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Some quick thoughts on Ghana:

 

-Not great finishers. They move well and find those seams and spaces between zones, but they don't have a natural finisher.

 

-Kevin Prince-Boateng is pretty damn good. Their defense is fast but they suck in transition.

 

-Not much of a bench, really. Maybe the quick turnaround hurts them.

 

I see this being a very tense affair. Extra time might be needed.

 

Who are our 5 PK takers?

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Okay, here's another fun fact.

 

In total U.S. TV viewers, USA-England in an afternoon slot beat out the first four games of the NBA Finals in primetime.

 

I believe the 2006 World Cup Final drew a bigger television audience in the States than the NBA and NHL finals that year, and ostensibly equaled the World Series and Final Four/National Championship game. A bit apples-to-oranges because of the four-year cycle, but pretty compelling stuff for the popularity of soccer.

 

So, basically, what I'm saying is this: when Frank Zappa outsells the Stones or Zeppelin, then maybe soccer is the Zappa of sports.*

 

 

 

 

*Frank Zappa is pretty damned good, heady stuff, by the way.

 

Well, Phish outdraws a lot pop stars so maybe it's the phish of sports.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Baseball is far and away the second most popular professional sport in the US. I don't see how this is a fair comparison at all -- no one is comparing soccer to baseball in popularity.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Investment in MLS is up and will continue to trend up. Advertisers see the success of SSFC and look at the attendance figures, and see a worthwhile investment.

 

MLS will never, ever command MLB TV contract numbers in our lifetime, but the league continues to grow steadily.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Hint: Maybe I wasn't referring to MLS, then?

 

 

But yes, nobody has local TV deals comparable to MLB. That's MLB's bread and butter, and soccer is nowhere near that.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Baseball is far and away the second most popular professional sport in the US. I don't see how this is a fair comparison at all -- no one is comparing soccer to baseball in popularity.

 

Someone totally was.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was under $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Baseball is far and away the second most popular professional sport in the US. I don't see how this is a fair comparison at all -- no one is comparing soccer to baseball in popularity.

 

Someone totally was.

 

I assume you mean me? I explicitly stated a qualifier that the World Cup to World Series is apples-to-oranges because of the four-year cycle. That comparison, if you must, was also soccer to baseball, not MLS to MLB. That makes a huge difference. Nevertheless, just to be clear, baseball is far and away a more popular spectator sport in the US than soccer.

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Soccer has several quality TV deals.

So I read this and had to look it up. There are MLB players who make more per year than MLS made in television revenue in 2008. Average take per team was Ounder $1 million. The national television contracts TBS and Fox have with MLB are 20 times that per year. ESPN is another 10 or so times the league total per year. How many individual teams have local television deals worth more than that? The Mariners get over $40 million a year for their local television rights, and they're maybe barely in the top 10 in the league

 

Baseball is far and away the second most popular professional sport in the US. I don't see how this is a fair comparison at all -- no one is comparing soccer to baseball in popularity.

 

Someone totally was.

 

I assume you mean me? I explicitly stated a qualifier that the World Cup to World Series is apples-to-oranges because of the four-year cycle. That comparison, if you must, was also soccer to baseball, not MLS to MLB. That makes a huge difference. Nevertheless, just to be clear, baseball is far and away a more popular spectator sport in the US than soccer.

 

Jeez, I wasn't talking about you. We got tier guy over there talking about God knows what and all you can think about is that I'm talking about you.

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Some quick thoughts on Ghana:

 

-Not great finishers. They move well and find those seams and spaces between zones, but they don't have a natural finisher.

 

-Kevin Prince-Boateng is pretty damn good. Their defense is fast but they suck in transition.

 

-Not much of a bench, really. Maybe the quick turnaround hurts them.

 

I see this being a very tense affair. Extra time might be needed.

 

Who are our 5 PK takers?

 

Agreed on all fronts.

 

PK takers (not necessarily in order):

1. Donovan

2. Dempsey

3. Bradley

4. Holden

5. Cherundolo

 

I recollect that Clint isn't great at PK's, but I'm sure they know already.

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Just rewatching the match, what did Yahia do to get that second yellow? From what I can tell, he did nothing at all.

 

team captains get a yellow for team misconduct.

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I'm not really a soccer fan but the World Cup is special enough to get me to watch the games and at least feel like I care. I lost my job right before the 2006 World Cup started so I ended up watching a lot of those games and I found I could get into World Cup games. Every 4 years is about right in terms of caring about soccer. At least for me it is. :good:

 

Besides the World Cup the only other time I really follow soccer at all is if IU is in the college Final Four. Which they haven't been there lately but when I went to school we got there quite a bit and yeah I'd watch and get a little pumped about it. Just a little.

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Yes, that soccer's popularity has increased from four years ago. The US television rights to this World Cup went for $425 million, compared to $40 million for 2002 only after the MLS paid so the games weren't only on Spanish language channels (sorry, haven't found 2006 numbers). US, our poster, talked about the increase in MLS attendance. The send-away game for the US drew 55,000 fans (wish I could find the same number for 2006, I'm certain it would be much less). As a nation we purchased more tickets for this World Cup than any country besides South Africa. The Champions League final was televised on broadcast television (Fox) on Saturday afternoon -- bumping the Yankees-Mets game (though the ratings were disappointing -- club soccer has a long way to go here). In 2004, you had to pay-per-view to watch the Euros, in 2008 every game was on ESPN/ABC. The popularity of the sport has empirically increased, and I don't think it's my rose-colored glasses that feels the increase is palpable too.

 

24,646 against Latvia on May 28

29,745 against Venezuela on May 26

26,141 against Morocco on May 23

 

I included all three because I figured it was a sendoff tour of sorts.

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Just rewatching the match, what did Yahia do to get that second yellow? From what I can tell, he did nothing at all.

 

team captains get a yellow for team misconduct.

 

He was the one who whacked Dempsey in the face about 10 minutes earlier so he had the red coming.

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