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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

Remember when Bruce Levine convinced fans to write racist letters to Bradley?

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

Remember when Bruce Levine convinced fans to write racist letters to Bradley?

 

No, because that didn't happen.

 

SSR's post, however, was accurate.

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

That's true (and kind was too strong of a word on my part). However, they still didn't go through his past. Can you imagine if someone had wrote an article just detailing every thing Bradley's been involved in during the last 7-8 years? Most of Chicago would have hated him from day one especially if they played up the possible domestic violence calls. And yet as far as I know an article like that never came out.

 

There were plenty of ways to use Bradley's history to do hatchet jobs on him while having a thin layer of fact to go along with it. That would have been an easy thing to do if the job was truly to bury him. Why would they bypass golden opportunities like that?

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

Remember when Bruce Levine convinced fans to write racist letters to Bradley?

 

No, because that didn't happen.

 

SSR's post, however, was accurate.

 

I gotta work on making my sarcasm more obvious. My bad.

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

That's true (and kind was too strong of a word on my part). However, they still didn't go through his past. Can you imagine if someone had wrote an article just detailing every thing Bradley's been involved in during the last 7-8 years? Most of Chicago would have hated him from day one especially if they played up the possible domestic violence calls. And yet as far as I know an article like that never came out.

 

Why are you making it sound like Bradley had this secret past that needed to be exposed by a writer for people to know about it?

 

Everybody knew/knows about Bradley's past and what he's gotten into. Everyone knows about the bottle incident at Dodger Stadium. Everybody knows about the injury with Bud Black. Everybody knows about him going up to the press box.

 

It probably wasn't written about because everybody was already very familiar with his past.

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

Remember when Bruce Levine convinced fans to write racist letters to Bradley?

 

No, because that didn't happen.

 

SSR's post, however, was accurate.

 

I gotta work on making my sarcasm more obvious. My bad.

 

No, I knew it was sarcasm. It just didn't really make sense to me. It sounded like you were trying to imply that SSR was just saying things that weren't necessarily true to make Bradley look better.

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Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

Remember when Bruce Levine convinced fans to write racist letters to Bradley?

 

No, because that didn't happen.

 

SSR's post, however, was accurate.

 

I gotta work on making my sarcasm more obvious. My bad.

 

No, I knew it was sarcasm. It just didn't really make sense to me. It sounded like you were trying to imply that SSR was just saying things that weren't necessarily true to make Bradley look better.

 

No sorry I was just being random. In retrospect, I can see why it really didn't fit there. I guess my point was, although the media had something to do with how Bradley/Chicago turned out, there were other factors at play.

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No, because that didn't happen.

 

SSR's post, however, was accurate.

 

I gotta work on making my sarcasm more obvious. My bad.

 

No, I knew it was sarcasm. It just didn't really make sense to me. It sounded like you were trying to imply that SSR was just saying things that weren't necessarily true to make Bradley look better.

 

No sorry I was just being random. In retrospect, I can see why it really didn't fit there. I guess my point was, although the media had something to do with how Bradley/Chicago turned out, there were other factors at play.

 

Well of course. Bradley is as much to blame as anyone. I just think the "I don't think the media was unfair to anybody" quote from Lou (and backed by Miles) was completely false.

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I'm fairly willing to bet that every single black person who has ever played for the Cubs - for that matter, for any sports team in history - has gotten racist mail from some people. It's the unfortunate reality of the world. Except for whiny Cubs right fielders (Bradley and Jones), funnily enough, no one has made an issue of it.
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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

That's true (and kind was too strong of a word on my part). However, they still didn't go through his past. Can you imagine if someone had wrote an article just detailing every thing Bradley's been involved in during the last 7-8 years? Most of Chicago would have hated him from day one especially if they played up the possible domestic violence calls. And yet as far as I know an article like that never came out.

 

Why are you making it sound like Bradley had this secret past that needed to be exposed by a writer for people to know about it?

 

Everybody knew/knows about Bradley's past and what he's gotten into. Everyone knows about the bottle incident at Dodger Stadium. Everybody knows about the injury with Bud Black. Everybody knows about him going up to the press box.

 

It probably wasn't written about because everybody was already very familiar with his past.

 

Because most people don't follow other baseball teams that closely. They might remember Bradley's name associated with poor behavior and some of them might remember 1-2 of the more publicized incidents (and you probably mentioned the 3 most famous ones) but the most famous ones are not the most incriminating ones.

 

The most famous incidents show that Bradley has a temper. People are willing to give a guy with a temper second chances. Even the use of crazy person is likely to be interpreted by people as referring to his temper because that's what they know about him. What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Don't get me wrong. The media could have left him alone and things might have gone a little differently last year. However, they really weren't that bad overall. When Bradley came to Chicago, I expected they would be a lot worse and that he'd have to win over the people who couldn't stand him in the beginning. That didn't happen which is why Bradley was well on his way to being liked in the city even after his long slump.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

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I'm fairly willing to bet that every single black person who has ever played for the Cubs - for that matter, for any sports team in history - has gotten racist mail from some people. It's the unfortunate reality of the world. Except for whiny Cubs right fielders (Bradley and Jones), funnily enough, no one has made an issue of it.

 

Though anyone who legitimately did would be justified, and there'd be nothing whiny about it.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

 

Yes, but the media could have spun some of the details of the Jeff Kent-Bradley feud in 05 to make Bradley look pretty bad. Was that mostly Bradley's fault? Probably not, but the media could have made it out to be and many people would have bought it.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

 

Yes, but the media could have spun some of the details of the Jeff Kent-Bradley feud in 05 to make Bradley look pretty bad. Was that mostly Bradley's fault? Probably not, but the media could have made it out to be and many people would have bought it.

 

I'm not going to commend the media for choosing to be 90% douchey towards Bradley instead of 100% douchey.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

 

Yes, but the media could have spun some of the details of the Jeff Kent-Bradley feud in 05 to make Bradley look pretty bad. Was that mostly Bradley's fault? Probably not, but the media could have made it out to be and many people would have bought it.

 

I don't know if that woulda flown. Everybody hates Jeff Kent.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

Link to this? All I've heard was that Kinsler, Hamilton, Young, etc. would have led a mutiny if Bradley came back to Texas last year.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

Link to this? All I've heard was that Kinsler, Hamilton, Young, etc. would have led a mutiny if Bradley came back to Texas last year.

 

Really? I thought I remembered reading that Bradley was a good teammate on the Rangers. I've read that in the past Bradley was generally liked in the clubhouse, but I don't think he was overly loved either.

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What if the media had tried to paint him as a possible abuser whose clubhouse antics already divided and brought down one team and who fought with managers? People are a lot less likely to forgive things like that.

 

Before last season, didn't pretty much everyone always say that Bradley was a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse?

Link to this? All I've heard was that Kinsler, Hamilton, Young, etc. would have led a mutiny if Bradley came back to Texas last year.

 

Link to this?

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

But he is a crazy person.

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i've been really disappointed in bruce miles' ability to be above all of this bradley stuff. i really expected more of him.

 

I don't how Bruce gets drug into this. According the reports, Bradley accused the media of running him out of town, and Bruce commented back to him that it wasn't the case. It happens all of the time in reporting. The reporters were trying to give him a chance to explain his comments and Bradley walked away. (probably the best thing for all people involved).

 

I think its ridiculous to expect that Bruce is completely immune to Bradley's or other players shenanigans.

 

If anything, having read Bruce for years, including his columns, blogs, and posts, shouldn't we be giving Bruce the benefit of the doubt on this one? In my opinion a player must really be a prick to have Bruce writing negative comments about anything other than their performance on the field.

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

But he is a crazy person.

 

That has nothing to do with what CCP was talking about?

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I actually thought it was pretty kind of the media to not bring up the details of many of his past transgressions.

 

Like when Paul Sullivan went on a spring training broadcast and called him a crazy person.

 

But he is a crazy person.

 

That has nothing to do with what CCP was talking about?

 

I'm Ron Burgundy?

 

Bradley is a complete ass. Referring to him as a crazy person instead of actually describing the details of how much of an ass he is is actually sugarcoating it for the audience, which allows people like you to pretend he's just a misunderstood genius. I think that was kind of nice of Sullivan.

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