Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

Apparently the Score is saying it's Jamar Williams.

 

okay, now it won't be good to have him back. jamar williams is a star waiting to happen.

 

LB is deep and the safeties are bad. Harris/Wright should be a huge upgrade over the MASH unit that was back there last year.

 

true, i just hate giving up a good young player while the others at the position are aging.

[Banedon]

Apparently the Score is saying it's Jamar Williams.

 

okay, now it won't be good to have him back. jamar williams is a star waiting to happen.

 

LB is deep and the safeties are bad. Harris/Wright should be a huge upgrade over the MASH unit that was back there last year.

 

true, i just hate giving up a good young player while the others at the position are aging.

 

Angelo and Lovie are much more interested in the present than the future at this point.

[SpongeWorthy]

I'm reading a (surprisingly active) Panthers message board and apparently Harris was mouthing off on Twitter about management cutting Brad Hoover. They also picked up some other DBs recently.

 

The good news is that the general consensus seems to be that they're trading a player who was very good for them and they're praying the replacements are adequate.

[Banedon]

The good news is that the general consensus seems to be that they're trading a player who was very good for them and they're praying the replacements are adequate.

 

Sounds a lot like us when he was traded to Carolina in the first place.

[Keener98]

Apparently the Score is saying it's Jamar Williams.

 

okay, now it won't be good to have him back. jamar williams is a star waiting to happen.

 

LB is deep and the safeties are bad. Harris/Wright should be a huge upgrade over the MASH unit that was back there last year.

 

true, i just hate giving up a good young player while the others at the position are aging.

 

They are aging, but if there has been one position that Angelo/Lovie have been able to draft really well, its the linebacker position. Im glad to have Harris back, he will definitely help the D more than Jamar. Love the 12 forced fumbles in the last 3 years Harris brings

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I like this move for the Bears. I never really understood why they traded him in the first place.

[Wilson A2000]

This is a very good move. The Bears still have an adequate backup with Hillenmeyer. Harris was traded because he showed nothing with the Bears. No one I can think of hated the trade. Then he got good in Carolina and destroyed the Bears when he played them. But aren't Harris and Wright both tackling safeties and not cover safeties?

 

How much is this going to cost? Yesterday Jerry said there is only a little money left, so Faneca might be out of reach.

Edited April 27, 2010 by Wilson A2000

[SpongeWorthy]

I think you're thinking of Brandon McGowan.

 

Harris started on the 05 and 06 teams and was pretty productive.

[Wilson A2000]

Wel I remember him getting traded or released in camp because there was a glut of safeties and Harris showed the least. Leave it to another team to develop Harris. The Bears also fired their director of college scouting and brought in the Seattle guy that most people hate.

[RedFlash]

The only holdup to the deal is that Harris and the Bears are reworking his contract.

[Banedon]

Harris was traded because he showed nothing with the Bears. No one I can think of hated the trade. Then he got good in Carolina and destroyed the Bears when he played them.

 

Really? Harris was a quality (though not great by any means) safety for the Bears during the Super Bowl season. When he was traded, people didn't hate it because we still trusted Lovie at that point, and were kind of rolling with the Adam Archuleta idea. It was pretty clearly a mistake in hindsight.

[Banedon]

Last Wednesday, Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said when the time was right, he would speak on changes in his front office. He made the second major one this season when college scouting director Greg Gabriel was informed Tuesday that he will not be retained, according to a league source.

[David]

Harris was traded because he showed nothing with the Bears. No one I can think of hated the trade. Then he got good in Carolina and destroyed the Bears when he played them.

 

Really? Harris was a quality (though not great by any means) safety for the Bears during the Super Bowl season. When he was traded, people didn't hate it because we still trusted Lovie at that point, and were kind of rolling with the Adam Archuleta idea. It was pretty clearly a mistake in hindsight.

 

 

Pretty much. It's really selling him short to say that he showed nothing.

[Soul]

Yeah, Harris was decent. He seemed to show more with Carolina too.

 

At the time we operated under the delusion that Archuleta was a good fit for Lovie's D, and that his problems with Washington were because he went to a system that didn't fit him.

 

That was clearly wrong, in hindsight.......as was the release of Harris. I understand what Lovie & Angelo were trying to do, but it was clearly a miss.

[UMFan83]

Harris was traded because he showed nothing with the Bears. No one I can think of hated the trade. Then he got good in Carolina and destroyed the Bears when he played them.

 

Really? Harris was a quality (though not great by any means) safety for the Bears during the Super Bowl season. When he was traded, people didn't hate it because we still trusted Lovie at that point, and were kind of rolling with the Adam Archuleta idea. It was pretty clearly a mistake in hindsight.

 

 

Pretty much. It's really selling him short to say that he showed nothing.

 

Yeah seriously, that was a weird comment. I was a bit disapointed that they chose Harris as the odd man out, and thought he was fairly productive for us. And then he went to Carolina and got the reputation as a ball hawk. He wasn't a star, but he would have helped the last 3 editions of the Chicago Bears, that's for sure.

[Magnetic Curses]

Harris was traded because he showed nothing with the Bears. No one I can think of hated the trade. Then he got good in Carolina and destroyed the Bears when he played them.

 

Really? Harris was a quality (though not great by any means) safety for the Bears during the Super Bowl season. When he was traded, people didn't hate it because we still trusted Lovie at that point, and were kind of rolling with the Adam Archuleta idea. It was pretty clearly a mistake in hindsight.

 

 

Pretty much. It's really selling him short to say that he showed nothing.

 

he wasn't great in 06 but he was pretty good in 05.

[Banedon]

Harris, who is signed through 2012, will rework his contract to make the trade work, and those particulars are holding up the announcement of the deal.

[RedFlash]

true, i just hate giving up a good young player while the others at the position are aging.

 

Jamar Williams will be 26 in June.

Chris Harris will be 28 in August.

 

Let's not pretend that the Bears are trading a good young player at a physically demanding position for a 30 something year old S. IMO, Chris Harris, at 28, still has alot of good football left in him, and we shore up a need by trading from an area of luxury. Good deal, imo.

 

Now if rotoworld is correct in that the Panthers could still acquire a pick from the Bears in this deal, then this deal becomes less favorable, imo. Harris for Williams straight up is fair for both teams, no need to add draft picks.

[rawaction]

FWIW, Chris Harris was traded to Carolina for a 5th rounder in the 2008 draft. That pick turned out to be Zachary Bowman.

[WrigleyField 22]

FWIW, Chris Harris was traded to Carolina for a 5th rounder in the 2008 draft. That pick turned out to be Zachary Bowman.

So we traded Williams for Bowman, in a roundabout way :)

 

Looking at depth now though, I see this:

 

FS-Wright, Manning

SS- Harris, Afalava, Payne (not necessarily in order, this spot is wide open)

Bullocks will struggle to make the team, and Steltz is definitely gone IMO. Whether or not Bullocks makes it depends on how deep we go at other positions, such as DL or OL.

 

At LB we have: Pisa, Urlacher, Briggs, Roach, Hillenmeyer, Shaw. Thats six, although Shaw is pretty much exclusively a special teamer. Hopefully we stay healthier at LB this year. Pisa and Urlacher missed 29 combined starts last year.

[rawaction]

FWIW, Chris Harris was traded to Carolina for a 5th rounder in the 2008 draft. That pick turned out to be Zachary Bowman.

So we traded Williams for Bowman, in a roundabout way :)

 

Looking at depth now though, I see this:

 

FS-Wright, Manning

SS- Harris, Afalava, Payne (not necessarily in order, this spot is wide open)

Bullocks will struggle to make the team, and Steltz is definitely gone IMO. Whether or not Bullocks makes it depends on how deep we go at other positions, such as DL or OL.

 

At LB we have: Pisa, Urlacher, Briggs, Roach, Hillenmeyer, Shaw. Thats six, although Shaw is pretty much exclusively a special teamer. Hopefully we stay healthier at LB this year. Pisa and Urlacher missed 29 combined starts last year.

 

I think they are trying to get Shaw on the field more because he was so good on ST. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt Mayberry make the team.

[WrigleyField 22]

FWIW, Chris Harris was traded to Carolina for a 5th rounder in the 2008 draft. That pick turned out to be Zachary Bowman.

So we traded Williams for Bowman, in a roundabout way :)

 

Looking at depth now though, I see this:

 

FS-Wright, Manning

SS- Harris, Afalava, Payne (not necessarily in order, this spot is wide open)

Bullocks will struggle to make the team, and Steltz is definitely gone IMO. Whether or not Bullocks makes it depends on how deep we go at other positions, such as DL or OL.

 

At LB we have: Pisa, Urlacher, Briggs, Roach, Hillenmeyer, Shaw. Thats six, although Shaw is pretty much exclusively a special teamer. Hopefully we stay healthier at LB this year. Pisa and Urlacher missed 29 combined starts last year.

 

I think they are trying to get Shaw on the field more because he was so good on ST. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt Mayberry make the team.

I don't know anything about Mayberry, but just from a numbers standpoint, that's a lot of LB unless someone else goes.

11 DBs

6 LB

9 DL

7 OL

4 RB

1 FB

3 TE

6 WR

2 QB

1 LS

1 P

1 K

That's 52 roster spots there, so you'd have 1 roster spot left. I could easily see another DL and OL, or a 3rd QB if we pick up a vet. Don't think we'd take 7 LB.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Kevin Payne looks like he's on the way out.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/next-move-bears-payne-could-seek-release.html

[WrigleyField 22]

Kevin Payne looks like he's on the way out.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/next-move-bears-payne-could-seek-release.html

Hmmm interesting. I'd rather keep him and let him, Afalava, and Harris battle for a starting spot, but he does look like the #3 to me at this point, so if we took Bullocks instead it wouldn't be a huge deal.

[UMFan83]

I'm trying to recall correctly. I know Chris Harris caught an interception on the Colts first possession of the SB, but was he also the guy who everyone at first blamed for the missed coverage that led to Wayne's wide open TD? Or was that Daniel Manning? As I type this out I'm thinking more and more it was Manning.