Re: Theriot should be shopped

[soapy]

I still don't know what Theriot said about Bradley.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd love to see Theriot get traded to Seattle.

 

As a team that is aggressively pushing the defense first mentality, I can't see that happening. Whether he's bad, weak, average or above average, it's safe to say he's not good.

 

If they're looking to trade Jose Lopez, they could acquire Theriot and move him to second - where he'd be pretty good defensively.

 

In theory he'd be better, but he hasn't played much 2nd for years, still has no range and the arm would be an issue when turning double plays. I'd prefer to move him there yesterday, but there's no gaurantee he'd be a plus defender there.

[UK1679666180]

There's nothing wrong with shopping him at this point although I question whether or not they'd get as much in return as much as they value him.

 

The teams that are tools oriented are going to see no real plus tool. He has good bat control, good hands, and decent baseball speed but none of them really stand out to go along with his below avg. power and arm strength.

 

The teams that are more stats inclined will look at it the same with regards to his lack of power, decent OBP, fair defensively, & how much the Cubs likely value him and likely decide that he is not worth negotiating with the Cubs on.

[dew1679666265]

I'd love to see Theriot get traded to Seattle.

 

As a team that is aggressively pushing the defense first mentality, I can't see that happening. Whether he's bad, weak, average or above average, it's safe to say he's not good.

 

If they're looking to trade Jose Lopez, they could acquire Theriot and move him to second - where he'd be pretty good defensively.

 

In theory he'd be better, but he hasn't played much 2nd for years, still has no range and the arm would be an issue when turning double plays. I'd prefer to move him there yesterday, but there's no gaurantee he'd be a plus defender there.

 

Plus defender? Maybe not, but certainly by no means a liability (which I'm not certain he is at SS now). The arm would only come into play on the tough DPs and when trying to double up fast runners. You need far less range to play 2nd than SS, so I don't think lack of range would be much of an issue at all for him at second.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I still don't know what Theriot said about Bradley.

 

me neither. i've been trying to find the story, but haven't had any luck yet.

[Guest]

I'd love to see Theriot get traded to Seattle.

 

As a team that is aggressively pushing the defense first mentality, I can't see that happening. Whether he's bad, weak, average or above average, it's safe to say he's not good.

 

If they're looking to trade Jose Lopez, they could acquire Theriot and move him to second - where he'd be pretty good defensively.

 

In theory he'd be better, but he hasn't played much 2nd for years, still has no range and the arm would be an issue when turning double plays. I'd prefer to move him there yesterday, but there's no gaurantee he'd be a plus defender there.

 

Plus defender? Maybe not, but certainly by no means a liability (which I'm not certain he is at SS now). The arm would only come into play on the tough DPs and when trying to double up fast runners. You need far less range to play 2nd than SS, so I don't think lack of range would be much of an issue at all for him at second.

 

That's not true. A 2b actually has more ground to cover than a SS. It's just not as important since less balls find that side of the field.

[dew1679666265]

That's not true. A 2b actually has more ground to cover than a SS. It's just not as important since less balls find that side of the field.

 

Good point. Lack of range is still not as significant at second. Theriot wouldn't all of a sudden become a great asset if he was moved to second, but he'd be more of an asset than he is at SS.

[Bruno7481]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

[Guest]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

 

I think the point of the discussion is that if someone is going to act as the team spokesman, please be someone really good, like Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez. That's way better than someone who only has the job because the team doesn't have someone better to play that position.

[A-Cal]

http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/12/18/r_vfsdadm8qxe_7akfw2nviq/index.xml

 

I found that last night. He threw him under the bus a little, but still we are outsiders looking in. Maybe Bradley always called Theriot "Whitey". ?

 

:scratch:

[Tim M]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

 

I think the point of the discussion is that if someone is going to act as the team spokesman, please be someone really good, like Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez. That's way better than someone who only has the job because the team doesn't have someone better to play that position.

 

He was asked a question. I'm the glad he didn't give some BS politically correct answer. He said Milton was a difficult guy to get along with, which is hardly shocking. This criticism of Theriot is a bunch of crap.

[Bruno7481]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

 

I think the point of the discussion is that if someone is going to act as the team spokesman, please be someone really good, like Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez. That's way better than someone who only has the job because the team doesn't have someone better to play that position.

 

I see your side of it, but I guess I don't think Theriot is intentionally putting himself out there to bash Bradley. He was asked about it and gave his opinion on the situation. I'd figure any Cub being interviewed would get the same question. Now, if Theriot was the one bringing the subject up in interviews, that would be a different story, but you have to know the question is going to be asked, and not just to him.

 

I understand the concerns about Theriot no longer being a "cheap" source of production, but I still think the difference between him and a guy like Blanco (offensively speaking) is still a rather large gap that shouldn't be discarded without any other lineup improvements.

[jersey cubs fan]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

 

I think the point of the discussion is that if someone is going to act as the team spokesman, please be someone really good, like Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez. That's way better than someone who only has the job because the team doesn't have someone better to play that position.

 

I see your side of it, but I guess I don't think Theriot is intentionally putting himself out there to bash Bradley. He was asked about it and gave his opinion on the situation. I'd figure any Cub being interviewed would get the same question. Now, if Theriot was the one bringing the subject up in interviews, that would be a different story, but you have to know the question is going to be asked, and not just to him.

 

I understand the concerns about Theriot no longer being a "cheap" source of production, but I still think the difference between him and a guy like Blanco (offensively speaking) is still a rather large gap that shouldn't be discarded without any other lineup improvements.

 

It bothers me that a guy that can do no wrong in the eyes of 95% of the public was repeatedly critical of a guy who could do no right in the eyes of 99% of the public. Theriot should be on his knees thankful for the love he gets and shut up about his teammates, and it doesn't help when a teammate willingly calls out a player that is likely to be traded.

[CUBZ99]

As far as Theriot's comments on Bradley, what did he say that was so damning? Wouldn't he know better than anyone else what the situation was like with Bradley? I think if this was a situation where the Cubs were actually entertaining the thought of bringing Bradley back, Theriot wouldn't have said anything. But it has been clear to anyone that he was gone since the end of the 09 season. If Theriot was asked his opinion on bradley he probably felt pretty safe giving it since he was going to be gone regardless.

 

I think the point of the discussion is that if someone is going to act as the team spokesman, please be someone really good, like Derrek Lee or Aramis Ramirez. That's way better than someone who only has the job because the team doesn't have someone better to play that position.

 

I see your side of it, but I guess I don't think Theriot is intentionally putting himself out there to bash Bradley. He was asked about it and gave his opinion on the situation. I'd figure any Cub being interviewed would get the same question. Now, if Theriot was the one bringing the subject up in interviews, that would be a different story, but you have to know the question is going to be asked, and not just to him.

 

I understand the concerns about Theriot no longer being a "cheap" source of production, but I still think the difference between him and a guy like Blanco (offensively speaking) is still a rather large gap that shouldn't be discarded without any other lineup improvements.

 

It bothers me that a guy that can do no wrong in the eyes of 95% of the public was repeatedly critical of a guy who could do no right in the eyes of 99% of the public. Theriot should be on his knees thankful for the love he gets and shut up about his teammates, and it doesn't help when a teammate willingly calls out a player that is likely to be traded.

 

I'm sure he could have said he didn't want to talk about the Bradley issue, but the quotes in the article are pretty tame and nothing that hasn't been said about Bradley through the media anyways.

[Guest]

Unless you are good enough to sign no trade contracts, you might want to be careful what you say about someone who could very easily be your teammate again within just a few short years.

 

The guy who says no comment is the classier guy.

[Bruno7481]

Unless you are good enough to sign no trade contracts, you might want to be careful what you say about someone who could very easily be your teammate again within just a few short years.

 

The guy who says no comment is the classier guy.

 

Why are we acting like Theriot verbally raped Milton, his kids, wife, and mother? I don't see his comments as being that awful.

 

(unless there is more to it that I haven't seen, which is very possible)

[jersey cubs fan]

Unless you are good enough to sign no trade contracts, you might want to be careful what you say about someone who could very easily be your teammate again within just a few short years.

 

The guy who says no comment is the classier guy.

 

Why are we acting like Theriot verbally raped Milton, his kids, wife, and mother? I don't see his comments as being that awful.

 

(unless there is more to it that I haven't seen, which is very possible)

 

I'm not sure what comments you are referring to, but Theriot was the centerpiece of the teammates who were quoted all over the place about Milton. Dempster said some things, but also said something about welcoming him back which sounded like BS but served its purpose. I think Ramirez had the classiest response, acknowledging that Milton had issues but more importantly stating it was meaningless and had no effect on the season. Some of these guys sounded more than willing to feed into the nonsense that Milton's attitude somehow contributed to the team struggling.

[Bruno7481]

Unless you are good enough to sign no trade contracts, you might want to be careful what you say about someone who could very easily be your teammate again within just a few short years.

 

The guy who says no comment is the classier guy.

 

Why are we acting like Theriot verbally raped Milton, his kids, wife, and mother? I don't see his comments as being that awful.

 

(unless there is more to it that I haven't seen, which is very possible)

 

I'm not sure what comments you are referring to, but Theriot was the centerpiece of the teammates who were quoted all over the place about Milton. Dempster said some things, but also said something about welcoming him back which sounded like BS but served its purpose. I think Ramirez had the classiest response, acknowledging that Milton had issues but more importantly stating it was meaningless and had no effect on the season. Some of these guys sounded more than willing to feed into the nonsense that Milton's attitude somehow contributed to the team struggling.

 

I was just referring to the quotes from the story linked above.

 

I guess the larger point is that I don't think it matters one bit what Theriot thought of, or said about MB, when it comes to evaluating his place on the ballclub.

[jersey cubs fan]

Unless you are good enough to sign no trade contracts, you might want to be careful what you say about someone who could very easily be your teammate again within just a few short years.

 

The guy who says no comment is the classier guy.

 

Why are we acting like Theriot verbally raped Milton, his kids, wife, and mother? I don't see his comments as being that awful.

 

(unless there is more to it that I haven't seen, which is very possible)

 

I'm not sure what comments you are referring to, but Theriot was the centerpiece of the teammates who were quoted all over the place about Milton. Dempster said some things, but also said something about welcoming him back which sounded like BS but served its purpose. I think Ramirez had the classiest response, acknowledging that Milton had issues but more importantly stating it was meaningless and had no effect on the season. Some of these guys sounded more than willing to feed into the nonsense that Milton's attitude somehow contributed to the team struggling.

 

I was just referring to the quotes from the story linked above.

 

I guess the larger point is that I don't think it matters one bit what Theriot thought of, or said about MB, when it comes to evaluating his place on the ballclub.

 

In the grand scheme of things, no it doesn't.

[soapy]

It also shouldn't matter what Bradley thinks/says either, but for some reason it did.

[flyseye]

Article

 

You should have left the Bradley part out. It taints everything else you wrote by making it appear it was the only reason you wrote the article in the first place.

 

It's actually very relevant to the discussion. A lot of people wanted Bradley run out of town because of his character (or lack thereof). Why shouldn't Theriot's character come into question for the way he handled the situation?

 

I thought the article was supposed to be about valid reasons for Theriot being traded, but I guess it is simply sour grapes.

[jersey cubs fan]

Article

 

You should have left the Bradley part out. It taints everything else you wrote by making it appear it was the only reason you wrote the article in the first place.

 

It's actually very relevant to the discussion. A lot of people wanted Bradley run out of town because of his character (or lack thereof). Why shouldn't Theriot's character come into question for the way he handled the situation?

 

I thought the article was supposed to be about valid reasons for Theriot being traded, but I guess it is simply sour grapes.

 

As misguided as it would be to demand trading Theriot because of his response to the Bradley situation (and I don't think anybody has done that), it's equally foolish to dismiss calls to trade him because of some assumed misguided reasoning.

[flyseye]

If you want to write an article about why Theriot should be traded, stick to the facts.

 

If you want to write an article venting about how you "used to Like Ryan Theriot ", then write that.

 

Don't attempt to hide the latter under the guise of the former.

 

Simply my opinions.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you want to write an article about why Theriot should be traded, stick to the facts.

 

If you want to write an article venting about how you "used to Like Ryan Theriot ", then write that.

 

Don't attempt to hide the latter under the guise of the former.

 

Simply my opinions.

 

I think it's fairly common practice to write articles based on mostly factual data peppered with the occasional subjective anecdote. I really don't see the problem with it. If that was the main point of the article I'd agree. But I read it as symbolic of the "Theriot was a nice young cheap player who filled a role for a couple years, but his value is evolving and should be traded sooner rather than later."

[Guest]

If you want to write an article about why Theriot should be traded, stick to the facts.

 

If you want to write an article venting about how you "used to Like Ryan Theriot ", then write that.

 

Don't attempt to hide the latter under the guise of the former.

 

Simply my opinions.

Is that really all you got out of the article?

 

Really?