Blue Jays contact Cubs about Halladay

[erik316wttn]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

 

I'm pretty darn sure that isn't enough to get Roy Halladay.

 

That isn't enough to get Roy Halladay's spikes.

[Derwood]

a) no one is going to give up 5 prospects for Halladay and b) Toronto probably wants an ML ready player or two in the deal. I'd think you'd have to start with guys like Marmol and Soto, and even then...

[Schwarber Fan]

a) no one is going to give up 5 prospects for Halladay and b) Toronto probably wants an ML ready player or two in the deal. I'd think you'd have to start with guys like Marmol and Soto, and even then...

 

As asinine as that trade proposal is, you can't say Randy Wells and Jake Fox aren't "ML ready"

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think if we really wanted Halladay and refused to part with Castro or Cashner, a package would look something like:

 

Josh Vitters

1 of Marshall, Gorzo, Samardzjia-assuming hed accept a trade to the Great White North

1 of Jay Jax Archer, Coleman, Dolis, Carpenter, Huseby

1 of Flaherty, Burke, Castilo, Watkins, HJ Lee,

something like Colvin, Fontenot, Fox, or Hoffpauir, as a throw in or as an alternative, either Bradley+cash or Bradley to TB for Burrell and send Pat the Bat to Toronto.

 

Wed probably end up with some kind of throw in in the deal as well. yeah, its giving up a lot, but if we really want him, he wont come cheap, especially if were not giving up Castro or Cashner

[Tim M]

I think if we really wanted Halladay and refused to part with Castro or Cashner, a package would look something like:

 

Josh Vitters

1 of Marshall, Gorzo, Samardzjia-assuming hed accept a trade to the Great White North

1 of Jay Jax Archer, Coleman, Dolis, Carpenter, Huseby

1 of Flaherty, Burke, Castilo, Watkins, HJ Lee,

something like Colvin, Fontenot, Fox, or Hoffpauir, as a throw in or as an alternative, either Bradley+cash or Bradley to TB for Burrell and send Pat the Bat to Toronto.

 

Wed probably end up with some kind of throw in in the deal as well. yeah, its giving up a lot, but if we really want him, he wont come cheap, especially if were not giving up Castro or Cashner

 

I'm trying to decide if Vitters, Jackson, Lee, Marshall is better than the package Cleveland got for Lee. I think Toronto would want someone like Soto or Marmol to be the headliner. Maybe Marmol, Vitters, Jackson, Lee?

[Guest]

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here. Ricketts already got his "splash" with John Grabow. Because of that signing, there isn't enough money left to get Roy Halladay. Much like the vault was closed on Jake Peavy last year, Aaron Miles was the must have of last year's offseason.

 

The All Star team of players the Cubs could have had during the Hendry tenure in comparison to the team he currently has is amazing and hilarious in a needle in the eye sort of way.

[Guest]

In all seriousness, I would pounce at the opportunity to get Halladay if he was willing to sign an extension. You will probably get a fraction of Bradley's contract off the books over the next two years. Lilly's contract will be gone after this year. Lee probably won't be back. At least I doubt that I would bring either of them back. That's over 25m saved after this year. Fukudome only has 2 years left on his deal, so in a few years, the pinch won't be nearly as bad. At the same time, the window is closing quickly. Halladay is a true impact player who can turn a mediocre team into a really good team.

 

Look what Lincecum in San Francisco can do with a horrible offense.

[Backtobanks]

a) no one is going to give up 5 prospects for Halladay and b) Toronto probably wants an ML ready player or two in the deal. I'd think you'd have to start with guys like Marmol and Soto, and even then...

 

 

I hope you meant "or" not "and". Marmol might be replaceable, but we don't want to create a gigantic hole at catcher.

[davearm2]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

 

I'm pretty darn sure that isn't enough to get Roy Halladay.

 

That isn't enough to get Roy Halladay's spikes.

A package about like that got Johan Santana, FWIW. A light-hitting defensive whiz CF (Carlos Gomez) plus three pitching prospects that came with mixed reviews, IIRC.

[davearm2]

In all seriousness, I would pounce at the opportunity to get Halladay if he was willing to sign an extension. You will probably get a fraction of Bradley's contract off the books over the next two years. Lilly's contract will be gone after this year. Lee probably won't be back. At least I doubt that I would bring either of them back. That's over 25m saved after this year. Fukudome only has 2 years left on his deal, so in a few years, the pinch won't be nearly as bad. At the same time, the window is closing quickly. Halladay is a true impact player who can turn a mediocre team into a really good team.

 

Look what Lincecum in San Francisco can do with a horrible offense.

I'd almost rather have Halladay for one year than for one year, plus another 6-7 @ $100M+ (ballpark).

[ConstableRabbit]

Can't wait for my "The Doc Is In!" sign on opening day!

[Rob]

When evaluating Halladay's trade value, there are a few key points to remember.

 

1) The potential return has to be better than the two high draft picks that Toronto would likely receive after the season.

 

2) Our package must be better than any competitor's package.

 

Santana was had for a "meh" handful of prospects, but that's in large part because nobody was bidding on him. We're gonna have to wait and see what the rumors floating around from other teams are before we can decide whether the package is likely to require Castro and Cashner as the starting point, or whether it might only require something like Vitters and Carpenter plus a few minor pieces.

[SouthSideRyan]

When evaluating Halladay's trade value, there are a few key points to remember.

 

1) The potential return has to be better than the two high draft picks that Toronto would likely receive after the season.

 

2) Our package must be better than any competitor's package.

 

Santana was had for a "meh" handful of prospects, but that's in large part because nobody was bidding on him. We're gonna have to wait and see what the rumors floating around from other teams are before we can decide whether the package is likely to require Castro and Cashner as the starting point, or whether it might only require something like Vitters and Carpenter plus a few minor pieces.

 

Our best chance is if Halladay limits the teams he can be traded to like Santana did.

[USSoccer]

When evaluating Halladay's trade value, there are a few key points to remember.

 

1) The potential return has to be better than the two high draft picks that Toronto would likely receive after the season.

 

2) Our package must be better than any competitor's package.

 

Santana was had for a "meh" handful of prospects, but that's in large part because nobody was bidding on him. We're gonna have to wait and see what the rumors floating around from other teams are before we can decide whether the package is likely to require Castro and Cashner as the starting point, or whether it might only require something like Vitters and Carpenter plus a few minor pieces.

 

Our best chance is if Halladay limits the teams he can be traded to like Santana did.

 

Didn't he have some sort of list last summer when the Jays shopped him around? Like Philly, St Louis, Chicago?

[Serge]

In all seriousness, I would pounce at the opportunity to get Halladay if he was willing to sign an extension. You will probably get a fraction of Bradley's contract off the books over the next two years. Lilly's contract will be gone after this year. Lee probably won't be back. At least I doubt that I would bring either of them back. That's over 25m saved after this year. Fukudome only has 2 years left on his deal, so in a few years, the pinch won't be nearly as bad. At the same time, the window is closing quickly. Halladay is a true impact player who can turn a mediocre team into a really good team.

 

Look what Lincecum in San Francisco can do with a horrible offense.

I'd almost rather have Halladay for one year than for one year, plus another 6-7 @ $100M+ (ballpark).

 

Agreed, humongous contracts for pitchers are bad news. The risk of them getting hurt or just having hteir production fall off the table is too great. Particularly considering Halladay will be 33 next season.

[Clem Fandango]

When evaluating Halladay's trade value, there are a few key points to remember.

 

1) The potential return has to be better than the two high draft picks that Toronto would likely receive after the season.

 

2) Our package must be better than any competitor's package.

 

Santana was had for a "meh" handful of prospects, but that's in large part because nobody was bidding on him. We're gonna have to wait and see what the rumors floating around from other teams are before we can decide whether the package is likely to require Castro and Cashner as the starting point, or whether it might only require something like Vitters and Carpenter plus a few minor pieces.

 

Our best chance is if Halladay limits the teams he can be traded to like Santana did.

 

Didn't he have some sort of list last summer when the Jays shopped him around? Like Philly, St Louis, Chicago?

 

I seem to remember something like that... probably a list that featured only contenders (as one would imagine). Also with Santana, IIRC, he would only waive his NTC if the team he approved a trade to extended his contract. That also hurt his trade value.

[davell]

The real question here is whether or not Hendry can go to Ricketts and "sell" this type of acquisition to where Ricketts is flexible with the payroll. Thye following year Lilly's contract will fall off the books and it'd certainly seem like we'd rather have Halladay than Lilly going forward, since he's a true number 1 and it's not like there's many of them out there.

 

My guess is Hendry will have to overcome the fact that right now it doesn't appear as if we are literally one player away though. But, if Soriano and Soto can have years like they have previously and we stay relatively healthy, maybe Hendry can persuade Ricketts into something. Because other than moving Bradley and getting his replacement in place, this is most likely going to be a very boring offseason otherwise......

[Derwood]

a) no one is going to give up 5 prospects for Halladay and b) Toronto probably wants an ML ready player or two in the deal. I'd think you'd have to start with guys like Marmol and Soto, and even then...

 

 

I hope you meant "or" not "and". Marmol might be replaceable, but we don't want to create a gigantic hole at catcher.

 

I'm guessing what Toronto would ask for, not saying what I would give up

[Mugged By Fluffy]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

Right, but that's Harden. Harden is not Halladay. Take his injury history out of it and there's still no comparison. If I'm Tom Ricketts and this comes across my desk, I'm not dismissing it out of hand just because of the price tag.

 

And as far as the other players, I might be willing to put up with Sam Fuld in CF if it allows me to have Doc Halladay at the top of the rotation. His acquisition alone should lock up the Central Division crown. And if they're in first place come the deadline, players can be gotten for the stretch run. Once you get into the playoffs, other teams are looking at quite the rotation. And, you know, it's been a while since...well, I don't really need to say it, do I?

 

I understand all the arguments against and they're valid, but you've got to at least see this thing through...

 

The Harden thing was just an example. The point is, all indications so far have been that they have much less than 16 million to spend on next season. I don't really think it matters how good he is or how bad Hendry might want him.

 

BTW, I wouldn't say adding Halladay locks up anything. The offense and bullpen would be highly questionable going into next season.

Look, if the money's not there to spend then discussion over, but if it's a matter of value and spending wisely, the Doc is worth the money. I couldn't think of a better way to introduce yourself as the new owner of the Cubs than by landing Roy Halladay.

 

I'd rather look at some of the bigger weaknesses on the team than starting pitching, but obviously I would love to see a player of Halladay's caliber in Cubbie Blue.

 

Same here. Instead of wondering about Halladay the Cubs most seriously need to be looking at Granderson.

[Guest]

I heard/saw on SportCenter this morning that Roy has given the Jays until the start of ST to trade him. Then he'll reject any offer.

 

This changes the power equation greatly. I wonder if the Cubs have the balls to go out and get him, or at least make a good offer. They should look to give up a similar package to what the Mets gave up for Santana.

[Soul]

I heard/saw on SportCenter this morning that Roy has given the Jays until the start of ST to trade him. Then he'll reject any offer.

 

This changes the power equation greatly. I wonder if the Cubs have the balls to go out and get him, or at least make a good offer. They should look to give up a similar package to what the Mets gave up for Santana.

 

Should they? I was just starting to buy into the notion that we should largely sit tight this offseason.

[Pushfrog98]

any chance we could trade Zambrano for the parts to get Halladay? I'd much rather have Halladay as the ace over Zambrano, even if he is older.

[Roast]

I heard/saw on SportCenter this morning that Roy has given the Jays until the start of ST to trade him. Then he'll reject any offer.

 

This changes the power equation greatly. I wonder if the Cubs have the balls to go out and get him, or at least make a good offer. They should look to give up a similar package to what the Mets gave up for Santana.

 

Should they? I was just starting to buy into the notion that we should largely sit tight this offseason.

Yes yes yes. I'm with UMF on this one, when you have the opportunity to go out and get one of the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball, you give it everything you've got. In listening to interviews w/ Rickets, I'm pretty sure I've heard him directly say that he's not looking to add a ton of payroll, but if an opportunity comes along to greatly improve the team it's "something you have to look at," or something along those lines.

 

Also, commenting on the "but our pitching wasn't the problem" argument: I generally agree. However how much trust do you put in Randy Wells to repeat last year? Will Harden be back, if he is will he be healthy? Z is becoming an increasing injury risk every year it seems, and even if he is healthy he still hasn't been able to put together a complete season where he's the ace we know he can be on any given day.

[Roast]

any chance we could trade Zambrano for the parts to get Halladay? I'd much rather have Halladay as the ace over Zambrano, even if he is older.

Halladay is clearly the better pitcher, but we don't need to do this. We have plenty of prospects, that's not the problem.

[jersey cubs fan]

any chance we could trade Zambrano for the parts to get Halladay? I'd much rather have Halladay as the ace over Zambrano, even if he is older.

Halladay is clearly the better pitcher, but we don't need to do this. We have plenty of prospects, that's not the problem.

 

We may have the prospects, but we also need them. This team will need an influx of young talent to makeup for the inevitable decline and departure of the core of this team, which is already too old. If you can keep your overall prospect balance constant, or near constant, while upgrading your veteran pitching situation, that would be pretty nice.