Yanks Inquire about Zambrano

[Benchwarmer]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

[rocket]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

nuts to that. they should throw in hughes, cabrera, and what the hell, a-rod too

[inari]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

I'll ignore the second part since it's stupid and has been proven wrong by plenty of posters in the other thread, not to mention common sense.

 

If not Cano, what "banjo-hitting" 2B were you referring to?

[shnsajax]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Nolan Ryan

[SouthSideRyan]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

I don't know why I bother after you ignored everything the last time you brought this [expletive] up.

 

Ted Lyons averaged 12.3 wins per season and is in the hall of fame.

 

Chief Bender averagesd 13.25.

 

Jim Bunning averaged 13.17

 

Steve Carlton averaged 13.7

 

Nolan Ryan averaged 12.

 

Phil Niekro averaged 13.25

 

Early Wynn averaged 13.04

 

Red Ruffing averaged 12.41

 

Eppa Rixey averaged 12.66

 

Red Faber averaged 12.7

 

Herb Pennock averaged 10.91

 

Waite Hoyt averaged 11.29

 

Clark Griffith averaged 11.29

 

Jesse Haines averaged 11.05

 

Hal Newhouser averaged 12.18

 

Rube Marquard averaged 11.17

 

Dazzy Vance averaged 12.3

 

Ed Walsh averaged 13.93

 

John Ward averaged 9.65

 

Sandy Koufax averaged 13.75

[inari]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

I don't know why I bother after you ignored everything the last time you brought this [expletive] up.

 

Ted Lyons averaged 12.3 wins per season and is in the hall of fame.

 

Chief Bender averagesd 13.25.

 

Jim Bunning averaged 13.17

 

Steve Carlton averaged 13.7

 

Nolan Ryan averaged 12.

 

Phil Niekro averaged 13.25

 

Early Wynn averaged 13.04

 

Red Ruffing averaged 12.41

 

Eppa Rixey averaged 12.66

 

Red Faber averaged 12.7

 

Herb Pennock averaged 10.91

 

Waite Hoyt averaged 11.29

 

Clark Griffith averaged 11.29

 

Jesse Haines averaged 11.05

 

Hal Newhouser averaged 12.18

 

Rube Marquard averaged 11.17

 

Dazzy Vance averaged 12.3

 

Ed Walsh averaged 13.93

 

John Ward averaged 9.65

 

Sandy Koufax averaged 13.75

 

Odds that this is argued against in any way - 0%

Odds that you changed his mind - 0%

[SouthSideRyan]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

I don't know why I bother after you ignored everything the last time you brought this [expletive] up.

 

Ted Lyons averaged 12.3 wins per season and is in the hall of fame.

 

Chief Bender averagesd 13.25.

 

Jim Bunning averaged 13.17

 

Steve Carlton averaged 13.7

 

Nolan Ryan averaged 12.

 

Phil Niekro averaged 13.25

 

Early Wynn averaged 13.04

 

Red Ruffing averaged 12.41

 

Eppa Rixey averaged 12.66

 

Red Faber averaged 12.7

 

Herb Pennock averaged 10.91

 

Waite Hoyt averaged 11.29

 

Clark Griffith averaged 11.29

 

Jesse Haines averaged 11.05

 

Hal Newhouser averaged 12.18

 

Rube Marquard averaged 11.17

 

Dazzy Vance averaged 12.3

 

Ed Walsh averaged 13.93

 

John Ward averaged 9.65

 

Sandy Koufax averaged 13.75

 

Odds that this is argued against in any way - 0%

Odds that you changed his mind - 0%

 

At least I wasted a good half hour of company time.

[ScrubMD]

 

Odds that this is argued against in any way - 0%

Odds that you changed his mind - 0%

 

C.C. Sabathia got 19 wins last season. Your move, hot shot.

[inari]

 

Odds that this is argued against in any way - 0%

Odds that you changed his mind - 0%

 

C.C. Sabathia got 19 wins last season. Your move, hot shot.

 

I'm... confused.

[UMFan83]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

I don't know why I bother after you ignored everything the last time you brought this [expletive] up.

 

Ted Lyons averaged 12.3 wins per season and is in the hall of fame.

 

Chief Bender averagesd 13.25.

 

Jim Bunning averaged 13.17

 

Steve Carlton averaged 13.7

 

Nolan Ryan averaged 12.

 

Phil Niekro averaged 13.25

 

Early Wynn averaged 13.04

 

Red Ruffing averaged 12.41

 

Eppa Rixey averaged 12.66

 

Red Faber averaged 12.7

 

Herb Pennock averaged 10.91

 

Waite Hoyt averaged 11.29

 

Clark Griffith averaged 11.29

 

Jesse Haines averaged 11.05

 

Hal Newhouser averaged 12.18

 

Rube Marquard averaged 11.17

 

Dazzy Vance averaged 12.3

 

Ed Walsh averaged 13.93

 

John Ward averaged 9.65

 

Sandy Koufax averaged 13.75

 

Owned.

[DonnieD]

I think there is zero chance that Mauer leaves MN as long as they offer him a contract that is remotely competetive. I don't think he'd leave even if say the Yankees offered him a crazy ARod contract. If the Twins come in close to everyone else, say 7 years $120 mil for arguments sake, and the Yankees offer 10 years 250 mil, I bet he would still stay in MN. The Cubs have no chance to sign him at all in my opinion.

[Rob]

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

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benchwarmer perhaps you should sit this one out

[Benchwarmer]

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

 

Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding.

[Backtobanks]

I think there is zero chance that Mauer leaves MN as long as they offer him a contract that is remotely competetive. I don't think he'd leave even if say the Yankees offered him a crazy ARod contract. If the Twins come in close to everyone else, say 7 years $120 mil for arguments sake, and the Yankees offer 10 years 250 mil, I bet he would still stay in MN. The Cubs have no chance to sign him at all in my opinion.

 

Your example isn't "remotely competitive". I don't care how much Mauer loves MN, leaving $130 million on the table would be insane.

[Benchwarmer]

benchwarmer perhaps you should sit this one out

 

Nah Dext, think I'll be here. Just like the demise of Rita, anxious to see how the next episode turns out.

[haubrich91]

You think Robinson Cano is a bad hitter and wins are the most important statistic for a pitcher. Come on.

 

Cano isn't a bad hitter and I think he'd make a great Cub. How about Z for Cano and 2 of the Yanks best minor league OF?

 

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

So if a pitcher allows 10 runs in a game, but his offense is good enough to score 11 and he gets the win, he's a good pitcher? That makes a lot of sense. You should go work at ESPN.

[Cubswin11]

This is going to be fun :old_givebeer:

[inari]

Are you [expletive] serious, BW? have whatever stupid [expletive] baseball opinions you want but don't [expletive] ruin dexter. That season JUST ended and I am halfway through it. Jesus Christ, thanks a lot. The spoiler warning is there for a reason!

 

Jesus Christ I am horribly pissed.

 

And your ridiculous opinion on wins was proven wrong with the post you ignored. Jesus Christ.

[USSoccer]

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

 

Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding.

 

K/9

WHIP

ERA+

RBI

cERA

+/-

Purple

Actim Index

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YPC

ACV

[Guest]

Benchwarmer IP = SBC in stl, mo

[UMFan83]

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

 

Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding.

 

Come on man. Let's say Pitcher A has a 12.47 ERA and a 23.68 WHIP and averaging 300 innings per year over his last 3 years, and Pitcher B has a 1.21 ERA and a 0.43 WHIP and also averaging 300 innings per year over his last 3 years. However, Pitcher A plays for Team A, whose offense produces 25 runs per game, and Pitcher B plays for Team B who averages 0.43 runs per game. Because of this, Pitcher A went 19-1, 18-2, 24-1 over his last 3 years, while Pitcher B has had records of 4-20, 6-16, and 1-23 over his last 3 years.

 

Both Pitcher A and Pitcher B are free agents this offseason. Team C is looking at both. Their offense averages 5.24 runs per game, they are a midsized team who cannot afford to make the incorrect decision between the 2 pitchers. Who should Team C choose?

 

You will argue that this is an exaggerated example because no team scores 25 runs a game or as little as 0.43 runs per game. But your argument is that wins are the most important stat to judge a pitcher by so it doesn't matter because Pitcher A dominates that category. Case closed.

 

Unfortunately Team C chooses Pitcher A, and their GM benchwarmer is fired one season later.

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Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

 

Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding.

 

what disability do you have?

[UMFan83]

Benchwarmer IP = SBC in stl, mo

 

So basically he's a Cardinals fan that thinks its funny to rile up Cubs fans for no reason?

 

Phew, at least that means he doesn't actually believe what he's writing. I'm relieved.

[Cubswin11]

Wins continue to be the best statistic for measuring the success of a starting pitcher. Still waiting for any proof that the really great starting pitchers average less than 14 wins for their career. You obviously don't have an answer.

 

Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time.

 

Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding.

 

what disability do you have?

ESPNitis