NCAA Football re-alignment?

[EhDubya]

so BCS teams have to know 2-3 years in advance (when most scheduling is done) who the top non-BCS teams will be in those years and try to schedule them? Sure, it works for BSU right now b/c they're on a run for the last few years. But it's not like you're always going to know which non-BCS team is the biggest threat to go undefeated.

 

I guess my point is that Boise and TCU can only schedule the teams that will play them. Telling them to go out and "schedule harder teams" is pretty disingenuous. Harder teams need to be willing to play them to improve the SOS.

 

I'm not telling Boise St who to schedule, rather saying it's my opinion they should beef up their OCC all around to gain more respect. I'm not saying they should play Va Tech, Penn State, Texas, and Florida, but they could probably get those Wake Forest, Kansas St types.

 

And over the past couple years and into next they have had Washington, Oregon, Va Tech, Oregon St, and Ole Miss. I find it hard to believe they couldn't get 1 or 2 more competitive BCS team per year to play.

[dew1679666265]

I find it hard to believe they couldn't get 1 or 2 more competitive BCS team per year to play.

 

I simply don't really see a benefit in it for the BCS programs. The Alabamas, Penn States and Ohio States don't really gain much from it and the Wake Forests, Kentuckys and K-States have enough trouble beating the major programs they already have to play.

 

Adding in the factor that it's not profitable for the program to travel for 4 OOC games instead of getting 1 or 2 at home, I can understand why they haven't played more prolific opponents.

[Tracer Bullet]

Right, BSU has a very difficult choice. I guess that's unfortunate, but everything isn't fair in CFB. Almost every year there's a team that got left out of the title game or another BCS game that complains that they should have been in over another team. Frequently they have a legit argument. But is BSU better off in the current system where they play 1-2 decent OOC games and go to a BCS game but probably won't get to the title game?

 

ETA: I don't agree, dew. For example, I think ESPN would give OSU/BSU the same recognition as OSU/Miami, esp when BSU is a top 5 team. As long as they're scheduled just a year or two out, I think those top-10 BCS teams would gain just as much from playing a BSU as they would another top BCS team. They might even get more recognition at this point for being the biggest school willing to play them. Most writers/coaches aren't sleeping on BSU at this point.

[CliftonHanger]

My assumption is that if they really wanted to, they could definitely schedule better competition than Toledo and Wyoming.

 

I've heard it reported (on Sportscenter and the like, no links as proof however) that Boise has offered to play one-time games on the road with more prolific schools and has been turned down at each offer.

 

From the reports, they're not content with the softer schedule. As far as simply getting teams better than Wyoming and Toledo, would people really give them credit for beating Kentucky at home or Duke at a neutral site? And what motivation do those teams have to play Boise when they have their own tough conference schedules to play, which they generally don't win much in anyway? Boise is in a unique spot (kind of along with Utah, BYU and TCU) where there's really no positives for major programs to play them, yet they need to play as many major programs as possible.

 

As long as we have the BCS, there will be no reason for a major program to schedule Boise. Why a few do now I have no idea, because there's no real gain to it (except perhaps some monetary gain).

 

 

^^^This^^^

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm sure a neutral site boise state-duke game would be really well attended.

[Guest]

My assumption is that if they really wanted to, they could definitely schedule better competition than Toledo and Wyoming.

 

I've heard it reported (on Sportscenter and the like, no links as proof however) that Boise has offered to play one-time games on the road with more prolific schools and has been turned down at each offer.

 

From the reports, they're not content with the softer schedule. As far as simply getting teams better than Wyoming and Toledo, would people really give them credit for beating Kentucky at home or Duke at a neutral site? And what motivation do those teams have to play Boise when they have their own tough conference schedules to play, which they generally don't win much in anyway? Boise is in a unique spot (kind of along with Utah, BYU and TCU) where there's really no positives for major programs to play them, yet they need to play as many major programs as possible.

 

As long as we have the BCS, there will be no reason for a major program to schedule Boise. Why a few do now I have no idea, because there's no real gain to it (except perhaps some monetary gain).

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709

 

This might be the story or one of the stories you're thinking of.

[dew1679666265]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709

 

This might be the story or one of the stories you're thinking of.

 

Yep, that's one of them. I remember a couple of others, but they may have been reports on TV as opposed to internet stories.

 

I don't agree with all his points in there, but if Boise really is offering to do a one-time game with any team out there and is still getting turned down, there's really nothing else they can do. It's simply a fault in a bad system.

[Tracer Bullet]

I wonder if he's really called every BCS team in the top 25 or something. This quote seems to suggest its something less than that:

 

“It’s been surprising how many big schools have not been receptive of us coming to their place,” Bleymaier said.

 

Either way, he was calling in Nov 2009 looking for a game in 2011. I don't know how early schools have fixed those schedules, but as I said before, it's pretty early. PSU, for example, currently has 2011 and 2012 scheduled. Same with OSU and Iowa. And those are just the first 3 teams I looked at (and the only years I checked, they may go out further yet). Most BCS schools only have 3-4 OOC games and often have those schedules done at least 2 years in advance (and frequently done and not announced earlier than that). Sure there are exceptions, but not being able to get a big school to throw you in less than 2 years out isn't shocking to me.

 

Even ND, which has a number or long term contracts, but doesn't have the 8-9 team conference schedule, has 2011 and 2012 done (though not announced, sounds like they're going to WF next year). Heck, they're almost done with their 2017 schedule at this point.

 

As I said before, it makes little sense for a BCS school to schedule a team like BSU that far in advance b/c if they're a 2-3 loss team when you play them, it's not worth the risk. And you're not going to know they're a top-25 team until the year or two before, when your schedule is almost done. I'm not sure if that's a flaw or what, but I don't think it's fair to say that all the big BCS schools are chicken for not having an open date for BSU next year.

[CliftonHanger]

I am thinking that BSU will be around for a while. They have only lost 14 games in the last nine years. They haev only been in Div I since 1996!

[hawkeyecub]

NY Daily News reporting that TCU is joining the Big East in all sports. No timetable yet.

 

We went from having BYU, Utah, TCU and Boise together to just Boise again. That sucks.

 

That's going to be so weird in basketball.

[Jon]

TCU scheduled a press conference for 1 PM central.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wonder if the Big East is considering booting DePaul, or if they're going to continue to be an unwieldly mess of a basketball conference.

[Jon]

It's widely being reported now. TCU will join the Big East in all sports starting 2012-13.

[Banedon]

Good for TCU. As a Boise fan, I'm a little jealous...with them being in an AQ conference now.

[UMFan83]

I wonder if the Big East is considering booting DePaul, or if they're going to continue to be an unwieldly mess of a basketball conference.

 

Might be the best thing to happen to DePaul basketball and the Big East at this point. I can't see the point of having 17 basketball teams in the conference.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wonder if the Big East is considering booting DePaul, or if they're going to continue to be an unwieldly mess of a basketball conference.

 

Might be the best thing to happen to DePaul basketball and the Big East at this point. I can't see the point of having 17 basketball teams in the conference.

 

Of course, I can't see the point in having 16 teams in a basketball conference either.

[Guest]

I guess that's the best option if you're the Big East. But still...why?

[Banedon]

It'd be a hilarious time to take away the Big East automatic invite and give it to the MWC.

[SouthSideRyan]

I guess that's the best option if you're the Big East. But still...why?

 

Cause they were afraid a conference headlined by TCU, Boise St, and the first team to beat Boise in 2 years (which was a loss to TCU) would steal their bid.

[Flames24Rulz]

I wonder if the Big East is considering booting DePaul, or if they're going to continue to be an unwieldly mess of a basketball conference.

 

Might be the best thing to happen to DePaul basketball and the Big East at this point. I can't see the point of having 17 basketball teams in the conference.

 

That's immediately what I thought too. Get the hell out of that mess right now.

[WrigleyField 22]

So who's the bigger loser here, the MWC or Boise State?

[Flames24Rulz]

So who's the bigger loser here, the MWC or Boise State?

 

Boise's still Pac-10/12/14/16 bound whenever they expand to 16 teams.

 

I'd expect Houston to be on the MWC's radar right now. Maybe even SMU too.

[SouthSideRyan]

So who's the bigger loser here, the MWC or Boise State?

 

Boise's still Pac-10/12/14/16 bound whenever they expand to 16 teams.

 

I'd expect Houston to be on the MWC's radar right now. Maybe even SMU too.

 

Boise was never brought up as a possibility in the most recent talks. I know academics seem to have really taken a backseat compared to what Stanford and Cal used to threaten, but taking on Boise might still be too much for them.

[Banedon]

So who's the bigger loser here, the MWC or Boise State?

 

Boise's still Pac-10/12/14/16 bound whenever they expand to 16 teams.

 

I'd expect Houston to be on the MWC's radar right now. Maybe even SMU too.

 

Is Boise State committed to the MWC for a certain term? Or can they just bail whenever the Pac 12 opens the doors?

[Old Style]

It'd be a hilarious time to take away the Big East automatic invite and give it to the MWC.

That would make me giddy.