Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Wilson A2000]

Releasing Brown in an uncapped year would be stupid. They have the money. Anderson has shown that he is not a full-time DE. With Peppers and Anderson starting, you are going to be able to run all over this Bears defense. Adrian Peterson is licking his lips.

[tfarks]

They need to draft an OG with that 4th anyway. Might as well bring in a 26 year old starter. Trade brown for a 4th to replace the pick, if they are insisting on doing so.

[Tyrant]

Releasing Brown in an uncapped year would be stupid. They have the money.

 

That doesn't mean they'll spend unlimited money. Every team has a budget. If they can apply the savings from Brown to getting a safety or o-line help, it could be worth it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Releasing Brown in an uncapped year would be stupid. They have the money.

 

That doesn't mean they'll spend unlimited money. Every team has a budget. If they can apply the savings from Brown to getting a safety or o-line help, it could be worth it.

 

Not cutting him though. There isn't a $5m player out there to apply that money to. The addition of Peppers means this line has a chance of being dominant again, but the subtraction of Brown would make that less likely.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I agree, there is absolutely no value in letting Brown go. Especially not publicly. If you want to shop him fine, but leave the door open for return.

[Soul]

I agree, there is absolutely no value in letting Brown go. Especially not publicly. If you want to shop him fine, but leave the door open for return.

 

Sure helps our chances of trading him when it leaks that they might release him anyway.

[Banedon]

Brad Biggs says that as a result of getting Peppers, the Bears either had to get rid of Alex Brown or Tommie Harris.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/dumping-brown-a-bottom-line-decision-for-bears.html

[Soul]

Brad Biggs says that as a result of getting Peppers, the Bears either had to get rid of Alex Brown or Tommie Harris.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/dumping-brown-a-bottom-line-decision-for-bears.html

 

So Brown is as good as gone. Again though: I can't see a reason a team would trade something away for Brown when they know he'll be available soon for just the cash. Maybe if there were several suitors competing, none of whom wanted to get beat to the punch. But in this case, I don't see that. Brown isn't going to be a life-or-death acquisition for anyone.

[dew1679666265]

Brad Biggs says that as a result of getting Peppers, the Bears either had to get rid of Alex Brown or Tommie Harris.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/dumping-brown-a-bottom-line-decision-for-bears.html

 

So Brown is as good as gone. Again though: I can't see a reason a team would trade something away for Brown when they know he'll be available soon for just the cash. Maybe if there were several suitors competing, none of whom wanted to get beat to the punch. But in this case, I don't see that. Brown isn't going to be a life-or-death acquisition for anyone.

 

They'd trade something for the exclusive rights to the player. If he's cut, a bidding war could ensue. I could see a team being willing to trade less since they know he'll be cut (maybe a 4th-5th instead of a 3rd-4th), but not having to compete with other teams for his services can be worth a 5th rounder or so.

[dew1679666265]

If this was posted already, I'm sorry. But the Bears re-signed three players.

 

Linebacker Tim Shaw, running back Kahlil Bell and defensive tackle Matt Toeaina were exclusive rights free agents.

[Banedon]

Brad Biggs says that as a result of getting Peppers, the Bears either had to get rid of Alex Brown or Tommie Harris.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/dumping-brown-a-bottom-line-decision-for-bears.html

 

So Brown is as good as gone. Again though: I can't see a reason a team would trade something away for Brown when they know he'll be available soon for just the cash. Maybe if there were several suitors competing, none of whom wanted to get beat to the punch. But in this case, I don't see that. Brown isn't going to be a life-or-death acquisition for anyone.

 

I imagine they figured they would have to release him, but they probably really like Brown, and they realize that if they release him, he's going to be signing for less money elsewhere...so they're trying to do right by him by at least attempting to trade him, so he can keep that salary.

 

Maybe if they release him they could re-sign him for less money?

[jersey cubs fan]

If they release him, he could easily make more in an uncapped offseason.

[Banedon]

If they release him, he could easily make more in an uncapped offseason.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but then why wouldn't someone trade for him at the cheaper price?

[jersey cubs fan]

If they release him, he could easily make more in an uncapped offseason.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but then why wouldn't someone trade for him at the cheaper price?

 

I'm not saying he would, just that he could. And it's yet to be determined if he will be traded or not.

 

I still say a release is a bad idea.

[UMFan83]

The article in the Trib claims that it was either Brown or Harris that had to go because the Bears were committing too much money at one position after signing Peppers. I don't know what to think of that. It bothers me a bit that the Bears, in an uncapped year, made this big splash signing this big name DE that drew high praise from Bears fans, and quieted the people who have called them cheap over the years. Now that the excitement has won out, it's revlealed that they don't need Brown's salary on the books anymore. I don't really know what I'm talking about regarding the Bears salary situation, other than I know the Bears have usually been relatively cheap compaired to their market size, and that it's an uncapped year, but I don't see where money is a problem.for this organization. For one year I would have liked them to take advantage of the uncapped year and give the team some depth. Sure Israel might provide 90% of what Brown does, but what happens is Idonije gets hurt? Stuff like that just bothers me about the org.

[Banedon]

There is a buzz around the league that Bears general manager Jerry Angelo might consider doing something he only has done once previously in his regime: trade up in the draft.

 

The Bears are in need of a safety and when coach Lovie Smith appeared at the South Florida pro day Tuesday, speculation immediately was fueled that he was there to get a close look at the Bulls' Nate Allen. Smith doesn't hit the road often in the spring looking at draft prospects and when he does, the Bears aren't sending up smoke signals.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/bears-angelo-might-move-up-to-draft-safety.html

[Guest]

There is a buzz around the league that Bears general manager Jerry Angelo might consider doing something he only has done once previously in his regime: trade up in the draft.

 

The Bears are in need of a safety and when coach Lovie Smith appeared at the South Florida pro day Tuesday, speculation immediately was fueled that he was there to get a close look at the Bulls' Nate Allen. Smith doesn't hit the road often in the spring looking at draft prospects and when he does, the Bears aren't sending up smoke signals.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/bears-angelo-might-move-up-to-draft-safety.html

 

Where is Nate Allen projected to be drafted?

[UMFan83]

There is a buzz around the league that Bears general manager Jerry Angelo might consider doing something he only has done once previously in his regime: trade up in the draft.

 

The Bears are in need of a safety and when coach Lovie Smith appeared at the South Florida pro day Tuesday, speculation immediately was fueled that he was there to get a close look at the Bulls' Nate Allen. Smith doesn't hit the road often in the spring looking at draft prospects and when he does, the Bears aren't sending up smoke signals.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/bears-angelo-might-move-up-to-draft-safety.html

 

Where is Nate Allen projected to be drafted?

 

This is only a blog write-up but it's pretty comprehensve about him:

 

http://www.voodoofive.com/2010/03/02/2010-nfl-draft-profiles-nate-allen-fs/

 

Nate Allen is the least risky of the Bulls' three potential high draft picks. He might even be a little underrated at this point. Whoever takes Allen, likely in the early to mid-second round, is going to get a solid NFL player who they won't have to worry much about. Put him on a team that doesn't hang its secondary out to dry and he'll be even better.

[rawaction]

FWIW, Nate Allen is my favorite prospect in this draft, that could reasonably be drafted by the Bears (reasonable trade to move up into 2nd).

 

He's the purest FS in the draft to me. And that includes Berry and Thomas who can be elite FS based on their athletic ability and amazing set of skills, but I don't consider them "pure" FS because they can play anywhere in the defensive backfield. He actually reminds me of Darren Sharper. He's smart (team captain that set the defense at USF), always in the right position, not a huge hitter that will scare WRs from going across the middle, but a classic CF that will create turnovers and make a sound tackle as the last line of defense.

[rawaction]

I have a new Bears mock draft.

 

3rd- Lamarr Houston, DT Texas.

4th- Marshall Newhouse, OG TCU or Zane Beadles, OG Utah

5th- Robert Johnson, FS Utah

6th- Nolan Carroll, CB Maryland

7th- Keenan Clayton, LB Oklahoma

 

 

Notes:

-I hope Houston is there at #75. I've seen mocks w/ him going right before the Bears pick and right after. Had a really good pro day, so may slide into the 2nd round. There are plenty of teams that need DT help, but there may be 8 or 9 off the board before him. I know the Bears have Harris, Harrison, and Adams; and Gilbert and Melton are moving inside, but Houston will push all of these guys to perform or 1 will be off the roster or moved back to DE.

 

-Newhouse and Beadles are interchangeable to me. Both were 3 year starters. Newhouse is more athletic, Beadles a little bigger/taller.

 

-Johnson had a very good college career, but is this low because he's kinda tall and lanky and has questions about his strength. But is a classic CF (13 INTs in 3 years) who showed up big-time against top competition (at least 6 of his INTs against ranked teams).

 

-Carroll is a big CB who was due for a breakout year, but broke his leg in the 2nd game. Bears don't shy away from injury risks, especially late in the draft if they can run this fast. Ran a sub 4.4 by some stopwatches, stands at 6'1", 202.

 

-Clayton is another workout warrior that is one of the most athletic LBs in the draft. Former SS, who bulked up to play LB so still a work in progress at the position. Special teams guy that may have a future on the weak side and in the nickel D.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

According to the Bears' facebook page, Brown has been released.

 

Edit: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6658

Edited April 1, 2010 by Hairyducked Idiot

[jersey cubs fan]

According to the Bears' facebook page, Brown has been released.

 

I really don't like this. I was hoping the Peppers signing would help the defense take a step forward, but if all he is is a replacement for Ogunleye, Brown and Gaines, I really don't think they are better.

[Banedon]

According to the Bears' facebook page, Brown has been released.

 

I really don't like this. I was hoping the Peppers signing would help the defense take a step forward, but if all he is is a replacement for Ogunleye, Brown and Gaines, I really don't think they are better.

 

I'm still hoping that Peppers helps Harris out, but yeah...releasing him was dumb.

[Guest]

According to the Bears' facebook page, Brown has been released.

 

I really don't like this. I was hoping the Peppers signing would help the defense take a step forward, but if all he is is a replacement for Ogunleye, Brown and Gaines, I really don't think they are better.

Well, he's a far better player than any of those guys, so that gives them the strong possibility of being better on the line. All depends on how they replace the depth.

[jersey cubs fan]

According to the Bears' facebook page, Brown has been released.

 

I really don't like this. I was hoping the Peppers signing would help the defense take a step forward, but if all he is is a replacement for Ogunleye, Brown and Gaines, I really don't think they are better.

Well, he's a far better player than any of those guys, so that gives them the strong possibility of being better on the line. All depends on how they replace the depth.

 

Replacing Ogunleye with Peppers gives them a strong possibility of being better on the line as a whole, replacing Ogunleye and Brown with Peppers gives them less of an improvement. And this was a bad line overall for three years. The best lines have multiple threats, the Bears have one.