we went 12-4 and got demolished by the Eagles in the playoffs.

 

Not to me. That team was fluky. They had one 300 yard passing game all season. They were a bad offense that got lucky with points scored from the defense. This is a better all-around team, even if they aren't the best in the NFC.

[Banedon]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

 

 

The Bears didn't really luck into wins that much that year... the closest you could say was the game at Minnesota that was the first hint of Bad Rex, with the game winning TD to Rashied Davis... and then there was the Arizona MNF game which was in your face Bad Rex.... but those games were mixed in with completely destroying @GB, Detroit, Buffalo, and the defending conference champion Seahawks on national TV. When that team had Tommie and Brown healthy, it was really freaking good.

 

But a lot of that was special teams and defensive scores though, right? People were calling those "luck". Even in blowouts. Or so that's the way I'm remembering it.

[Magnetic Curses]

And as for the 150 free yards in penalties, you Packer fans still haven't said anything about the penalty on Melton that was total BS and led to a Packer TD.

 

What about the holding penalty on Tauscher that negated the Packer TD? I say it evened out.

 

Except that Tauscher held.

 

the tauscher twins were holding or jumping all night. they held peppers on every single play.

[jersey cubs fan]

But a lot of that was special teams and defensive scores though, right? People were calling those "luck". Even in blowouts. Or so that's the way I'm remembering it.

 

No, 2001 and 2005 had luck where the defense carried bad offenses and tipped balls ended up in Mike Brown's hands. At least 2006 they were average on offense, mixing in really productive games, solid/stable/boring games, with the bad ones. I don't think luck was a major part of 2006.

[Magnetic Curses]

What is up with Aromashadu?

 

I think he's a little soft for the coach's liking and they didn't like how he kept saying things like "they aren't telling me anything." It's a matter of choosing to do what you're told as a player or only doing what you want to do. If he was a little more established he'd probably have a leg to stand on, but as a journeyman with just a couple games under his belt, he's got to work harder.

 

One of the Score producers tweeted this last night...

 

Tommie Harris was seen having a HEATED discussion with agent Drew Rosenhaus @ the Hilton this afternoon. Wants out. Personal witness

 

Mulligan this morning said that supposedly one of the things that he told Rosenhaus was "they don't tell me anything".

 

harris and a pick for haynesworth and cash.

[Banedon]

harris and a pick for haynesworth and cash.

 

I know you mentioned this a week or two ago, and I loved the idea then, but I dunno. Haynesworth has looked like a real dog out there, and he just won't shut his trap. He comes with so much baggage and stupid.

[jersey cubs fan]

harris and a pick for haynesworth and cash.

 

I know you mentioned this a week or two ago, and I loved the idea then, but I dunno. Haynesworth has looked like a real dog out there, and he just won't shut his trap. He comes with so much baggage and stupid.

 

Harris is a head case as well. The heart of Haynesworth's issues is supposedly the 4-3/3-4 debate, which is solved in Chicago. But why would Washington want Harris in their 3-4? He's not that type of tackle, and he's not explosive enough to move to end.

 

I think it would cost too much money for the Bears and leave Washington with a similar problem. But if a trade causes guys to get their heads straight for the rest of the year, it could be mutually beneficial.

 

I also have no idea what they would do with cap issues if 2011 happens, so you might be looking at a one and done scenario with Haynesworth, making the draft pick tough to give up. This team desperately needs those picks to replenish the team. They are relying far too heavily on older LBers and one older DE.

Edited September 28, 2010 by jersey cubs fan

[David]

I was at this game btw :-)

[David]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

At this point, it seems more like 2001, when we went 12-4 and got demolished by the Eagles in the playoffs.

 

 

13-3

 

 

but i don't agree... this team is a lot better than that team was

 

 

if i had to guess... among decent bears teams of the last 10 years... i'd put them something like 2001<2008<2010<2006

 

I didn't leave out the 05 team, I'm just having a really hard time placing them and deciding whether i'd put it ahead of this team or not... the offense was abysmal but the defense was fantastic.

 

 

I'd like to see how we do in a few more games against some lesser opponents the next few weeks (asI still consider Dallas to be a good team). I'm hoping to see us be able to dominate some of them.

[Magnetic Curses]

harris and a pick for haynesworth and cash.

 

I know you mentioned this a week or two ago, and I loved the idea then, but I dunno. Haynesworth has looked like a real dog out there, and he just won't shut his trap. He comes with so much baggage and stupid.

 

Harris is a head case as well. The heart of Haynesworth's issues is supposedly the 4-3/3-4 debate, which is solved in Chicago. But why would Washington want Harris in their 3-4? He's not that type of tackle, and he's not explosive enough to move to end.

 

I think it would cost too much money for the Bears and leave Washington with a similar problem. But if a trade causes guys to get their heads straight for the rest of the year, it could be mutually beneficial.

 

I also have no idea what they would do with cap issues if 2011 happens, so you might be looking at a one and done scenario with Haynesworth, making the draft pick tough to give up. This team desperately needs those picks to replenish the team. They are relying far too heavily on older LBers and one older DE.

 

good point about the 3-4 thing. it really doesn't make much sense for washington unless they think harris can play end.

[erik316wttn]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

At this point, it seems more like 2001, when we went 12-4 and got demolished by the Eagles in the playoffs.

 

 

13-3

 

 

but i don't agree... this team is a lot better than that team was

 

 

if i had to guess... among decent bears teams of the last 10 years... i'd put them something like 2001<2008<2010<2006

 

I didn't leave out the 05 team, I'm just having a really hard time placing them and deciding whether i'd put it ahead of this team or not... the offense was abysmal but the defense was fantastic.

 

 

I'd like to see how we do in a few more games against some lesser opponents the next few weeks (asI still consider Dallas to be a good team). I'm hoping to see us be able to dominate some of them.

 

Didn't the Packers beat that team twice that year? :)

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm not going to suggest this is a Super Bowl year for the Bears, cuz that's obviously putting the cart WAY before the horse here...

 

But is this season reminding anyone else of the start of the Super Bowl run a few years ago? The Bears "lucked" their way to wins...were generally ridiculed for not being as good as their record would indicate, and generally under-appreciated nationally. Hester running back kicks, Bears winning with bend (a lot) but don't break (often), being incredibly stingy with rushing yards...

 

Just seems like I've done the whole arguing about "the Bears got a gift win" before. At some point, can we say that talent helps cause penalties, and forcing long drives helps create chances for turnovers?

 

I'm not convinced we're the best team in the league, but we're clearly damn good and should be in the conversation.

At this point, it seems more like 2001, when we went 12-4 and got demolished by the Eagles in the playoffs.

 

 

13-3

 

 

but i don't agree... this team is a lot better than that team was

 

 

if i had to guess... among decent bears teams of the last 10 years... i'd put them something like 2001<2008<2010<2006

 

I didn't leave out the 05 team, I'm just having a really hard time placing them and deciding whether i'd put it ahead of this team or not... the offense was abysmal but the defense was fantastic.

 

 

I'd like to see how we do in a few more games against some lesser opponents the next few weeks (asI still consider Dallas to be a good team). I'm hoping to see us be able to dominate some of them.

 

Didn't the Packers beat that team twice that year? :)

 

and the bears swept the packers last time green bay went 13-3, too. what's your point?

[David]

13-3

 

 

but i don't agree... this team is a lot better than that team was

 

 

if i had to guess... among decent bears teams of the last 10 years... i'd put them something like 2001<2008<2010<2006

 

I didn't leave out the 05 team, I'm just having a really hard time placing them and deciding whether i'd put it ahead of this team or not... the offense was abysmal but the defense was fantastic.

 

 

I'd like to see how we do in a few more games against some lesser opponents the next few weeks (asI still consider Dallas to be a good team). I'm hoping to see us be able to dominate some of them.

 

Didn't the Packers beat that team twice that year? :)

 

 

Yep. The other loss was a close game to the defending champion Ravens at Baltimore in the opener, IIRC.