Re: Bears Offseason Thread

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did we trade for the new orleans saints yet

[YearofDaCubs]

Bates will be following Carroll to the Seahawks.

 

 

Looks like Martz it is.

[Soul]

So, what's best for this franchise is apparently to let Lovie hire a couple more buddies. LOL.

 

Look at the teams that played this weekend. In what way, shape, or form do the Bears resemble these playoff teams? And those are the lower-tier playoff teams, too.

 

Seriously, this is becoming Wirtz bad.

[Banedon]

More Perry Fewell news:

 

Former Buffalo Bills interim head coach Perry Fewell is likely to become the Chicago Bears new defensive coordinator this week, an NFL source told ESPN Insider Adam Schefter.

Fewell is scheduled to meet with Bears officials, including head coach Lovie Smith, on Monday. But a source said Fewell has decided to accept the job.

 

Every time I read that guys name, in my mind, I pronounce it like Perry Ferrell, but in an Elmer Fudd voice.

 

But yeah, Brad Biggs said on the radio this morning that Fewell is likely going to be the DC...and that given that Lovie won't change schemes, that Fewell is probably the right guy for the job.

[dew1679666265]

More Perry Fewell news:

 

Former Buffalo Bills interim head coach Perry Fewell is likely to become the Chicago Bears new defensive coordinator this week, an NFL source told ESPN Insider Adam Schefter.

Fewell is scheduled to meet with Bears officials, including head coach Lovie Smith, on Monday. But a source said Fewell has decided to accept the job.

 

Every time I read that guys name, in my mind, I pronounce it like Perry Ferrell, but in an Elmer Fudd voice.

 

But yeah, Brad Biggs said on the radio this morning that Fewell is likely going to be the DC...and that given that Lovie won't change schemes, that Fewell is probably the right guy for the job.

 

I definitely think Fewell is the best hire since the Cover 2 scheme isn't changing. The defensive speed is going to have to be improved if the defense is going to make big strides, though. For the Cover 2 to work well, the D-line has to get pressure without much, if any, blitzing. I haven't seen the current Bears players doing that.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I want nothing to do with Mike Martz as the O-Coordinator.

 

ESPN has Jedd Fisch and Bill Musgrave as other candidates for the opening.

[jersey cubs fan]

I want nothing to do with Mike Martz as the O-Coordinator.

 

I don't know who I want, but I have zero faith in them finding the right guy.

[Soul]

I want nothing to do with Mike Martz as the O-Coordinator.

 

I don't know who I want, but I have zero faith in them finding the right guy.

 

If I was a betting man, I'd lay pretty good money they don't solve much of anything this offseason.

[jersey cubs fan]

If I was a betting man, I'd lay pretty good money they don't solve much of anything this offseason.

 

I read a David Haugh article this weekend and was disappointed in his statement that what should matter most is stability, and that somehow Bates could not provide that while Martz could. His theory was apparently something about how Martz being a "known quantity" equates to stability. First off, the notion that what they need most is stability is wrong, stability has resulted in nothing but mediocrity and failure for three years, and they already have plenty of stability since the vast majority of the people in power with the Bears are still in power. This team isn't desperate for stability, they are desperate for new blood and change.

 

I'm not a strong Martz advocate as I see him as somebody who would be pushed out the door with Lovie when the inevitable axe comes falling on all of them, and I see them having to go with another new system for Cutler. However, if they do go with Martz, it wouldn't necessarily mean they have to let him go with Lovie. Plenty of coaches have found a good deal of success in their 2nd stint after being viewed as a failure. Martz is "only" 58 and his record in STL matches up well with other 2nd chance guys like Coughlin, Belichick and Dungy. He could be sold as an experienced "name" head coach if he is Lovie's replacement, and if he is hired, I think I'd prefer he be given that chance, instead of starting over again with what would be a 28 year old Cutler.

 

The goal with this hiring should be somebody who can be here longterm.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm OK with Fewell as DC. I like all of you have no clue as to who would be the right hire for the Bears. My top two candidates were Weis and Bates and now they are both gone. I seriously doubt the Packers will allow us to interview their QB coach so that leaves some very unappealing options available to us.

[Soul]

If I was a betting man, I'd lay pretty good money they don't solve much of anything this offseason.

 

I read a David Haugh article this weekend and was disappointed in his statement that what should matter most is stability, and that somehow Bates could not provide that while Martz could. His theory was apparently something about how Martz being a "known quantity" equates to stability. First off, the notion that what they need most is stability is wrong, stability has resulted in nothing but mediocrity and failure for three years, and they already have plenty of stability since the vast majority of the people in power with the Bears are still in power. This team isn't desperate for stability, they are desperate for new blood and change.

 

I'm not a strong Martz advocate as I see him as somebody who would be pushed out the door with Lovie when the inevitable axe comes falling on all of them, and I see them having to go with another new system for Cutler. However, if they do go with Martz, it wouldn't necessarily mean they have to let him go with Lovie. Plenty of coaches have found a good deal of success in their 2nd stint after being viewed as a failure. Martz is "only" 58 and his record in STL matches up well with other 2nd chance guys like Coughlin, Belichick and Dungy. He could be sold as an experienced "name" head coach if he is Lovie's replacement, and if he is hired, I think I'd prefer he be given that chance, instead of starting over again with what would be a 28 year old Cutler.

 

The goal with this hiring should be somebody who can be here longterm.

 

Yeah, it should be obvious: stablility is important when there's success. But stability of mediocrity is never a good thing. I'm not sure why Haugh wouldn't see that.

 

The problem I see with Martz being a longterm solution is that he's tied to Lovie now (if hired). If Angelo goes, then Lovie goes, then the new GM isn't likely to want to be told who he has to hire. He'd probably want to go in his own direction.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, it should be obvious: stablility is important when there's success. But stability of mediocrity is never a good thing. I'm not sure why Haugh wouldn't see that.

 

The problem I see with Martz being a longterm solution is that he's tied to Lovie now (if hired). If Angelo goes, then Lovie goes, then the new GM isn't likely to want to be told who he has to hire. He'd probably want to go in his own direction.

 

That is my fear as well. Martz can stand on his own post-Lovie, but a new GM might not want him to. The other thing to consider is Angelo is signed for a few years longer than Lovie, he could conceivably return in 2011, assuming offensive improvements but continued defensive failures that lead to Lovie's dismissal. He probably should be canned as well, but that scenario could be sold to the public as "defense is Lovie's thing, it failed, Angelo got Cutler and hired a quality offensive coach and that is working, give him a chance to make it work that way with a new defensive system".

[Magnetic Curses]

i admittedly don't know anything about buffalo or what kind of cover-2 they run. however, jauron didn't run the "tampa-2", he ran a avriation of the cover-2 that emphasized run-stuffing with road-graders up front.

 

i'm sure that nothing will change in regards to the defense, though.

[Soul]

i admittedly don't know anything about buffalo or what kind of cover-2 they run. however, jauron didn't run the "tampa-2", he ran a avriation of the cover-2 that emphasized run-stuffing with road-graders up front.

 

i'm sure that nothing will change in regards to the defense, though.

 

My impression is that Fewell will run Lovie's D, almost as a condition of employment.

[dew1679666265]

i admittedly don't know anything about buffalo or what kind of cover-2 they run. however, jauron didn't run the "tampa-2", he ran a avriation of the cover-2 that emphasized run-stuffing with road-graders up front.

 

i'm sure that nothing will change in regards to the defense, though.

 

Buffalo took a lot of what the Colts did under Dungy and implemented it. Smaller, fast players across the LBs and secondary, but their D-linemen are actually bigger than the Colts' linemen. My understanding is that very few teams actually run the "Tampa-2" that started with Monte Kiffin (he doesn't even refer to it as that) and instead run the Cover-2 with some slight variations.

[UK1679666180]

As far as offensive coordinators, the main asset is obviously Cutler and whomever the next OC will be should have their primary skill be their ability to work with QBs.

 

Jim Fassel is supposed one of the best in the business as far as his ability to develop the QB and has a solid track record as far as OC. I iwsh he would more of look than what he's received.

[Tyrant]

The thing that worries me about Martz is that his offenses have almost always led or been near the top of the league in sacks. Protecting the quarterback doesn't seem all that important for him.

[dew1679666265]

As far as offensive coordinators, the main asset is obviously Cutler and whomever the next OC will be should have their primary skill be their ability to work with QBs.

 

Jim Fassel is supposed one of the best in the business as far as his ability to develop the QB and has a solid track record as far as OC. I iwsh he would more of look than what he's received.

 

Fassel's been a really good OC from everything I've heard. He wouldn't be a "sexy" hire, but I think he could be solid.

[soapy]

As far as offensive coordinators, the main asset is obviously Cutler and whomever the next OC will be should have their primary skill be their ability to work with QBs.

 

Jim Fassel is supposed one of the best in the business as far as his ability to develop the QB and has a solid track record as far as OC. I iwsh he would more of look than what he's received.

 

Hm...Fassel is a pretty interesting name I hadn't thought of.

[UK1679666180]

He won "Coach of the Year" in the UFL last year with a 4-2 record, what more do you need?

[jersey cubs fan]

Jim Fassel is supposed one of the best in the business as far as his ability to develop the QB and has a solid track record as far as OC. I iwsh he would more of look than what he's received.

 

I question that reputation. He worked with John Elway in college 30 years ago, and got a couple decent seasons out of Kerry Collins in NY, but is that really impressive? He was in Denver after Elway was already an established star, and before they enjoyed the Shanahan years of success. He spent an unimpressive season in Arizona, another unimpressive year in Oakland and most recently a couple of really bad years with Baltimore. He's got a reputation, but what is it based on? His first coaching gig as an assistant during Elway's college years?

[UK1679666180]

I also agree with the Daily Herald today as far as looking at current Packers QB coach Tom Clements for the OC position. Also, I wonder if Jim Harbaugh would be qualified for this position?

[mul21]

I also agree with the Daily Herald today as far as looking at current Packers QB coach Tom Clements for the OC position. Also, I wonder if Jim Harbaugh would be qualified for this position?

 

I don't think you'll see him take any job other than a HC position if/when he jumps to the NFL.

[ConstableRabbit]

The thing that worries me about Martz is that his offenses have almost always led or been near the top of the league in sacks. Protecting the quarterback doesn't seem all that important for him.

That's true, but who has he had at QB? Warner, Bulger? Both pocket passers and less mobile than Cutler.

 

My bigger concern is whether he can get Cutler out of the pocket and/or running some bootlegs to his right. That's where he's at his best and Turner didn't utilize that strength.

[rawaction]

The thing that worries me about Martz is that his offenses have almost always led or been near the top of the league in sacks. Protecting the quarterback doesn't seem all that important for him.

That's true, but who has he had at QB? Warner, Bulger? Both pocket passers and less mobile than Cutler.

 

My bigger concern is whether he can get Cutler out of the pocket and/or running some bootlegs to his right. That's where he's at his best and Turner didn't utilize that strength.

 

Even more troubling if he didn't do his best to get the statues the protection they needed.