Derrek Lee Blocks Trade to Angels

[dew1679666265]

Aren't they talking about the first baseman for the 2011 Chicago Cubs?

 

If they're talking about next year, then yeah there's no chance Vitters will or should be in Chicago next year. I thought CubinNY was saying Vitters wasn't likely to get to Chicago at any point though.

 

He said anytime soon, and the previous guy was specifically talking about Vitters playing 1B next year.

 

Yeah, misread that.

[jersey cubs fan]

He had a good week before he got hurt. There's no credence to the idea. He had a terrible year both in the field and at the plate and luck doesn't explain anything. Hopefully he can play better next year at AA.

 

His .252 BABIP despite an 18% LD% is meaningless? Do you not buy into luck playing a part at any level or just in the minors?

 

I don't believe much in the viability of line drive determination in the minor leagues.

[dew1679666265]

Any thoughts on whom you would like to see?

 

He's specifically mentioned Kila Ka'aihaue from the Royals in the past.

[dew1679666265]

I don't believe much in the viability of line drive determination in the minor leagues.

 

I could see it being off somewhat, but wildly off seems odd. What difference is there in how it's figured in the majors vs the minors?

[javy knows my name]

 

Vitters has no place in the composition of the 2011 team unless he's getting traded for somebody that will make the roster.

I really like this. Dry as hell.

[Guest]

Vitters cannot hit his way out of AA and now he's hurt. Why would the Cubs put any faith that he'll be playing in Chicago any time soon? That's just stupid as is the Lee is a loser stuff.

 

He had bad numbers there this year, but he's young for the league and got some terrible BABIP luck. He was heating up when he got hurt, lending credence to the idea that he had potentially figured out AA.

 

The injury keeps us from knowing for sure this year, however. But again, considering how young he is, he still has ample time to develop and still be on a normal track.

 

Aren't they talking about the first baseman for the 2011 Chicago Cubs?

 

That was my thought.

 

Vitters has no place in the composition of the 2011 team unless he's getting traded for somebody that will make the roster.

 

My hope continues to be that Hendry will find a way to pull in a AAAA 1B at the deadline with some measure of upside, so they at least have something resembling an in house option going into the offseason.

Any thoughts on whom you would like to see?

 

Kila Ka'aihue from KC would be ideal. I'm sure Dayton Moore would like Theriot. Jeff Larish wouldn't be terrible either.

[Burtonbell]

Didnt see this posted but it looks like DLee nixed the trade on the 21st of July, when the Angels were 5 games out of first place. Wonder who the Cubs would have received in that deal.

 

It sounds like (IMO) it backs up the idea that if Lee was going to be traded, at least let send him to someone who he thinks has a shot (Yanks, Sox, Braves, ?) and is looking for a 1b.

 

 

You have to wonder if Derrek Lee was among those who wasn't convinced this Angels team was a contender. Lee's Cubs are only a game further out than the Angels are.

 

The Angels had a deal in place for the Chicago Cubs slugger on July 21, but Lee -- a 10-year veteran with five years in Chicago -- vetoed it. Back then, the Angels were only five games out of first. They then set their sights on Callaspo, sending a pair of minor league pitchers to the Kansas City Royals to acquire him.

 

Lee, a Sacramento native, is in the process of building a house in Southern California.

 

"There's a lot of thought that goes into it, not just that I have a home," Lee told Chicago reporters. "I thought about it for a good 24 hours, and agonized over it."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/columns/story?id=5418710

[Keener98]

My two cents...or Less...This is exactly the problem...We have players that are used to losing and it doesn't bother them...Maybe Z was in the right for blasting his sub par play and effort.... DLee would rather play for a last place team than have a chance to be on another winning team at age 35... He should be waived before he infects Castro and Colvin anymore..

 

We're not a last place team – there are two teams currently behind us in the standings. The Angels are also only 6 games better than us and still 8.5 games out of first place, currently sitting in third place in their division. Going to the Angels would only put DLee in a marginally better position to make the playoffs.

 

According to mlbtraderumors DLee turned down this trade 8 days ago when the Angels were in 2nd place and only 5 games behind the Rangers. That would have put Lee in a lot better position to make the playoffs than to stay with the Cubs.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm really curious to know who we would've gotten back in return for Lee. At the very least, it would give an idea of how much (or little) other teams might value him.

[Keener98]

Didnt see this posted but it looks like DLee nixed the trade on the 21st of July, when the Angels were 5 games out of first place. Wonder who the Cubs would have received in that deal.

 

It sounds like (IMO) it backs up the idea that if Lee was going to be traded, at least let send him to someone who he thinks has a shot (Yanks, Sox, Braves, ?) and is looking for a 1b.

 

 

You have to wonder if Derrek Lee was among those who wasn't convinced this Angels team was a contender. Lee's Cubs are only a game further out than the Angels are.

 

The Angels had a deal in place for the Chicago Cubs slugger on July 21, but Lee -- a 10-year veteran with five years in Chicago -- vetoed it. Back then, the Angels were only five games out of first. They then set their sights on Callaspo, sending a pair of minor league pitchers to the Kansas City Royals to acquire him.

 

Lee, a Sacramento native, is in the process of building a house in Southern California.

 

"There's a lot of thought that goes into it, not just that I have a home," Lee told Chicago reporters. "I thought about it for a good 24 hours, and agonized over it."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/columns/story?id=5418710

 

I dont think it had anything to do with how Lee felt about the Angels chances. Hes confortable in Chicago and I think thats pretty much the extent of why he declined it. It really makes no sense. 5 games out, going to Cali where hes from, and hed rather stay with this [expletive] team, just plain stupid. I know he likes to talk about his familty being a major reason, but hes originally from Cali, and its for 2 months. How many days during these next 2 months is he really going to be in Chicago?

[dew1679666265]

My two cents...or Less...This is exactly the problem...We have players that are used to losing and it doesn't bother them...Maybe Z was in the right for blasting his sub par play and effort.... DLee would rather play for a last place team than have a chance to be on another winning team at age 35... He should be waived before he infects Castro and Colvin anymore..

 

We're not a last place team – there are two teams currently behind us in the standings. The Angels are also only 6 games better than us and still 8.5 games out of first place, currently sitting in third place in their division. Going to the Angels would only put DLee in a marginally better position to make the playoffs.

 

According to mlbtraderumors DLee turned down this trade 8 days ago when the Angels were in 2nd place and only 5 games behind the Rangers. That would have put Lee in a lot better position to make the playoffs than to stay with the Cubs.

 

Better, but still not in a sure-fire playoff situation. Certainly not close enough to say he doesn't care about winning or is nurturing a culture of losing by rejecting the trade.

[mookie]

Derrek Lee is a clinger, which is a really big turn off for me.

[Keener98]

My two cents...or Less...This is exactly the problem...We have players that are used to losing and it doesn't bother them...Maybe Z was in the right for blasting his sub par play and effort.... DLee would rather play for a last place team than have a chance to be on another winning team at age 35... He should be waived before he infects Castro and Colvin anymore..

 

We're not a last place team – there are two teams currently behind us in the standings. The Angels are also only 6 games better than us and still 8.5 games out of first place, currently sitting in third place in their division. Going to the Angels would only put DLee in a marginally better position to make the playoffs.

 

According to mlbtraderumors DLee turned down this trade 8 days ago when the Angels were in 2nd place and only 5 games behind the Rangers. That would have put Lee in a lot better position to make the playoffs than to stay with the Cubs.

 

Better, but still not in a sure-fire playoff situation. Certainly not close enough to say he doesn't care about winning or is nurturing a culture of losing by rejecting the trade.

 

Well the only way its a sure fire playoff situation is if it was a 1st place team. 5 games out with 2 months left and chasing 1 team is a damn good pennant race, and most definitely raises questions about his desire to win right now. Especially with it being to his home state where he is building a home at anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think Marlon Byrd is the culprit behind the culture of losing. He chose to sign with a team that didn't even come close to the playoffs. He's the big addition to last year's team and lo and behold we're much worse

[davell]

Instead of Colvin at 1B next year, assuming we don't sign someone, how about Soto at 1B? We have Castillo and Chirinos in the minors and it's more likely to me anyway that one of them can put up numbers that are OK at the C spot than it is for Colvin to do so at 1B......

 

My gut tells me we re-sign Lee for 1-6 or so, if we can't figure out a way to get Fielder or A-Gon, who I feel is new managements first splash waiting to happen.......

[dew1679666265]

Well the only way its a sure fire playoff situation is if it was a 1st place team. 5 games out with 2 months left and chasing 1 team is a damn good pennant race, and most definitely raises questions about his desire to win right now. Especially with it being to his home state where he is building a home at anyway.

 

Five games out with 2 months left, but fading. They were as little as 3.5 out on July 17, but had lost a game and a half in the standings in 4 days and since he turned the trade down, they've gone 1-6. They also had a 7-10 record in the month of July up to the 21st. DLee couldn't have known they'd collapse like this, but they didn't look like a good bet to turn it on even then.

[dew1679666265]

Instead of Colvin at 1B next year, assuming we don't sign someone, how about Soto at 1B? We have Castillo and Chirinos in the minors and it's more likely to me anyway that one of them can put up numbers that are OK at the C spot than it is for Colvin to do so at 1B......

 

My gut tells me we re-sign Lee for 1-6 or so, if we can't figure out a way to get Fielder or A-Gon, who I feel is new managements first splash waiting to happen.......

 

From everything I've heard, Colvin at first and Geo catching would be a better offensive duo than Geo at first and Castillo/Chirinos behind the plate. Both of the latter sound like poor hitting catchers.

[CubColtPacer]

Instead of Colvin at 1B next year, assuming we don't sign someone, how about Soto at 1B? We have Castillo and Chirinos in the minors and it's more likely to me anyway that one of them can put up numbers that are OK at the C spot than it is for Colvin to do so at 1B......

 

My gut tells me we re-sign Lee for 1-6 or so, if we can't figure out a way to get Fielder or A-Gon, who I feel is new managements first splash waiting to happen.......

 

One of them could probably put up numbers that are ok at the catcher spot. The problem becomes that you've just taken a spot that is a major strength and turned it into something that is only ok.

 

Having Colvin at first (which is not something I'm advocating) would allow the Cubs to put an extra OF in the lineup who is likely going to be a better hitter than having an extra catcher in the lineup.

[bleedingblue]

Maybe Lee just doesn't want to leave because he's been the protected boy in the Chicago media.

[sneakypower]

Kila Ka'aihue from KC would be ideal. I'm sure Dayton Moore would like Theriot. Jeff Larish wouldn't be terrible either.

Jeff Larish?!?

 

do you mean for Iowa?

[dew1679666265]

Maybe Lee just doesn't want to leave because he's been the protected boy in the Chicago media.

 

Protected how?

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe Lee just doesn't want to leave because he's been the protected boy in the Chicago media.

 

Protected how?

 

Of the disappointing players he's easily the least criticized. Every description of him is as a quiet leader. Ramirez was a lazy bum even when he was consistently producing. Fukudome is just a horrible bust. Zambrano is the "ace in name only". Lee is just Lee.

[dew1679666265]

Of the disappointing players he's easily the least criticized. Every description of him is as a quiet leader. Ramirez was a lazy bum even when he was consistently producing. Fukudome is just a horrible bust. Zambrano is the "ace in name only". Lee is just Lee.

 

He's gotten a lot of positive press, but he's also been very good for the most part in Chicago. I don't think it's so much that he's been "protected" than that he hasn't been ridiculously criticized like Kosuke, Aramis and Z.

[Clem Fandango]

Kila Ka'aihue from KC would be ideal. I'm sure Dayton Moore would like Theriot.

 

I like the way you think :-)

[bleedingblue]

Maybe Lee just doesn't want to leave because he's been the protected boy in the Chicago media.

 

Protected how?

 

Of the disappointing players he's easily the least criticized. Every description of him is as a quiet leader. Ramirez was a lazy bum even when he was consistently producing. Fukudome is just a horrible bust. Zambrano is the "ace in name only". Lee is just Lee.

 

Milton Bradley was torn to shreds last year and he was hitting pretty darn close to what Lee is this year.

 

Add on that comments about the fans booing and racist Cubs fans and he's had a huge leash here.

Edited July 29, 2010 by bleedingblue